Grendel
Well-Known Member
That’s odd the last time I looked Norfolk wasn’t a benefit free zone
It's what happens now, stop getting whipped up by the media so easily.
The turkey industry needs skilled workers to slaughter and butcher turkeys. For an apparent animal lover you’re also steam rollering the fact that not a lot of people don’t want to work in an industry where they kill and butcher animals. Even amongst the people who consume the end product.That’s odd the last time I looked Norfolk wasn’t a benefit free zone
The turkey industry needs skilled workers to slaughter and butcher turkeys. For an apparent animal lover you’re also steam rollering the fact that not a lot of people don’t want to work in an industry where they kill and butcher animals. Even amongst the people who consume the end product.
Struggling?"don't want to"
Struggling?
Not at all.
I just pointed out that it's now gone to "people don't want to do it".
2 things.I’m amazed there are so many vegans in Norfolk who are claiming benefits. I’m also staggered there are so many people with fruit allergies claiming benefits in Lincoln
Clearly Boris:s (ERM) BREXIT is different to Theresa May's Brexit and exacerbating events.It’s massively bigger than elsewhere and the fact is that the one part of the UK we left in the single market (Northern Ireland) isn’t having the same issues the rest of the UK is having.
Even the backlog at the DVLA has been exacerbated by the Tories, they defunded the DVLA, they closed 32 DVLA offices. Non of that helped and this was an issue long before Covid and long before brexit and like brexit that was a political choice.
So that’s all you took from that post. Sounds like you’re selectively reading to pick an argument. What about the required skills I mention. Unless you’re also going down the route of all unemployed people in Norfolk posses the required skills and qualifications to slaughter and butcher animals.Not at all.
I just pointed out that it's now gone to "people don't want to do it".
You were never in. ill thought out lazy tropes is all you have.Jesus well I’m out
You were never in. ill thought out lazy tropes is all you have.
So that’s all you took from that post. Sounds like you’re selectively reading to pick an argument. What about the required skills I mention. Unless you’re also going down the route of all unemployed people in Norfolk posses the required skills and qualifications to slaughter and butcher animals.
You still said it though. And that led onto your second lazy trope. You don’t have to be unemployed to claim benefits. IIRC about 30% of people claiming benefits are in work.I’m amazed how quick you responded I edit it in two seconds - incredible
There’s a massive skills shortage in the meat industry. Even before the B word but the B word has exacerbated it. It’s a skill and a qualification to be a slaughterman or butcher. People don’t want to do it and who can blame them, slaughterhouse workers suffer from the very real problem of PTSD from the work they do, the industry has high rates of drug and alcohol abuse, high levels of domestic violence. It’s a shitty job that people don’t want to do and that’s the reality of it. Butchering the same. The only unskilled work in the sector is packing.Funnily enough the person I know that does recruitment sends people into slaughterhouses (or tries to). A lot of the work in them is unskilled. Obviously some of the more "hands on" jobs you need an NVQ or 2.
So people can (or could) come over from the EU and get qualified or trained but people round the corner can't?
A massive part of it is that people just don't want to.
You do know that you have to be personally licensed to slaughter animals? You can’t just walk in of the street with a machete and get a job. Butchering is a full apprenticeship.Jesus wept I’m out to get a level 3 in how to kill animals - I’m sure there’s a very long training course - actually I’m off do to a Masters in fruit picking instead
It’s also a really shitty quality to assume that people who won’t do the work you wouldn’t entertain should just because they’re unemployed.
Actually you wouldn’t. There’s a gazillion jobs you could do before you have to entertain qualifying to do a job that’s going to give you mental health issues. You’re exaggerating.How do you know what I would and wouldn't entertain though?
If I have bills to pay and responsibilities and no other options then I would.
2 things.
What’s being vegan got to with it? Plenty of meat eaters wouldn’t entertain killing the animals they eat.
Secondly, you’re also deliberately missing the main point. Are you seriously suggesting that everyone in Norfolk currently unemployed has the necessary qualifications and skills to slaughter and butcher animals?
You do know that you have to be personally licensed to slaughter animals? You can’t just walk in of the street with a machete and get a job. Butchering is a full apprenticeship.
Actually you wouldn’t. There’s a gazillion jobs you could do before you have to entertain qualifying to do a job that’s going to give you mental health issues. You’re exaggerating.
Which is a choice literally no one in the country faces so it’s nonsense.There probably is, you are right. I'd be choosing to do other things.
If it was working in an abattoir or not work at all I'd choose the work.
Which is a choice literally no one in the country faces so it’s nonsense.
You do understand that the issues can be more than one.Do they teach people from the EU butchering as standard at high school then?
What is it? Is it Brexit or is it that people just don't want to do those jobs?
If it's Brexit, how do all of the people from the EU get trained, licensed to come and butcher in the UK?
Pre brexit the meat processing industry had a skills shortage of about 10%, post brexit it’s 15%. Like I said brexit exacerbated it.So it's not down to Brexit that the Turkey Man can't hire 16 people then? It's that people don't want to do it?
It was possible to come here and start by working on the packing line and then license to work in the slaughter house if you should wish.
Which is there choice. You have no right to dictate that someone should train to do a job that A) you wouldn’t and B) will most likely give you PTSD just because they’re unemployed.Which is my point.
There is no reason why locals can't do that, as you say though they don't want to.
The drop in UK drivers is far, far bigger than EU drivers after Brexit.
I'm pretty sure while everybody is just shouting Brexit it detracts from how it can actually be resolved.
Which is there choice. You have no right to dictate that someone should train to do a job that A) you wouldn’t and B) will most likely give you PTSD just because they’re unemployed.
Do they teach people from the EU butchering as standard at high school then?
What is it? Is it Brexit or is it that people just don't want to do those jobs?
If it's Brexit, how do all of the people from the EU get trained, licensed to come and butcher in the UK?
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