The Philosopher
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Let’s have ‘em
Bidwell 6 - He's a left back not a LWB, not what we need in that position
Bidwell 6 - He's a left back not a LWB, not what we need in that position
Do you realise how daft this sou
We didn't play wing backs today. We played a flat back 4 with Dabo and Bidwell as fullbacks
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LolYou can play a flat back 4 and still have your right and left back operate as wing backs... Liverpool played a back 4 today with TAA and Robertson occupying those positions and they still operated as wingbacks
Suggest you do some reading pal
You can play a flat back 4 and still have your right and left back operate as wing backs... Liverpool played a back 4 today with TAA and Robertson occupying those positions and they still operated as wingbacks
We aren't Liverpool and we weren't set up that way. We were set up to be defensively sound.
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Suggest you do some reading pal
"While wing-backs are commonly used in 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 formations, such as those used by Antonio Conte, they can also be a feature of teams playing with a back four, in a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 for example."
What is the difference between full-back and wing-back in football? | Goal.com UK
So what exactly is the role of the wing-back and how does it differ from that of a full-back? Goal brings you all you need to know.www.goal.com
I’m not disputing that a full back can be a wing back in a 4. It’s irrelevant. It’s not how we were set up. Bidwell is the best player in the club to play as a defensive full back. And it’s exactly what we needed away at Burnley when we were playing a 4231/4411.
Wilson 6 - didn't have a great deal to do, made 1 good save
Dabo 5 - switched off for their goal and that ultimately cost us the game
Rose 8 - MOTM very solid today, has stepped up as the most senior defensive player
Doyle 6 - Has looked more shaky in the last couple of weeks
Bidwell 6 - He's a defensive left back not a LWB, not what we need in that position
Sheaf 7 - Him and Hamer generally had a solid grip of the midfield
Hamer 7 - see above
Allen 5 - Dreadful, 2 guilt edge changes, lightweight and out of his depth
Palmer 6 - Had his moments but lacks the energy that we have with O'hare in the pockets, doesn't find space in the same way, missed a sitter
Norton Cuffy 7 - Very solid performance given the little time he's had to settle, 2 balls in that were better than anything Dabo has put into the box all season
Viktor 6 - Some might see this as harsh but hes so frustrating, holds the ball up well, bullies defenders, looks a handful but he's so wasteful in possession and in front of goal, he can create something from nothing but the lad could be on 20 goals already this season if he had more composure
Robins 7 - With very limited resources I thought he got it spot on, wasn't expecting much from the game and we more than held our own. Had nothing to bring off the bench so hands were entirely tied
Disagree with Robins assessment. He got it spot on for 65-70 then failed to do anything we you could see we were on the ropes. At 65 we dropped 10 yards. Our right hand side was out on their feet. Could have brought Kelly on in the middle pushed Hamer to the right. Put Burroughs on for Dabo and Brooke to keep the energy going.Wilson 6 - didn't have a great deal to do, made 1 good save
Dabo 5 - switched off for their goal and that ultimately cost us the game
Rose 8 - MOTM very solid today, has stepped up as the most senior defensive player
Doyle 6 - Has looked more shaky in the last couple of weeks
Bidwell 6 - He's a defensive left back not a LWB, not what we need in that position
Sheaf 7 - Him and Hamer generally had a solid grip of the midfield
Hamer 7 - see above
Allen 5 - Dreadful, 2 guilt edge changes, lightweight and out of his depth
Palmer 6 - Had his moments but lacks the energy that we have with O'hare in the pockets, doesn't find space in the same way, missed a sitter
Norton Cuffy 7 - Very solid performance given the little time he's had to settle, 2 balls in that were better than anything Dabo has put into the box all season
Viktor 6 - Some might see this as harsh but hes so frustrating, holds the ball up well, bullies defenders, looks a handful but he's so wasteful in possession and in front of goal, he can create something from nothing but the lad could be on 20 goals already this season if he had more composure
Robins 7 - With very limited resources I thought he got it spot on, wasn't expecting much from the game and we more than held our own. Had nothing to bring off the bench so hands were entirely tied
I don’t doubt he probably wants more when we are in the 352 in terms of width and delivery. But to post it about Bidwell after a game when he did exactly what he needed to do and has probably been our most consistent player this season is a bid strange “pal” people are getting brainwashed watching the likes of City and Liverpool over the last few years thinking it’s easy playing wing backs with the best in the world at it. I’m afraid it doesn’t work like that for 99% of teams. Letting Bidwell and Dabo throw caution to the wind going forward and leaving Doyle and Rose at home against Zaourey, Tella, Benson, Rodriguez is suicide.It's not what we need in 99% of our games where MR clearly wants more contribution from attacking wing backs. Dabo and Bidwell have 2 assists between them all season
Good point about Gus being able to go out right.Disagree with Robins assessment. He got it spot on for 65-70 then failed to do anything we you could see we were on the ropes. At 65 we dropped 10 yards. Our right hand side was out on their feet. Could have brought Kelly on in the middle pushed Hamer to the right. Put Burroughs on for Dabo and Brooke to keep the energy going.
I don’t doubt he probably wants more when we are in the 352 in terms of width and delivery. But to post it about Bidwell after a game when he did exactly what he needed to do and has probably been our most consistent player this season is a bid strange “pal” people are getting brainwashed watching the likes of City and Liverpool over the last few years thinking it’s easy playing wing backs with the best in the world at it. I’m afraid it doesn’t work like that for 99% of teams. Letting Bidwell and Dabo throw caution to the wind going forward and leaving Doyle and Rose at home against Zaourey, Tella, Benson, Rodriguez is suicide.
Wilson 7
There is no doubt at all now that he is our best keeper after Moore’s madness this season. Today he made a couple of great saves, distribution was ok, ran out well and wound everyone up. That’s Ben Wilson.
Dabo 6
Better than of late but still some crazy craziness when it came to pass selection. Someone said he was at fault for the goal since it was his man that scored. Only seems to want to throw to Palmer.
Doyle 5
Was ok first half but then made some poor decisions. Developing so understandable but seems to miss Fadz at the back.
Rose 7
Solid display and was immense first half. Can’t remember any errors.
Bidwell 7
Decent performance.
Norton-Cuffy 5
Young. Debut. Birthday etc but doesn’t excuse the fact he had the first touch of a drunk and was lucky to stay on. Didn’t seem to be on wavelength of the team yet. Hopefully will improve.
Hamer 7
Quiet on the face of it but stayed back and covered in front of defenders. Stifled a lot of movement and hit some good balls.
Sheaf 7
Great first 60 mins then faded. Odd Sheaf brain fade but in general ok.
Palmer 6
Should have hit his shot early. Good movement but I wish he closed down a bit quicker.
Allen 4
His positioning and thought process of where to be on the pitch is good. He’s too lightweight and slow for this division. We play 1 up front and as such our attacking midfielders need to be shadow-strikers and be nearing 10 goals a season. Bottom line is he is no good at shooting and basically not good enough. Missed three decent chances - someone in that position needs to get 1 on target absolute minimum
Gyok 7
He’s à brilliant player having to play with the knowledge that the AM’s can’t score. That’s why he goes himself. Looked like he got clipped by their GK when clean through. Should have gone down. Pen and keeper maybe off.
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Waghorn 10
Thank f he’s gone.
Kane 10
Ditto.
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Typical for this forum.Disagree with Robins assessment. He got it spot on for 65-70 then failed to do anything we you could see we were on the ropes. At 65 we dropped 10 yards. Our right hand side was out on their feet. Could have brought Kelly on in the middle pushed Hamer to the right. Put Burroughs on for Dabo and Brooke to keep the energy going.
Yes some of my negativity on him comes from a whole season view rather than just today but to say Bidwell has been one of our most consistent players all season speaks to the exact point I am trying to make. Consistent at what? Consistent at being a bang average defensive left back and offering almost nothing going forwards? Over the past few years we've really benefitted from having attacking left backs - Maatsen, Mccallum etc. People giving him credit for being 'consistent' for me is consistently bang average. Who scored have given him an average of a 6.6 for games in the championship, I've given him a 6 for his performance today, not sure what the argument is.
McCallum wasn't even that attacking. He only started creating problems in the final third when he discovered his long throw.Yes some of my negativity on him comes from a whole season view rather than just today but to say Bidwell has been one of our most consistent players all season speaks to the exact point I am trying to make. Consistent at what? Consistent at being a bang average defensive left back and offering almost nothing going forwards? Over the past few years we've really benefitted from having attacking left backs - Maatsen, Mccallum etc. People giving him credit for being 'consistent' for me is consistently bang average. Who scored have given him an average of a 6.6 for games in the championship, I've given him a 6 for his performance today, not sure what the argument is.
Disagree with Robins assessment. He got it spot on for 65-70 then failed to do anything we you could see we were on the ropes. At 65 we dropped 10 yards. Our right hand side was out on their feet. Could have brought Kelly on in the middle pushed Hamer to the right. Put Burroughs on for Dabo and Brooke to keep the energy going.
Both would have added some energy. For the last 20 minutes we couldn’t get out of our half.there was no one on that bench who could really have made a difference today, and certainly not Kelly.
Both would have added some energy. For the last 20 minutes we couldn’t get out of our half.
Wow so Dado gets marked down because someone said it was his fault for the goal!Wilson 7
There is no doubt at all now that he is our best keeper after Moore’s madness this season. Today he made a couple of great saves, distribution was ok, ran out well and wound everyone up. That’s Ben Wilson.
Dabo 6
Better than of late but still some crazy craziness when it came to pass selection. Someone said he was at fault for the goal since it was his man that scored. Only seems to want to throw to Palmer.
Doyle 5
Was ok first half but then made some poor decisions. Developing so understandable but seems to miss Fadz at the back.
Rose 7
Solid display and was immense first half. Can’t remember any errors.
Bidwell 7
Decent performance.
Norton-Cuffy 5
Young. Debut. Birthday etc but doesn’t excuse the fact he had the first touch of a drunk and was lucky to stay on. Didn’t seem to be on wavelength of the team yet. Hopefully will improve.
Hamer 7
Quiet on the face of it but stayed back and covered in front of defenders. Stifled a lot of movement and hit some good balls.
Sheaf 7
Great first 60 mins then faded. Odd Sheaf brain fade but in general ok.
Palmer 6
Should have hit his shot early. Good movement but I wish he closed down a bit quicker.
Allen 4
His positioning and thought process of where to be on the pitch is good. He’s too lightweight and slow for this division. We play 1 up front and as such our attacking midfielders need to be shadow-strikers and be nearing 10 goals a season. Bottom line is he is no good at shooting and basically not good enough. Missed three decent chances - someone in that position needs to get 1 on target absolute minimum
Gyok 7
He’s à brilliant player having to play with the knowledge that the AM’s can’t score. That’s why he goes himself. Looked like he got clipped by their GK when clean through. Should have gone down. Pen and keeper maybe off.
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Waghorn 10
Thank f he’s gone.
Kane 10
Ditto.
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Yes, should be 8s.7s for Vik are ridiculous
Not really no, Dabo gets battered on here for a lack of final ball and creativity and Bidwell seems to get off free because it's not his natural skillset, it's stating a fact
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