olderskyblue
Well-Known Member
It's funny how mediation works when it leads to exactly what SISU wants....
Mediation got us back from Northampton, so mediation could ultimately ensure our future in the city. I thought we'd all welcome that. Seems not.
I would say that slagging everybody off except them as the same thing.Never apologised for them as proved by the fact you've never find a single post to prove it.
It's funny how mediation works when it leads to exactly what SISU wants....
the thing with getting everyone round the table is no one has to commit to anything, but maybe, just maybe, solutions to some of the issues can be found including dropping JR2,
the thing with getting everyone round the table is no one has to commit to anything, but maybe, just maybe, solutions to some of the issues can be found including dropping JR2,
I did in my initial post with dongo. His reply was I had said exactly the same but long winded. Clearly missing the length of his own posts recently. Also clearly missing I'd made different points and an explanation. He clearly doesn't want to engage in debate either. Just wants to regurgitate the same lines. I have replied to you above.
I would say that slagging everybody off except them as the same thing.
I think most people have forgotten the share of sale to Tesco that CCC should have paid to CCFC which they conveniently forgot and then denied they had received it.
Club at that time could have really used that money.
THAT shows that the antipathy towards the club started way before any legal proceedings.....
Wake up!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I know I do long winded posts. I was merely pointing out that nothing in your reply is any different.
Were some people hoping ACL would go bust or be distressed?
Yes
Was ACL half owned by a Childrebs Charity
Yes
Does distressing it put pressure on the charity.
Yes
Were some people ok with that as long as it was good for CCFC
Yes.
Were some people happy with a legally binding contract getting broken?
Yes as long as it was good for CCFC.
Do some want Wasps to go bust
Yes as long as it is good for CCFC.
Did some accept the club been held for ransom in another
Yes as they felt it would be good for CCFC.
Do all those same people want SISU to drop their futile legal action because it would be good for CCFC?
No, some of them think SISU's right to batter people in court is more important than what's good for CCFC.
I just find their moral compass abut skewed. Maybe they should be a bit more consistent in their approach.
As in it's all alright if it's good for CCFC even if it means SISU get shafted as well as charities, Cov fans and Wasps fans
No higgs veto though strangely.
I don't blame Wasps at all for taking the opportunity to save themselves.Is that you talking about yourselves and wasps?
I'm not sure the exact offer from the liquidator has been published (could be wrong), the rumour was that it was £2.8m, with conditions attached. I think some of these required the club and Higgs to work together on other projects. The Wasps offer was £2.77m, plus 50p for each seat sold in the newly named Higgs Stand. I can see why they accepted the Wasps offer.Charity, charity, etc. Didn't they actually get LESS money by selling to Wasps?
CCFC made an initial offer for the Higgs share of £5.5M (£1.5M cash and £4M future payments) but after due diligence they reduced it to a "charitable" offer of £2M. for Higgs share and that relied on conditions. Namely getting the loan reduced to "as little as £2M but no more than £5M". (Quote from JR1) .Charity, charity, etc. Didn't they actually get LESS money by selling to Wasps?
I don't blame Wasps at all for taking the opportunity to save themselves.
For Coventry and Warwickshire I see them as a positive. Without doubt the ratepayers and CCC certainly do. I'm certainly enjoying supporting them.
However I do understand from a CCFC fans point of view (don't forget I'm one as well) that the option of the stadium has now gone and hence the anger associated with it.
But you need to stand back and see that under Sisu and coupled with the unfortunate position we find ourselves in, we can't afford to but into the Ricoh for many years to come.
From that point of view it was the best (and only) option available to CCC.
I can see no option for CCFC other than to get the best deal they can with Wasps and just let us get back to watching football.
Who knows, once we get established again there and build back trust, the opportunity might present itself to buy back into the stadium.
I see this a serious option as Wasps move to spread the long term risk and in that respect need to give concessions to a resurgent CCFC.
Maybe.Charity, charity, etc. Didn't they actually get LESS money by selling to Wasps?
I'm not sure the exact offer from the liquidator has been published (could be wrong), the rumour was that it was £2.8m, with conditions attached. I think some of these required the club and Higgs to work together on other projects. The Wasps offer was £2.77m, plus 50p for each seat sold in the newly named Higgs Stand. I can see why they accepted the Wasps offer.
What makes you think Higgs didn't have veto rights?
Maybe.
But you where still happy to see them get nothing.
You are exactly the type of person he was describing.
I know I do long winded posts. I was merely pointing out that nothing in your reply is any different.
Were some people hoping ACL would go bust or be distressed?
Yes
Was ACL half owned by a Childrebs Charity
Yes
Does distressing it put pressure on the charity.
Yes
Were some people ok with that as long as it was good for CCFC
Yes.
Were some people happy with a legally binding contract getting broken?
Yes as long as it was good for CCFC.
Do some want Wasps to go bust
Yes as long as it is good for CCFC.
Did some accept the club been held for ransom in another
Yes as they felt it would be good for CCFC.
Do all those same people want SISU to drop their futile legal action because it would be good for CCFC?
No, some of them think SISU's right to batter people in court is more important than what's good for CCFC.
I just find their moral compass abut skewed. Maybe they should be a bit more consistent in their approach.
As in it's all alright if it's good for CCFC even if it means SISU get shafted as well as charities, Cov fans and Wasps fans
The Higgs full explanation is on their website, but my interpretation is they thought Tim's words would not come to fruition, and that if Tim did want to do all of these community things there was nothing stopping him doing it himself, he didn't need the charity to help. As he hasn't done any it would appear they were right.So the offer was more or less the same, just that the club wished to work on community projects together? Surely that's a win win for a children's charity? Children participating in the nations favourite sport meeting the local teams players. Ah, the Higgs stand offer, not many sit behind the goal in rugby do they? Nice thought, good PR. Shame the clubs conditions weren't seen as that.
It was a one horse race in the end. Now if the club hadn't breached the terms of the option agreement, then there wouldn't have even been a race. Whoever made that decision really messed up.
The formula was the maximum price for Higgs share of ACL, the club could, and did, agree a lower price. The lease was extended by the Council, not ACL. The Council were prepared to extend the lease to the club for free.The terms of the option agreement was that we paid 1.3m in rent and that we paid a formulated value price. Now it has transcended that if we had of paid the formula price we would of paid well over the odds. Seeing how Wasps got all of it for 200 years longer for the same price that we would of had paid.
Charity, charity, etc. Didn't they actually get LESS money by selling to Wasps?
No SISU offered them 2 million for something that Joy said wasn't worth anything, but she understood their position as a charity
Now the got more and get astand in their name and ongoing money from ticket sales
It was only ever from Wasps games, so no need to worry.Ironically not from CCFC matches though as that stand is always closed.
Ah, good stuff.It was only ever from Wasps games, so no need to worry.
Ironically not from CCFC matches though as that stand is always closed.
Your comprehension skills are as woeful as your defence of the council. You clearly didn't read my post. Not wasting my breath anymore.
All the above proves to me that public mediation will not work. Everyone is stuck in the past busy rewriting history with "facts" because then they can point fingers at particular parties or fellow fans.
What needs discussion is the present and future of Ccfc the rest is history or simply twisted bollocks.
How we got to where we are has been done to death and rewritten many times to suit particular agendas or bias. It doesn't provide solutions only persistent division.
Talking about and making a viable ccfc future is the only importance. Communication can take many forms, just because someone says they won't take part in mediation doesn't mean there isn't a way to move forward - it just might not be in the glare of the media.
Far too much ego and not enough quality in so many aspects of what surrounds Ccfc
So what is the plan and the commitment to that future ?
We came back once Wasps got what should have been our stadium after SISU played hardball and lost. Anyone saying anything else is either deluded or wouldn't see the truth if it smashed them in the face.Yes i would say. However SISU are here. The Council don't have to deal with them, of course, but it could mean us moving out of Coventry if they don't which why i find some of the comments here a little weird as we are all City supporters. Not your post, to clarify. Maybe the council don't 'have' to talk to City and don't want to as they have a shiny new franchise toy to crow about.
Mediation got us back from Northampton, so mediation could ultimately ensure our future in the city. I thought we'd all welcome that. Seems not.
They got more than SISU were offering and used the line that they would only give them that much because they are a charity.Charity, charity, etc. Didn't they actually get LESS money by selling to Wasps?
So why was it offered to SISU at well below the formula price but is often quoted?The terms of the option agreement was that we paid 1.3m in rent and that we paid a formulated value price. Now it has transcended that if we had of paid the formula price we would of paid well over the odds. Seeing how Wasps got all of it for 200 years longer for the same price that we would of had paid.
We came back once Wasps got what should have been our stadium after SISU played hardball and lost. Anyone saying anything else is either deluded or wouldn't see the truth if it smashed them in the face.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?