Blues Game (4 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

Sunderland are bigger than every Championship club apart from Leeds I would say

I think Sheffield Wednesday push them close.... Historically that is

It's also hard to discount forests 2 European Cup successes, well also the fact they've won more major honours

 

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[SlowerThanPlatt]

I think Sheffield Wednesday push them close.... Historically that is

It's also hard to discount forests 2 European Cup successes

Sheffield Wednesday not for me. Big club yes but not bigger than Sunderland. They last got 30k avg in 1968. Even we have a 30k avg more recently than them in 1970

 

[Evo1883]

Sheffield Wednesday not for me. Big club yes but not bigger than Sunderland. They last got 30k avg in 1968. Even we have a 30k avg more recently than them in 1970

On attendances over the last 30 years or so yes I agree Sunderland are bigger than all the clubs outside the Premier league..

Just a bit more to it IMO than attendances.

Either way, big club don't really belong at this level tbh

 

[Londonccfcfan]

We're no different to most clubs on that front. It's a total myth that our gates fluctuate massively in a way that doesn't happen elsewhere. Look at Pompey, were getting 7-10K in the second tier in the late 90s. Sunderland went from 15K in the mid 90s to 46K by the early 2000s.

Had a Bristol City fan tease me about attendances recently, yet up until about 2012 we were by bar the better supported club, in the 100 years previous they'd only managed to beat our average on a handful of occasions. These things go in cycles and we're at the bottom of the cycle.

Absolutely agree, we’re not different to most clubs when it comes to big fluctuations in attendances in time dependant on how teams do.

Newcastle late eighties early nineties still under Keegan 17 to 20k to 50k in 2000.
Chelsea’s I remember them getting 8to 10k in late eighties to 40k under Gullit.
Man City mid 90s 25k average to 50k average 10years later.

In just 10 years most these clubs average attendances more than doubled.

Chelsea’s fluctauations in attendances is just mental, going from 50k plus in history down when they had 100k stadium to 10/15k in eighties then back up 40/50 plus. Just few years later.

Reminds of all the chants back in the day.

“Where were u when you were were shit”............ I remember singing that at Stamford bridge in mid 90s.

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

Should I blame Nick for the many BCFC posts cropping up on my Facebook timeline? Cookies?

Looking forward to this one. At worst, it will be a big crowd and a chance finally this season (at home) to have some backward and forward chanting. At best, we do them 3-0 and keep this run going.

 

[Londonccfcfan]

“Where were our fans when we were shit”.....?

3years ago in league 2 we got 6k official attendance at the Ricoh vs Carlisle at home. Midweek game. I was there probably wasn’t more than 4K there.

Less than what we get at StAndrews.

 

[harvey098]

If we went back up to the championship (at the Ricoh) attendances would without doubt be greater than the last time we were in the champ.

We would be riding on success in the same way our first game back in league one last season was 3k higher than the first game of our relegation season.

(Only fair to take into account the first game of the season(s) because the rest of the attendances are effected by performance. This is about initial appetite)

 

[Tommo1993]

I love it when people think they know the attendance better than the official figure, because they think they can estimate a load of dot-sized people in a stadium.

 

[ccfcway]

I love it when people think they know the attendance better than the official figure, because they think they can estimate a load of dot-sized people in a stadium.

also they know those who have paid but not attended

 

[Londonccfcfan]

also they know those who have paid but not attended

The empty seats around you kinda gives it away.

 

[PurpleBin]

I think Sheffield Wednesday push them close.... Historically that is

It's also hard to discount forests 2 European Cup successes, well also the fact they've won more major honours

Give over. Bigger than Forest?

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

I love it when people think they know the attendance better than the official figure, because they think they can estimate a load of dot-sized people in a stadium.

Tried not to bite, but I couldn't help it!
Back at the old Highfield Road, every so often an attendance would be announced that just wasn't believable. Those who attended years ago will know what I mean.

I have had no problem with the St Andrew's attendances, until that Ipswich cup game. I'd had a wander around just prior to kick off, looking for a friend (set myself up for a joke there, hope Hill83 isn't reading) When the attendance was announced, i'll be honest, I was extremely sceptical, and was again v Bristol Rovers in the replay (albeit, I hadn't walked around the stand that evening). Not saying I knew what the attendance was, just sceptical - particularly that first game, and I wasn't alone.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I think Sheffield Wednesday push them close.... Historically that is

It's also hard to discount forests 2 European Cup successes, well also the fact they've won more major honours

Never sure where this Sheffield Wednesday thing came from, they’ve never pulled in enormous crowds and I think they’re overestimated in terms of size.

 

[pusbccfc]

Sunderland are bigger than every Championship club apart from Leeds I would say

Not too sure on this. Well supported but that's it.

Since the war they have won exactly the same amount of trophies as we have.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Absolutely agree, we’re not different to most clubs when it comes to big fluctuations in attendances in time dependant on how teams do.

Newcastle late eighties early nineties still under Keegan 17 to 20k to 50k in 2000.
Chelsea’s I remember them getting 8to 10k in late eighties to 40k under Gullit.
Man City mid 90s 25k average to 50k average 10years later.

In just 10 years most these clubs average attendances more than doubled.

Chelsea’s fluctauations in attendances is just mental, going from 50k plus in history down when they had 100k stadium to 10/15k in eighties then back up 40/50 plus. Just few years later.

Reminds of all the chants back in the day.

“Where were u when you were were shit”............ I remember singing that at Stamford bridge in mid 90s.

You’re missing the point. Within the same season their crowds would not fluctuate as much as ours would. The general rise of crowds since the 80s is not the point being made, its that with us we can wildly swing from match to match.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I love it when people think they know the attendance better than the official figure, because they think they can estimate a load of dot-sized people in a stadium.

Who does that? I never completely bought into the whole “they’re lying about the attendance” thing myself

 

[pusbccfc]

Never sure where this Sheffield Wednesday thing came from, they’ve never pulled in enormous crowds and I think they’re overestimated in terms of size.

Considering they are in a two-club city with another equally sized club, their crowds have been decent the last 40 years.

 

[PurpleBin]

Outside the PL.

Forest
Leeds
Wednesday
Coventry ; )

All bigger than Sunderland.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Considering they are in a two-club city with another equally sized club, their crowds have been decent the last 40 years.

Decent yes but not one of the monsters of the game which is a widely held opinion.

I think Derby have brilliant support- not a big place but what I’d call a proper football town, it’s in their genes. More loyal than Forest for sure. Never 50k plus or anything but always good gates.

 

[pusbccfc]

Decent yes but not one of the monsters of the game which is a widely held opinion.

I think Derby have brilliant support- not a big place but what I’d call a proper football town, it’s in their genes. More loyal than Forest for sure. Never 50k plus or anything but always good gates.

Yeah, definitely agree with Derby. Moving to their new stadium did the club wonders. It's what should have happened with us.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

No chance. Well supported but that's it.

Since the war they have won exactly the same amount of trophies as we have.

They get more in L1 than we would in the Premier League

Not sure you can just cancel out a period to suit your argument or you could say since the start of the Premier League Wigan have won more than Leeds

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Yeah, definitely agree with Derby. Moving to their new stadium did the club wonders. It's what should have happened with us.

You are dead right there. That’s the difference- the Baseball Ground was a legendary place and loud & atmospheric as hell, but they didn’t spend a decade and a half complaining, they kept behind the team, it’s what they do. I know there are big reasons why it didn’t happen with us but you know what I mean.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

I wonder how a non CCFC fan sees us as a club @Jukeblue

 

[Evo1883]

Give over. Bigger than Forest?

No I'm saying forest have won 8 major trophies including 2 European cups

Sunderland have won 7 major trophies

Sheffield Wednesday 6

 

[Ring Of Steel]

They get more in L1 than we would in the Premier League

Not sure you can just cancel out a period to suit your argument or you could say since the start of the Premier League Wigan have won more than Leeds

It’s a combination of things- Sunderland are a bad club living in the 1930s with good support. Forest are a club with much more recent success but would never pull in Sunderland’s crowds- does that make them bigger? I dunno, probably not though. We’re easily as big as teams like Brum, WBA (rarely sold out in the Prem), Brighton, Palace, Southampton (actual crowds 5k+ lower than reported) etc- there’s a CCFC shaped gap in the top league at some stage without us looking out of place.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I wonder how a non CCFC fan sees us as a club @Jukeblue

They always seem to say they think we’re bigger than we think we are. That’s what decades of failure will do for your self image. Watford said we had the best support there they’d seen in years.

 

[Evo1883]

We do have fantastic away support ... Under the circumstances it's up there with the best in the football league, I can only imagine what it would be like if we were a successful club

 

[pusbccfc]

They get more in L1 than we would in the Premier League

Not sure you can just cancel out a period to suit your argument or you could say since the start of the Premier League Wigan have won more than Leeds

Big time difference between that and the war.

 

[Evo1883]

Fun stat.

In the last 50 years Coventry have spent the most time in the top flight of all the league 1 teams

 

[Ring Of Steel]

We do have fantastic away support ... Under the circumstances it's up there with the best in the football league, I can only imagine what it would be like if we were a successful club

100%

let’s hope we find out!

 

[pusbccfc]

It’s a combination of things- Sunderland are a bad club living in the 1930s with good support. Forest are a club with much more recent success but would never pull in Sunderland’s crowds- does that make them bigger? I dunno, probably not though. We’re easily as big as teams like Brum, WBA (rarely sold out in the Prem), Brighton, Palace, Southampton (actual crowds 5k+ lower than reported) etc- there’s a CCFC shaped gap in the top league at some stage without us looking out of place.

We are definitely in that tier of Birmingham, Southampton, etc. Leicester would have sat in there too until their recent success.

 

[Evo1883]

We do have to remember Coventry up until Robins returned had only finished top 10 in any division 3 times in the previous 30 years.

That's a seriously long time to maintain supporters interest

 

[Ring Of Steel]

We are definitely in that tier of Birmingham, Southampton, etc. Leicester would have sat in there too until their recent success.

I couldn’t agree more with you there.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Strangely I think our away support now is far better than I ever recall in the top flight, plenty of sub 1k turnouts even for Saturday games

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Strangely I think our away support now is far better than I ever recall in the top flight, plenty of sub 1k turnouts even for Saturday games

Definitely. Other clubs have grown their crowds and we’re no different, it’s just that we went about it a weird way with boycotts and constant disasters, we see our growth in away support, home would catch up if the off the field stuff was sorted and we went up again.