Would you have pedicted its prevalence in the West 30 years ago? Every chance it will dominate in my opinion
There is a difference between increased numbers and a cohesive threat. At the moment, the numbers of Muslims are still low as a percentage. They are increasing, but they are not gaining political or economic influence to match their numbers. In Germany, where I live, they do not do as well academically as other migrants, for example Vietnamese. Because of culture, not intelligence. Many live in a parallel society - some in a clan society. Others have small businesses, for example Döner shops or green grocers. You don't see many politicians or business leaders from the Muslim community.
I think we see and hear more of "bad" Muslims than the decent people who just want to live their lives. Maybe their descendants will reach a point where they are numerically in the majority in certain districts, but I expect ( imo ) Islam in Europe to change with the generations - if only out of self interest.
The CVs of the European terrorists usually ( not always ) include a stint in jail or some form of petty criminality. Crowds of chanting screaming idiots may look frightening, but at the end of the day, will Muslims as a whole really have the balls to destroy the economy of their chosen country of residence and replace it with a warrior and small farmer/ goat herd society thus making it into a society which their forefathers left behind for good reason.
at some point, the Muslim world will have had enough, as did the Christian world in the past. In Pakistan when there were extensive floods killing huge amounts of the poorest of the poor a few years ago, it was said that Allah had punished these people for their sins. The poor don't even have enough money to do any decent sinning. The more this crap goes on, the more likely it is that Islam gets to a point where it implodes. Yes, it may be wishful thinking, but I have faith in humanity evolving - it has done so up until now - at least in our part of the world.
Couldn't disagree more. Forget the namby pamby ways, they're walking all over us whilst we let them. All this "don't rise to it, it's what they want" bollocks - I get less tolerant with each attack and it's now time to fight fire with fire. I wouldn't be against nuking the fuckers. Call me a racist, a xenephobe, a right wing daily mail reader or any other cheap insult, water off a ducks back. If we let these continue it will be too late to stop.
Won't call you anything but what you suggest is just plain wrong and will never work! Never ever work!
ghandi was right and eye for an eye leaves everyone blind or dead
What do you suggest?
Why not? All English football clubs got barred from Europe for the sake of a few individuals.Let's nuke a large part of the world due to the actions of a tiny minority- great.
That ideology what?That those who believe that ideology go and live in a Sharia society?
That ideology what?
Why not? All English football clubs got barred from Europe for the sake of a few individuals.
It's the same logic! Same as we all need to wear jackets and ties at posh restaurants.
This part of what you say is certainly true, it would only lead to further radicalization. You only have to look at the Easter Rising to see how it works.
So what do you suggest we do?Your belief in an eye for an eye. Adopting your strategy has failed in the past and has only made the situation worse.
You see I kind of stuggle with the concept that if we just sit and keep dying and taking it up the arse that eventually they will get bored. I might be wrong
Couldn't disagree more. Forget the namby pamby ways, they're walking all over us whilst we let them. All this "don't rise to it, it's what they want" bollocks - I get less tolerant with each attack and it's now time to fight fire with fire. I wouldn't be against nuking the fuckers. Call me a racist, a xenephobe, a right wing daily mail reader or any other cheap insult, water off a ducks back. If we let these continue it will be too late to stop.
So what would you suggest?
I suggest that I hope this tactic works but I have my doubts. I don't think reconciliation is on their agenda.
Could I just remind you that it was western aggression that radicalized them in the first place.
I agree but it leaves us with a dilemma and maybe the truth is we're fucked either way.
Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see them annihilated but I fear that it would not mean an end to this
Think you will find myriad starting points.Could I just remind you that it was western aggression that radicalized them in the first place.
So we are kind of asking for it. This is intetesting and I sense this feeling quite prominently at the current time almost to the point of smugness in some quarters. Its quite disturbing and I'm sure is picked up on by those higher up the organization designing these attacks
That is NOT what I said. Just that you reap what you sow and we have been led into situations that were avoidable by those in power, Mr Blair, etc. We are now, to some extent at least, seeing the consequences of those actions.
Religion definitely plays a large part, despite what anyone says.So chucking gays off buildings and stoning women to death can be blamed on western politicians, is that what you're saying?
So chucking gays off buildings and stoning women to death can be blamed on western politicians, is that what you're saying?
Religion definitely plays a large part, despite what anyone says.
Don't understand the argument that IS are not religious.
If they didn't read passages from the Quran making them believe they are going to paradise as suicide bombers, maybe they would think twice before blowing themselves up.
If they believed this life we have was it, this was the end, you wouldn't get this endless list of recruits queuing up to kill themselves.
The West have interfered for sure, but the beliefs of some of these people are thousands of years out of date.
Religion definitely plays a large part, despite what anyone says.
Don't understand the argument that IS are not religious.
If they didn't read passages from the Quran making them believe they are going to paradise as suicide bombers, maybe they would think twice before blowing themselves up.
If they believed this life we have was it, this was the end, you wouldn't get this endless list of recruits queuing up to kill themselves.
The West have interfered for sure, but the beliefs of some of these people are thousands of years out of date.
Agreed.Why now then Otis? Coincidence?
Religious beliefs can be radicalized just like political beliefs.
Oh jesus, have a word pal
So chucking gays off buildings and stoning women to death can be blamed on western politicians, is that what you're saying?
So what do you suggest we do?
Ok, I'll bite...
No of course I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that there are many, many factors that have led to the current radicalization of more Muslims than was previously the case. Of course any culture than condone's such behavior is sick but... this polarization in political and religious thinking and the very existence of IS has been contributed to by many countries and many individuals. It it not a coincidence that this is happening now.
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