georgehudson
Well-Known Member
a-ha yes, squirty cream & custard pies,
though the stewards would get confused over squirty cream being an offensive weapon
though the stewards would get confused over squirty cream being an offensive weapon
We should demonstrate inside the stadium , not outside. What happened at Charlton got more coverage than simply not going in.
Funny how those that were on about fans unity are doing there best to distroy it.
This really is the lowest we have been.
Got to say I am now seriously thinking of throwing my ST away if it wasn't that I get to see my brother every Saturday I would.
These owners have killed our club and are now killing our fans.
Thank You Sisu.
I think being in the spotlight as an individual here, very much at the front of the campaign, is key.you need to get a grip mate.
sisu didn't make him follow extreme right wing groups on twitter or re tweet there bile FFS. That was his decision.
This is nothing to do with fan unity, this is one guy making a fundamental mistake of putting himself in the spotlight while having questionable activity on his twitter account.
Think how this can be used against us, think how this might go down with other fans groups that we're trying to engage with.
This isn't a witch hunt, this is a matter od serious concern. He probably is a good guy who's made a poor error of judgement, but the campaign(s) against the owners have started to get national media coverage, this sort of thing could seriously undermine it.
I think being in the spotlight as an individual here, very much at the front of the campaign, is key.
Haven't seen the tweets, but if they are indeed truly abhorrent, then Steve should take a step back.
Fine if he wants to be part of the protest, but I would say not at the forefront of the protest .
Witch-hunt.
Not surprised by it, we live in an age where somehow it is more important to be moralistic than it is moral, where what you think is considered more important than what you do. It doesn't matter if you're decent, charitable, generous and moderate in your actions; if you have a view or say something out of kilter you are jumped on and ostracised by the internet lynch mob; people who are so self-righteous that they have somehow appointed themselves as thought moderators and who consider themselves superior based not on what they do, but what they think.
I'm not far right, far from it. I'm not far left either. I'm just me. Nobody can know Steve really belives - and we're not even talking about things he has said, he is being judged by the people he listens to.
We're in danger of taking ourselves too seriously. Steve is not being asked to lead Brexit negotiations or to be a peace envoy to the Middle East, he is just trying to organise actions on behalf of a group of football supporters, a non-political group.
All a bit unncessary and unsavoury this imo.
Witch-hunt.
Not surprised by it, we live in an age where somehow it is more important to be moralistic than it is moral, where what you think is considered more important than what you do. It doesn't matter if you're decent, charitable, generous and moderate in your actions; if you have a view or say something out of kilter you are jumped on and ostracised by the internet lynch mob; people who are so self-righteous that they have somehow appointed themselves as thought moderators and who consider themselves superior based not on what they do, but what they think.
I'm not far right, far from it. I'm not far left either. I'm just me. Nobody can know Steve really belives - and we're not even talking about things he has said, he is being judged by the people he listens to.
We're in danger of taking ourselves too seriously. Steve is not being asked to lead Brexit negotiations or to be a peace envoy to the Middle East, he is just trying to organise actions on behalf of a group of football supporters, a non-political group.
All a bit unncessary and unsavoury this imo.
Witch-hunt.
Not surprised by it, we live in an age where somehow it is more important to be moralistic than it is moral, where what you think is considered more important than what you do. It doesn't matter if you're decent, charitable, generous and moderate in your actions; if you have a view or say something out of kilter you are jumped on and ostracised by the internet lynch mob; people who are so self-righteous that they have somehow appointed themselves as thought moderators and who consider themselves superior based not on what they do, but what they think.
I'm not far right, far from it. I'm not far left either. I'm just me. Nobody can know Steve really belives - and we're not even talking about things he has said, he is being judged by the people he listens to.
We're in danger of taking ourselves too seriously. Steve is not being asked to lead Brexit negotiations or to be a peace envoy to the Middle East, he is just trying to organise actions on behalf of a group of football supporters, a non-political group.
All a bit unncessary and unsavoury this imo.
Witch-hunt.
Not surprised by it, we live in an age where somehow it is more important to be moralistic than it is moral, where what you think is considered more important than what you do. It doesn't matter if you're decent, charitable, generous and moderate in your actions; if you have a view or say something out of kilter you are jumped on and ostracised by the internet lynch mob; people who are so self-righteous that they have somehow appointed themselves as thought moderators and who consider themselves superior based not on what they do, but what they think.
I'm not far right, far from it. I'm not far left either. I'm just me. Nobody can know Steve really belives - and we're not even talking about things he has said, he is being judged by the people he listens to.
We're in danger of taking ourselves too seriously. Steve is not being asked to lead Brexit negotiations or to be a peace envoy to the Middle East, he is just trying to organise actions on behalf of a group of football supporters, a non-political group.
All a bit unncessary and unsavoury this imo.
We're in danger of taking ourselves too seriously. Steve is not being asked to lead Brexit negotiations or to be a peace envoy to the Middle East, he is just trying to organise actions on behalf of a group of football supporters, a non-political group.
All a bit unncessary and unsavoury this imo.
Nick, kill the thread. Steve has deleted his tweets and locked his account. The damage has been done. The march shouldnt be tainted by him or his personal views any more.
Witch-hunt.
Not surprised by it, we live in an age where somehow it is more important to be moralistic than it is moral, where what you think is considered more important than what you do. It doesn't matter if you're decent, charitable, generous and moderate in your actions; if you have a view or say something out of kilter you are jumped on and ostracised by the internet lynch mob; people who are so self-righteous that they have somehow appointed themselves as thought moderators and who consider themselves superior based not on what they do, but what they think.
I'm not far right, far from it. I'm not far left either. I'm just me. Nobody can know Steve really belives - and we're not even talking about things he has said, he is being judged by the people he listens to.
We're in danger of taking ourselves too seriously. Steve is not being asked to lead Brexit negotiations or to be a peace envoy to the Middle East, he is just trying to organise actions on behalf of a group of football supporters, a non-political group.
All a bit unncessary and unsavoury this imo.
That's extremely naïve Tony.That's pretty much how I see it. I don't have EDL views myself but unless he starts handing out EDL literature at the march I'm struggling to see why people are connecting the EDL with it.
That's extremely naïve Tony.
No it is not.That's extremely naïve Tony.
Because it fits there agenda.Why? Are you expecting him to be using the march as an opportunity to promote EDL ideology?
Why? Are you expecting him to be using the march as an opportunity to promote EDL ideology?
This is why you should close the thread Nick.
No it is not.
People with different views on our football club have decided to put it on themselves to discredit anyone they are as opposing there views.
Anyone who believes that andreasb was just resurching so as to make up his or herons on whether to take part in the March is being naive.
Gunn how andreasb was spouting all this shit for a couple of weeks now and all of a sudden has decided now is the time to bring it out with a bang.
So Steve will take a back seat.
The fight will go on.
Then you wonder why people don't want to be at the forefront of these City groups all they get is abuse.
Andreasb you and you will not shut is up until Sisu have gone, funny thing is when they do I suspect you will not be far behind.
PUSB
Why? Are you expecting him to be using the march as an opportunity to promote EDL ideology?
Why? Are you expecting him to be using the march as an opportunity to promote EDL ideology?
No it is not.
People with different views on our football club have decided to put it on themselves to discredit anyone they are as opposing there views.
Anyone who believes that andreasb was just resurching so as to make up his or herons on whether to take part in the March is being naive.
Gunn how andreasb was spouting all this shit for a couple of weeks now and all of a sudden has decided now is the time to bring it out with a bang.
So Steve will take a back seat.
The fight will go on.
Then you wonder why people don't want to be at the forefront of these City groups all they get is abuse.
Andreasb you and you will not shut is up until Sisu have gone, funny thing is when they do I suspect you will not be far behind.
PUSB
Why? Are you expecting him to be using the march as an opportunity to promote EDL ideology?
At the end of the day any march I may or may not go on in support of regime change at CCFC will be just that, support of regime change at CCFC. I won't be marching in support of Steve and I certainly won't be marching in support of any right wing views he may have same as I wouldn't be supporting any socialist views he may have if he was a Corbin supporter. It clearly suits some on here to blur the lines and I would question their motives before Steve's as I know as we all do where this march is concerned his only motive is concern over the future of CCFC. If he turns up wearing a white sheet handing out EDL propaganda I'll be the first to call him a c**t and I'll walk the other way. Until then I'll be going on any march for CCFC before any games I attend should one be happening.
At the end of the day any march I may or may not go on in support of regime change at CCFC will be just that, support of regime change at CCFC. I won't be marching in support of Steve and I certainly won't be marching in support of any right wing views he may have same as I wouldn't be supporting any socialist views he may have if he was a Corbin supporter. It clearly suits some on here to blur the lines and I would question their motives before Steve's as I know as we all do where this march is concerned his only motive is concern over the future of CCFC. If he turns up wearing a white sheet handing out EDL propaganda I'll be the first to call him a c**t and I'll walk the other way. Until then I'll be going on any march for CCFC before any games I attend should one be happening.
The thing is, the campaign is working, I'm convinced fisher raised the issue of the trusts accounts on instruction because they're getting rattled, but this can undo all the good work.
To think this won't be used against the campaign is living in clod cuckoo land. To think this won't alienate individuals or other supporters groups who may otherwise have supported us is living in cloud cuckoo land.
It would be a shame to undo all the good work that has so far gone on.
I don't think anybody is saying that if you go to a march you agree with all of his views on life and it would be wrong to say that. It is like saying LAST or BHSB share his views because they are his mate, which is also totally wrong.
I think it is more the impression it would give with him "heading" it up. Simple answer is to just chuck somebody else in front of the camera / reporters, doesn't mean at all he can't be involved and doing things with it. Pretty much the same as before, just without a title of "leader", which let's face it doesn't really mean too much anyway does it?
Is it fuck. It's an indication you're a white male who isn't in any way affected or impacted by Steve's views. If you had ever been subjected to abuse caused by ignorance regarding the colour of your skin then you would understand why marching alongside a leader publically promoting such views transcends a protest about a football team. No-one is saying the march should stop or the fight against SISU should stop. We need to unify the fanbase - a leader of the group trying to do that whilst sharing those views has immediately failed at that task.The reaction to Steve's views away from CCFC is also another indication that the protests are working. Why indulge them in distraction. Focus on the march. Anything outside that is Steve's to deal with.
"Not in my name" is the phrase that I think the ring leader in this witch hunt used. It's a classic if you can't attack the point attack the man.
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