Callum contract offer (4 Viewers)

chiefdave · Jan 14, 2024

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
How far apart do you think we are?

Not sure what he wants is anything we can guarantee. If he's after PL football & wages then the choice is simple, get what we can in January or hope we go up and be prepared to lose him for a free in the summer if we don't

Find it hard to believe that the club are lo-balling him and not offering to make him one of the higher paid players in the squad.

The big unknown here is who would come in for him. By all accounts we weren't exactly inundated with offers for Hamer and he's ended up in a position that can hardly be much fun but he probably doesn't feel so bad when he looks at his bank balance.

From a career perspective I think you can make a pretty strong argument that continuing his development under Robins & his team and in a side that's playing to his strengths. But we all know its a career that can be ended at any minute, does any player want to take that gamble if PL level wages are on offer

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 14, 2024

chiefdave said:
Not sure what he wants is anything we can guarantee. If he's after PL football & wages then the choice is simple, get what we can in January or hope we go up and be prepared to lose him for a free in the summer if we don't

Find it hard to believe that the club are lo-balling him and not offering to make him one of the higher paid players in the squad.

The big unknown here is who would come in for him. By all accounts we weren't exactly inundated with offers for Hamer and he's ended up in a position that can hardly be much fun but he probably doesn't feel so bad when he looks at his bank balance.

From a career perspective I think you can make a pretty strong argument that continuing his development under Robins & his team and in a side that's playing to his strengths. But we all know its a career that can be ended at any minute, does any player want to take that gamble if PL level wages are on offer

Yep would be anyone in the premier league wouldn’t it

Legia Sky Blue · Jan 14, 2024

Danceswithhorses said:
agreed, we always thought COH had rubber legs before the 1 big injury

Yes, before his injuries he was the most fouled player in the league, but even so was never away for the odd week here or there with niggling injuries that other players get, and was a permanent fixture in the team. The 2 long term injuries he had from the start of last season were innocuous freak type instances, not involving physical contact from an opponent

SkyblueDad · Jan 14, 2024

Big difference now with Callum he is scoring goals he was a bit of a chance misser at first.
He is playing just as well as he was before his ACL and fundamental to how the team play.
PAY HIM Doug.

fatso · Jan 14, 2024

He's always likely to pick up the odd niggle, he was the most fouled player in the championship at one point, and gets targeted by opposition players.

That's part of the risk you have to accept when you have such a top quality player.

Since coming back from injury he looks a more complete player, having added goals and assists to his game.

SkyblueTexan · Jan 14, 2024

Skyblue Bangkok said:
I'd like him to stay but can understand if he leaves us for a bigger pay day. Most of us would leave our jobs it someone offered us more money.

Job satisfaction should count for something. I’ve changed jobs for the money and have also stayed at a place longer in spite of potentially better offers just because the grass is not always greener on the other side. I wonder how much Hamer is enjoying his current gig.

mrtrench · Jan 14, 2024

SkyblueTexan said:
Job satisfaction should count for something. I’ve changed jobs for the money and have also stayed at a place longer in spite of potentially better offers just because the grass is not always greener on the other side. I wonder how much Hamer is enjoying his current gig.

The thing is, that Hamer is now in the shop window for a bigger club if he performs well in the Premiership. If he had stayed, yes he would be in a winning team but being paid much less and still questions over his prem potential.

And let's be honest. If we do go up we are likely to have a similar trajectory to Sheffield next year anyway.

Loved Hamer but he was right to go and we were right to sell once he wanted off.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jan 14, 2024

hamertime said:
Yeah 2 year would be ok but a risk
Considering his injuries don’t forget that. I suspect he would want a longer contract and that’s the sticking point.

He wasn't particularly injury prone before his big injury so i don't consider it a huge risk

WestEndAgro · Jan 14, 2024

I'm pretty sure his agent will already know what club's are interested and what they would be willing to pay.
It's nieve to believe no contact would happen before May.
Recruitment is planned way in advance, although Hamer left late I'm certain Sheffield United didn't appear overnight.
The probable exceptions are team's who go up/down in unexpected circumstances.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jan 14, 2024

If O'Hare is saying he wants X to sign, then surely it's a no brainer to give him it as we will have an asset worth £10-15 million if we wanted to cash in on him in the Summer.

We will make back the extra 6 months wages and more via the transfer fee in the summer if we wanted.

Obviously there is a limit to what amount x can be but if it's matching top earner then it's a no brainer.

Theonlywayisskyblue · Jan 14, 2024

mrtrench said:
I didn't interpret the comment that way. It sounded to me that he wants a bit more then he will sign. 'let's see what happens after this game' is an invitation for more given he just scored two.

I meant the interview shown on Sky before the game

SkyblueDad · Jan 14, 2024

SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
He wasn't particularly injury prone before his big injury so i don't consider it a huge risk

Contracts seem to be four year nowadays

SkyblueTexan · Jan 14, 2024

mrtrench said:
The thing is, that Hamer is now in the shop window for a bigger club if he performs well in the Premiership. If he had stayed, yes he would be in a winning team but being paid much less and still questions over his prem potential.

And let's be honest. If we do go up we are likely to have a similar trajectory to Sheffield next year anyway.

Loved Hamer but he was right to go and we were right to sell once he wanted off.

Agree that we had no option but to sell Hamer. But the timing and the way it went down sucked. So in a way I’m selfishly happy to see Sheff Utd get pasted sometimes so that Hamer realizes that karma’s a bitch. On the flip side, I’d also want Hamer to do well and get sold for 50M* so that we can pocket a chunk of any sell on clause.
As for COH, I hope he doesn’t play the same game Hamer did and that we get this sorted out in Jan rather than wait for the summer.

SkyblueDad · Jan 14, 2024

SkyblueTexan said:
Agree that we had no option but to sell Hamer. But the timing and the way it went down sucked. So in a way I’m selfishly happy to see Sheff Utd get pasted sometimes so that Hamer realizes that karma’s a bitch. On the flip side, I’d also want Hamer to do well and get sold for 50M* so that we can pocket a chunk of any sell on clause.
As for COH, I hope he doesn’t play the same game Hamer did and that we get this sorted out in Jan rather than wait for the summer.

I’m not sure there were as many tears shed by the club than from the fans when he was transferred out.

SBT · Jan 14, 2024

SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
If O'Hare is saying he wants X to sign, then surely it's a no brainer to give him it as we will have an asset worth £10-15 million if we wanted to cash in on him in the Summer.

We may have had the option to do that before he recovered from his injury but we weren’t willing to take the gamble. Now his wage demands will be decided by his performances for the rest of the season and by the level of interest from other clubs, and I expect both to be strong.

Sick Boy · Jan 14, 2024

SJ80 said:
Yep agreed , just read a piece on CET regarding what Callum said to sky stating “he hasn’t a clue regarding his contract” basically his agent is negotiating it!

Of course he’ll know what’s going on.

Sick Boy · Jan 14, 2024

slowpoke said:
I’m not sure there were as many tears shed by the club than from the fans when he was transferred out.

Do you mean the club were unhappy with him messing them around?

Ccfcisparks · Jan 14, 2024

1.5 year deal with £15m release clause with wages matching top earner surely.

Allows him to see where we are at the end of the season, if we don’t go up there’s potential for him to move. If nobody pays release clause he can leave on a free the following year.

also covers us if he does his acl in the next 3 months, only got 15 month contract to pay.

Noble · Jan 14, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
1.5 year deal with £15m release clause with wages matching top earner surely.

Allows him to see where we are at the end of the season, if we don’t go up there’s potential for him to move. If nobody pays release clause he can leave on a free the following year.

also covers us if he does his acl in the next 3 months, only got 15 month contract to pay.

He's more likely to get offers in the summer if there's no transfer fee to pay, it makes no sense for him to sign right now if he is maximising his options.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jan 14, 2024

SBT said:
We may have had the option to do that before he recovered from his injury but we weren’t willing to take the gamble. Now his wage demands will be decided by his performances for the rest of the season and by the level of interest from other clubs, and I expect both to be strong.

Yea, I was calling for him to be signed up ages ago

Colin Steins Smile · Jan 14, 2024

slowpoke said:
Contracts seem to be four year nowadays

Some of the reasoning behind longer contracts relates to amortisation and FFP. However, on our case we can discount FFP, but it’s probably a case of trying to avoid a Vik and Gus situation

Ccfcisparks · Jan 14, 2024

Noble said:
He's more likely to get offers in the summer if there's no transfer fee to pay, it makes no sense for him to sign right now if he is maximising his options.

Of course it does. He’s about 4/5 games back after a long lay off. He’s got 20 games before the end of the year. Surey in his mind he will consider the security of a contract in case he gets injured

shmmeee · Jan 14, 2024

From our side it makes sense to offer him the cash. From his is makes sense to wait.

better days · Jan 14, 2024

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
How far apart do you think we are?

for me the fitness thing is weird - it’s not like he’s been riddled with injuries.

Only the club and COH's agent will know
COH's performance yesterday will help his case

junglej13 · Jan 14, 2024

Daily Mail got a story coming on O'Hare...

SBT · Jan 14, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
Of course it does. He’s about 4/5 games back after a long lay off. He’s got 20 games before the end of the year. Surey in his mind he will consider the security of a contract in case he gets injured

He’s played 15 times and scored 6 goals. The time to be worried about the immediate/short-term security of his career has long passed.

Ccfcisparks · Jan 14, 2024

SBT said:
He’s played 15 times and scored 6 goals. The time to be worried about the immediate/short-term security of his career has long passed.

He’s started 7. There’s every possibility he gets injured again. If you don’t think that’s playing on his mind in his decision making you are mistaken

Grendel · Jan 14, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
Of course it does. He’s about 4/5 games back after a long lay off. He’s got 20 games before the end of the year. Surey in his mind he will consider the security of a contract in case he gets injured

He’s already been involved in 15 games. There’s no real evidence that he will get injured again - there’s always a risk but it’s not great - he can dictate terms in the summer and if he carries on as he is he will have 10 to 12 goals by then as well

SBT · Jan 14, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
He’s started 7. There’s every possibility he gets injured again. If you don’t think that’s playing on his mind in his decision making you are mistaken

Impossible to tell if he’s genuinely insecure about his future but watching him recently he doesn’t look like someone who’s playing with that kind of fear hanging over him. 99% of players will be advised to hold out for as much money as possible for all the reasons you’re talking about anyway.

Ccfcisparks · Jan 14, 2024

Grendel said:
He’s already been involved in 15 games. There’s no real evidence that he will get injured again - there’s always a risk but it’s not great - he can dictate terms in the summer and if he carries on as he is he will have 10 to 12 goals by then as well

Players who have injured their knee in the past are 2-3x more likely to have a recurring injury in the following 2 seasons. There’s been studies on it.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jan 14, 2024

junglej13 said:
Daily Mail got a story coming on O'Hare...

Agent drumming up interest?

shmmeee · Jan 14, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
Players who have injured their knee in the past are 2-3x more likely to have a recurring injury in the following 2 seasons. There’s been studies on it.

If he gets injured before the end of season he’ll get a cheap deal with us because it suits all parties. If he doesn’t he’s in a much better position whatever he does.

Evo1883 · Jan 14, 2024

Cals injury history , confined to 1 season in his entire career

Mucca Mad Boys · Jan 14, 2024

Grendel said:
He’s already been involved in 15 games. There’s no real evidence that he will get injured again - there’s always a risk but it’s not great - he can dictate terms in the summer and if he carries on as he is he will have 10 to 12 goals by then as well

Didn’t Jodi Jones make around 10-15 appearances before his second ACL?

I don’t think we should sell COH at all now, we’ll get terrible value for him and we’re in a better position to get promoted with him than without.

steve cooper · Jan 14, 2024

I can't see what all the panic is about, there's no rush now on either side. Callum knows there is a contract here waiting for him to sign, and we know to have a chance of keeping him we have to offer what he wants. That can happen anytime between now and the end of the season. We are not going to 'get one over' other clubs or Callum, and sign him on the cheap.

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