So now a court of law has noted the "withholding of lawfully owed rent by SISU as a means of exerting pressure on ACL in commercial negotiations", ACL might want to politely ask the FL again why they sided with SISU...
That's true - but if it were established that all the companies were "associated" (in the context of the lease), then if SISU went down the administration route, we'd have a proper administration i.e. the football club would be in administration rather than "a non-trading property owning subsidiary".
Then potential buyers might have a chance of competing on a more level playing field.
Seems I might be in a minority of one, but I think some of the statements have been marvellously entertaining. Much better than the bland nonsense that normally gets pumped out!
Nice of you to admit to trying to derail the thread. Please stop, ignore me if I offend you that much.
As a serious point, it does show how bad relations have got between the parties.
Nice of you to admit to trying to derail the thread. Please stop, ignore me if I offend you that much.
But who has made them so bad. Our owners have done nothing but try and bully the City of Coventry, in the form of ACL/CCC into handing over the arena for sod all. But just like we did during WW2 we have stood firm knowing the City is better than any HF bullies.
But who has made them so bad. Our owners have done nothing but try and bully the City of Coventry, in the form of ACL/CCC into handing over the arena for sod all. But just like we did during WW2 we have stood firm knowing the City is better than any HF bullies.
NO I HAVEN'T!
Christ, seriously, given you appear determined to further this personal campaign, you really are a thick twat if you can't even be bothered to read the words I write.
stfu until you're prepared to, so just ignore me and just sod off please instead of making it personal for reasons best known to yourself.
Turning against your own! Moron.
It's idiots like you determined to get a game of one-upmanship who kill the club!
SHITZU!!!!!!!!!
I can almost hear timmy crying
Hahahaha
How many olive branches do they need to give sisu for god sake?? Sisu don't want to play at the Ricoh,end of story. Im even starting to feel that i dont want ccfc back if sisu are still in charge.
Cheers COVFAN
Short statement following this morning's Judicial Review ruling
Coventry City Football Club has noted the ruling by Mr Justice Males on the Judicial Review and will consider the decision before taking its next steps
How many olive branches do they need to give sisu for god sake?? Sisu don't want to play at the Ricoh,end of story. Im even starting to feel that i dont want ccfc back if sisu are still in charge.
And the Council have got to find £19million of Cuts this year, i don't know where the council is going to find the money because normally they have a contigency fund for this sort of event but for som reason they have'nt got one anymore
will probably decide to take legal action against the judge for inflammatory comments and daring to throw their case out ,using the Football League as key witnesses
I can hear the grass grow.
Surely the FL etc should pick up on this now and decide Sisu unfit to run the club
Man with the Golden Share.
For Joy...."The world is not enough"
goldsharer
So now a court of law has noted the "withholding of lawfully owed rent by SISU as a means of exerting pressure on ACL in commercial negotiations", ACL might want to politely ask the FL again why they sided with SISU...
Golddigger more like.
"Clubkiller, she's the one who knows how to fuck us up" to the tune of Goldfinger of course
I agree entirely.
I know that "but he started it" is generally an unproductive route to go down, but for me the approach that TF took through the negotiations was (quite literally) amazing.
It seemed to go against all common sense - until the mists cleared and (for me) it became obvious that he wasn't actually focussed on negotiating a better rent, but was actually playing a very different game.
The problem with 'he started it' is we probably do have to go back to initial deals etc and that probably isnt very productive 'for the present.
The more pertinent question now surely is not who started it, but who's going to end it?
No no they'll attack the Higgs next, they've done ACL and the Council so they would be the next logical step.
My comment was specifically about negotiating style and even more particularly about the public statements that were made - rather than the context of the overall position.
You may recall that I've said before that I thought that whilst SISU had a poor legal position, they had a strong moral position over the rent - but seemed to go out of their way to blow it!
The problem is that this negotiating style and the related issue of trust are very significant where SISU's desired end game is ownership of the Ricoh.
I really don't know if we could now (or in the short term) get to a position where the Council would have sufficient trust in SISU to sell them the stadium even if they were to make a sensible offer.
But if it's true and there were threats to keep Coventry City out of the Ricoh unless Joy got it for her price, how can you negotiate with that. For all we know she may have said she wanted it for something like £1, two gobstoppers and a bag of Scampi Fries. It seems to me that SISU appear not to have a plan B and as plan A (acquire the Ricoh on the cheap) isn't going so well they're holding the club hostage in Northampton and hoping the fans will try and force the issue with ACL.Believe it or not(!) (you might... I suspect some won't!) I can't necessarily defend their negotiating style...
However I will say that they were always going to negotiate like this once they 'got their act together'. this is what they do. George Soros said something along the lines that when a company is bust, he has to decide on fight or flight... SISU were always going to choose the former!
I would have thought even if trust is broken, there must be some way of starting a routemap towards ownership, with mutually agreed targets to hit for each party to continue the process. Their negotiation style is not unusual for beasts of SISU's ilk. 'Right'? Maybe not, but an understanding of that position allows for it to be countered, and opposing interests maintained rather than given into... or in fact playing SISU at their own game, badly.
Offer the carrot, and they might be far more likely to agree a rental deal. Ultimately if a deal could be agreed along the lines of the JR case (125 year lease seems reasonable to us all surely?) then the council still own the freehold... SISU can't knock the thing down then!
But moving forward, all sides in opposition to each other doesn't help. Trust is broken, you say? Well it certainly isn't going to be re-established if they don't talk to each other, but continue along a game of petty statement oneupmanship.
But if it's true
And we're back to statement wars again.
Better Jaw Jaw than War War.
hahaha uv got to be talkin bout fisherFookin happy days.......suck on that one you fat slimy twat
Believe it or not(!) (you might... I suspect some won't!) I can't necessarily defend their negotiating style...
However I will say that they were always going to negotiate like this once they 'got their act together'. this is what they do. George Soros said something along the lines that when a company is bust, he has to decide on fight or flight... SISU were always going to choose the former!
I would have thought even if trust is broken, there must be some way of starting a routemap towards ownership, with mutually agreed targets to hit for each party to continue the process. Their negotiation style is not unusual for beasts of SISU's ilk. 'Right'? Maybe not, but an understanding of that position allows for it to be countered, and opposing interests maintained rather than given into... or in fact playing SISU at their own game, badly.
Offer the carrot, and they might be far more likely to agree a rental deal. Ultimately if a deal could be agreed along the lines of the JR case (125 year lease seems reasonable to us all surely?) then the council still own the freehold... SISU can't knock the thing down then!
But moving forward, all sides in opposition to each other doesn't help. Trust is broken, you say? Well it certainly isn't going to be re-established if they don't talk to each other, but continue along a game of petty statement oneupmanship.
Why spend all this time and money to roll over because you lose one case ?
In a normal business world you could offer compromises or incentives to do a deal. You could offer a low rent and a guarantee made public to begin including ownership at a point in the future say 2 years build in access to income steams on an earn out and with prospect of future ownership of the lot to be acquired at fair price. Build trust and a working relationship. But you see I do not think SISU want to wait that long and to be honest everything I see is all about all or nothing. The abrasive or beligerant style, the resorts to legals etc have done damage I fear is not repairable (thats by both sides) I just dont know how with the current owners of either you come back from it.
Just do not see SISU going for the carrot and stick approach on the rent. Why spend all this time and money to roll over because you lose one case ? When the objective is ownership of everything - nothing else gets them out of the financial hole
Well personally I think too much emphasis is being placed on one case. Understandable, as it's the day it's thrown out... but come tomorrow there'll be another soap opera episode!
Yes but in all walks of life damage is always repairable, it just needs the will of both sides to do it. As I said on another post, where does the road go if not?
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