BPA - Back On? (8 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

What have they built then? Have you been asleep the whole time they've been here and missed the car crash that CCFC have become under their stewardship? Do you not see that as a demolition job?

Did you read my question at all?

 

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[clint van damme]

Ok, so reading this thread, and after other previous myths were debunked, it seems that these are the following reasons some of our fans don't want us to move to what could potentially be a stadium we had some ownership in, back in the city center.

1) 'The ground won't be big enough for us.'
We currently have less than 10k attending our matches. Last season this averaged 12k when we were doing well, sometimes hitting 15/16k when we were top. As history shows we never really had much more than 22k at Highfield Road (in the premiership). Especially if we get relegated to League 2, a starting point of 15k is adequate. - Myth debunked.

2) 'We can't expand it.'
False. As has been said before, it is reported that there could be room for expansion up to 25k. Since we moved to the Ricoh (or in the last 10 years roughly), how many times have we had more than 25k? I bet it is less than 10 times in the last 10 years. - Myth debunked.

3) 'We are accepting we are a League 1 club.'
What league are we playing in? League 1. Which direction are we going in? League 2. Starting off in a League 1 stadium we can expand is not accepting defeat. It is living within our means so that we can build in the right direction. - Myth debunked.

4) 'We are lacking ambition.'
What, by moving back to the city, the home of Coventry? Moving back here would be a step to winning fans back who cannot be bothered to travel to the Ricoh for a start. Also, Highfield Road, a stadium of 23k in the city center was hardly doing badly when we were in the Premier League. A stadium back here that we can expand should promotion happen is planning for the future and ambitious. Renting a stadium a million miles away from anywhere, without a train station that even works properly, or any access to revenue for the next 100 years is not ambition. That's the Ricoh, the reality at the moment. - Myth debunked.

5) 'We might upset the CRFC fans.'
The introduction of Wasps has the ability to kill them and we, so why don't we become an 'us', and become a more formidable force? A bigger stadium part funded by us, and an introduction to a whole new fan base, with a link together can help boost their attendances significantly. They can earn more money, sign better players, and maybe one day even think about challenging Wasps. Ambitious maybe, but not unrealistic.There would be many (including myself) who would go along to support them and help fill the stadium out a bit more. - Myth debunked

6) 'No one likes SISU, and they shouldn't do business with them.'
No shit. Does that mean that if there is a good chance of doing something here though, we shouldn't be happy for it to go ahead? 'Getting one over on SISU' is childish and immature. If there is a chance of it happening, we should be getting behind it at all costs. - Myth debunked.

7) Highfield Road reduced capacity almost killed the club.
The best years of the club ever were at Highfield Road. The club has almost been killed as a result of a move to the Ricoh. It may even be the case that a safe standing area could be installed at BPA, which would mean more capacity, and a better atmosphere. As it stands (pardon the pun) standing is banned across England, and therefore installing a West Terrace would be illegal for now. However, with the safe standing option, the capacity and atmosphere (as already stated) could be as good, if not better, than some aspects of the original Highfield Road. - Myth debunked.

8) It's probably not going to happen, so let's just be grumpy and negative.
That's the spirit. How about if we positively get behind this, push Fisher (phone in tomorrow) and do all we can to give our support, this might just come off. We have been around long enough, why be prepared to give up now, after everything we have been through together?

PUSB.

We're

History is irrelevant. It's potential you need to look at. We're in one of the fastest growing city's in the country with a team two leagues away from the richest league in the world- a league loved by south east Asians of which there is a burgeoning local (wealthy) population.
A couple of top six finishes would have people flocking.back. Just needs someone with some money and vision to take advantage of the above.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

We're

History is irrelevant. It's potential you need to look at. We're in one of the fastest growing city's in the country with a team two leagues away from the richest league in the world- a league loved by south east Asians of which there is a burgeoning local (wealthy) population.
A couple of top six finishes would have people flocking.back. Just needs someone with some money and vision to take advantage of the above.

You're one of the people unhappy about the prospect of liquidation and starting again. You can't then take one of the only realistic ways we can move forward and shoot it down for conflicting reasons. No one with money and vision will take us over like this anyway. Our own stadium however, and success on the pitch from being financially stronger would be the way to put us in that shop window.

History is important in a way because unless some wealthy Asian does come in, you're reliant on a sleeping dragon (pun again, sorry) waking up and rekindling all the lost souls who have had enough. The Ricoh is dead, there is no future. You either scrap it and start again (you don't like that) or try and build something again from what's left with the limited resources we have. If SISU are still here, we aren't going to be buying our way to the promised land and they won't build the 50,000 seater dreampipe you're after. So it's either something like this, a project in the right direction, or a cull and start again.

Ricoh: Dead
New Massive Stadium: Unrealistic
BPA: Maybe one of the last real chances of survival

Surely you get that, right?

 

[clint van damme]

I'd like us to be more ambitious. Especially hen we have so much potential.
Of course owning are own 15000 stadium is pr ferable to the current situation and both scenarios are pure speculation until sisu fuck off.

 

[Otis]

Ok, so reading this thread, and after other previous myths were debunked, it seems that these are the following reasons some of our fans don't want us to move to what could potentially be a stadium we had some ownership in, back in the city center.

1) 'The ground won't be big enough for us.'
We currently have less than 10k attending our matches. Last season this averaged 12k when we were doing well, sometimes hitting 15/16k when we were top. As history shows we never really had much more than 22k at Highfield Road (in the premiership). Especially if we get relegated to League 2, a starting point of 15k is adequate. - Myth debunked.

2) 'We can't expand it.'
False. As has been said before, it is reported that there could be room for expansion up to 25k. Since we moved to the Ricoh (or in the last 10 years roughly), how many times have we had more than 25k? I bet it is less than 10 times in the last 10 years. - Myth debunked.

3) 'We are accepting we are a League 1 club.'
What league are we playing in? League 1. Which direction are we going in? League 2. Starting off in a League 1 stadium we can expand is not accepting defeat. It is living within our means so that we can build in the right direction. - Myth debunked.

4) 'We are lacking ambition.'
What, by moving back to the city, the home of Coventry? Moving back here would be a step to winning fans back who cannot be bothered to travel to the Ricoh for a start. Also, Highfield Road, a stadium of 23k in the city center was hardly doing badly when we were in the Premier League. A stadium back here that we can expand should promotion happen is planning for the future and ambitious. Renting a stadium a million miles away from anywhere, without a train station that even works properly, or any access to revenue for the next 100 years is not ambition. That's the Ricoh, the reality at the moment. - Myth debunked.

5) 'We might upset the CRFC fans.'
The introduction of Wasps has the ability to kill them and we, so why don't we become an 'us', and become a more formidable force? A bigger stadium part funded by us, and an introduction to a whole new fan base, with a link together can help boost their attendances significantly. They can earn more money, sign better players, and maybe one day even think about challenging Wasps. Ambitious maybe, but not unrealistic.There would be many (including myself) who would go along to support them and help fill the stadium out a bit more. - Myth debunked

6) 'No one likes SISU, and they shouldn't do business with them.'
No shit. Does that mean that if there is a good chance of doing something here though, we shouldn't be happy for it to go ahead? 'Getting one over on SISU' is childish and immature. If there is a chance of it happening, we should be getting behind it at all costs. - Myth debunked.

7) Highfield Road reduced capacity almost killed the club.
The best years of the club ever were at Highfield Road. The club has almost been killed as a result of a move to the Ricoh. It may even be the case that a safe standing area could be installed at BPA, which would mean more capacity, and a better atmosphere. As it stands (pardon the pun) standing is banned across England, and therefore installing a West Terrace would be illegal for now. However, with the safe standing option, the capacity and atmosphere (as already stated) could be as good, if not better, than some aspects of the original Highfield Road. - Myth debunked.

8) It's probably not going to happen, so let's just be grumpy and negative.
That's the spirit. How about if we positively get behind this, push Fisher (phone in tomorrow) and do all we can to give our support, this might just come off. We have been around long enough, why be prepared to give up now, after everything we have been through together?

PUSB.

Err, hang on there sunshine, with all your myth debunking!!

1. The ground won't be big enough for us.

2000/2001 - Total attendances in the Premier were 12.5m.
2015/2016 - Total attendances in the Premier were 13.8m

Attendances have been increasing.

Besides, as has been said endlessly, Coventry City have been in perpetual decline for 16 years now. It's all been a downward spiral. We can't just focus on the attendances we have been having over the past few years, we have to look as to just how healthy they could be with a successful team on the pitch.

3. We are accepting we are a League One club

I do understand this argument. In defence of it, clubs are expanding their stadiums. The trend is to increase capacity, no decrease it.

4. We are lacking ambition.

The argument here simply is that we all know if we got promoted to the Championship we would easily get 20,000 against Newcastle, Villa, Brum, Wolves, Leeds.

Playing Villa at home in 10,000-12,000 stadium would be a great shame, when we know we could probably easily double that. Plus cups too of course.

5. We might upset the CRFC fans.

Yes we might if we keep talking about 25,000 seater stadiums which they quite clearly do not want and would be far too big for them. I think it's a fair point. Whatever happens HAS to be acceptable to Cov Rugby. It's not just about waht Coventry City want.
Attendances have risen, hence pretty much every team nowadays expanding their stadiums and increasing capacity.

8. Probably not going to happen.

At the moment Sisu are in charge. Everything else is simply rumour and conjecture. What exactly HAVE Sisu built or committed to in all their time here? Nothing. Therefore 'probably not going to happen' is a very valid stance.

I do accept your arguments, but don't think that myths have been debunked.

My stance has been and still remains that we need to stop think of Coventry City - Losers and start thinking about a healthy successful club of the future and what would happen on the terraces with a Coventry City team that is winning out there on the pitch.

It's been a terminal decline for nigh on 17 years and we need to think past that and concentrate on the future.

 

[torchomatic]

I would like to know why staying at the Ricoh is the best bet for Coventry City. I've heard plenty on why we shouldn't go to the BPA but no real credible argument for staying and renting from Wasps, who let's be honest, aren't about to hand us any more revenue.

 

[albatross]

I would like to know why staying at the Ricoh is the best bet for Coventry City. I've heard plenty on why we shouldn't go to the BPA but no real credible argument for staying and renting from Wasps, who let's be honest, aren't about to hand us any more revenue.

Conversely what suggests that moving away will necessarily be the best thing for Coventry City. We have no facts or figures just TF/SISU rhetoric desire to move. Why will the CRFC holding company cut a significantly better deal than ACL? Why would they? The long and short is that CCFC will have to Rent and we have 18 months to cut a deal. All the rest is simply speculation and assumptions based on personal desire / preference not any hard facts

Apoligies Torch Got ahead of myself and made the same argument!

 

[Otis]

I would like to know why staying at the Ricoh is the best bet for Coventry City. I've heard plenty on why we shouldn't go to the BPA but no real credible argument for staying and renting from Wasps, who let's be honest, aren't about to hand us any more revenue.

I don't know if it's possible, but I think it has been suggested before, what if we secured playing at the Butts on a temporary basis, but entered into an agreement to play certain games at the Ricoh if demand was there. You know, the likes of big league games vs the Villa, Wolves,or Newcastle and then also Man U, Man City, Chelsea etc. in the cup.

Not sure how workable that would be, but it is certainly worth considering.

We play Man U in the cup, we would easily get well over 25,000 at the Ricoh.

 

[oldfiver]

Errrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm He says 25k is TOO BIG Meaning I would guess that anything bigger than 15k will be blocked by CRFC.

If that was the case then, logically , the potential does not exist
There might be a capability to get to 25k but without his agreement there is no potential

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

If that was the case then, logically , the potential does not exist
There might be a capability to get to 25k but without his agreement there is no potential

Tell that to Moff.

 

[stupot07]

In 2014/15 Walsalls turnover was £2m more (c40%) than ours despite averaging c50% of our attendances. They don't own but do 365 day per lease their ground. Staying at the Ricoh on a matchday only, little access to revenues significantly limits our revenues. We can argue the finer points, but how does staying at the Ricoh under similar deal move us forward?

I have no problem with a 15k stadium, if it is expandable, and i'd rather wait for some finer details before binning the BPA idea off this early.

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[Otis]

If that was the case then, logically , the potential does not exist
There might be a capability to get to 25k but without his agreement there is no potential

Yeah, potentially I could kill my wife. The likelihood is though it isn't going to happen.


Not this side of Christmas anyway.

 

[oldfiver]

Yawnnnnnn, Your having a laugh, it rarely sold out. I was a season ticket holder throughout, were you from Cardiff? and I can tell you even the Robbie Keane season we couldn't fill it.
Go get some facts....

And Robbie Keane was not fully an asset of CCFC either! Almost a loan player

 

[oldfiver]

Yeah, but potentially I could kill my wife, but the likelihood is it isn't going to happen.


Not this side of Christmas anyway.

I understand what you mean about Christmas
Never checked the statistics but bet they are revealing

 

[oldfiver]

In 2014/15 Walsalls turnover was £2m more (c40%) than ours despite averaging c50% attsndances. They don't own but do 365 day per lease their ground. Staying at the Ricoh on a matchday only, little access to revenues significantly limits our revenues. We can argue the finer points, but how does staying at the Ricoh under similar deal move us forward?

I have no problem with a 15k stadium, if it is expandable, and i'd rather wait for some finer details before binning the BPA idea off this early.

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Most of that comes from Car Boot sales rentals

 

[Otis]

I understand what you mean about Christmas
Never checked the statistics but bet they are revealing

Yeah, always used to bother me when I'd see all those neighbours out in their gardens on Boxing Day digging up their patios.

 

[Moff]

And Robbie Keane was not fully an asset of CCFC either! Almost a loan player

Yep the 6 million we paid and the 13 million we got back was a hell of a loan.

(Don't bother telling me about Robinson, I know the story thanks)

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Yep the 6 million we paid and the 13 million we got back was a hell of a loan.

(Don't bother telling me about Robinson, I know the story thanks)

Lmfao.. you know everything. hahaha

 

[Moff]

Lmfao.. you know everything. hahaha

More than you will ever know sweetheart hahahhahahahaha. LMFAO etc

 

[oldfiver]

Yep the 6 million we paid and the 13 million we got back was a hell of a loan.

(Don't bother telling me about Robinson, I know the story thanks)

Then you will know CCFC NEVER got £13m

 

[Moff]

Then you will know CCFC NEVER got £13m

That's why I mentioned Robinson.

 

[oldfiver]

More than you will ever know sweetheart hahahhahahahaha. LMFAO etc

He ceratinly seems to not know as much as we do lol

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

More than you will ever know sweetheart hahahhahahahaha. LMFAO etc

Yeh! of course mate... You're a legend in your own mind arf, arf, arf.

 

[Moff]

Yeh! of course mate... You're a legend in your own mind arf, arf, arf.

Likewise.

Have a day off and let us all cope without your ultimate intelligence.

 

[oldfiver]

Likewise.

Have a day off and let us all cope without your ultimate intelligence.

At least he said "in" and not that you are out of your mind!

 

[Moff]

At least he said "in" and not that you are out of your mind!

Very true

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Likewise.

Have a day off and let us all cope without your ultimate intelligence.

I can't do that Moff,bigheaded nobs like you need to be shown in b/w where thet try to squirm round posts and haven't got the bollocks to admit when wrong.

 

[chiefdave]

One minute people are on about being liquidated and starting in non league, next its 15K isn't enough!

 

[Moff]

I can't do that Moff,bigheaded nobs like you need to be shown in b/w where thet try to squirm round posts and haven't got the bollocks to admit when wrong.

Ironic from you. Got the premier League attendances at Highfield Road yet, or still droning on about 1980.

 

[torchomatic]

Ironic from you. Got the premier League attendances ta Highfield Road yet, or still droning on about 1980.

Pointless arguing with him. He's not all there.

 

[Otis]

One minute people are on about being liquidated and starting in non league, next its 15K isn't enough!

Not the same people though, is it?

Besides, if we got liquidated and started in non league we keep getting told that it is not the same club don't we?

 

[torchomatic]

So, is there a good enough reason to stay at the Ricoh? I can see Otis's point but that still involves being at the BPA for all games unless we play a big team in the cup. That hasn't happened for seven years. The Checkatrade? People seem to have given up on that. There doesn't seem to be anyone who can give a sensible reason on why we should stay. Italia? Any ideas? I know you won't let me down.

 

[robbiekeane]

You think progress will happen whilst SISU remain here? How do people even think such things when evidence is applicable to the contrary?

Did you even read my post?

Or did you just see the word "progress" and start frothing at the mouth screaming thinking it's a positive word so must be a sisu lover

Idiot

 

[Rusty Trombone]

How much do we think a redevelopment would cost, who would fund it, and what return would they want for their investment? Unless someone is freely giving the money for the redevelopment, it seems to me that the rent will be very expensive.

 

[wingy]

Rotherhams ground cost £25M a few years back
12K capacity I think.
Obviously whatever property development attached may offset some.
I do hope for CRFC's case that Mr Sharp hasn't developed Richardson syndrome.
Whoever is supplying the funds has got to be 100%nailed on otherwise he could end up in a higgs type situation,.
Delays also could be problematic.