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[Neutral Fan]

Just so you guys know, the whole East Stand (left hand side as you look from the hill) is currently demolished whilst Cardoza builds his double decker stand with corporate boxes...boxes that will give 400 seats less of a view than you get from the hill!

Anyway, the point is you might be able to watch the game from the back of the stadium (without going in) and it would be harder for the TV cameras to ignore protesters/banners standing there.

 

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[AndreasB]

Fisher is laughing at all of us, it's all one bad joke to SISU.

Some are just willing to pay to be mocked, most aren't.

Im paying to watch the football Tony. Im not being exploited. Im only being "mocked" on here by fellow Coventry fans. Thats the really sad thing.

 

[AndreasB]

Ok. so you misinterpreted my politeness for patronising.. not meant sorry, does that clear the craw?.

I guess well have to agree to disagree about the navigation around life's metaphorical moral compass and how to find true North?

Incidentally I am a confirmed atheist and so 'holier than thou' is somewhat of an own goal perhaps?

You can be an athiest and be holier than thou old fruit - as you prove with every faux intellectual, cod philosophy, post of yours.

 

[Grendel]

I've read this quite a few times.....can you clarify G for us please, I cannot make sense of it?

I missed one word out - despite you and Tony scuttling round the issue you know exactly what I am saying.

Let's try again. Do you think the suffragette movement benefited from its high profile protests inside ascot or do you think they would have been more successful sitting quietly on a hill outside or perhaps at home?

The notion someone will not enter a ground on moral issues when they seek to change a situation they are not happy with is nonsense.

The reality, which I suspect you and Tony are trying to avoid addressing, is that if there was a protest inside the ground there would be apathy. The hill people do not protest - they watch the game and numbers generally are small.

My belief is if several thousand protestors would enter the ground and protest on a consistent basis it would eventually have an impact. To refuse to do so as it gives money to the owners is. Kop out. You either do not have faith in the protest or believe insufficient would bother to attend.

 

[Matty_CCFC]

We are all just playing with this, stop your fucking bickering and stick together for once.
The FL, SISU, CCC and ACL have to start talking and put this shit to bed.

Show everyone we still exist, we still care and want one club in Coventry.
If those who still insist in showing support for our owners and go to games inside Shitfields then show some balls and protest inside.
Those who can get to Northampton and go on the Hill do so and make one hell of protest.

Others like me who have almost given up the fight can sit in Spain and dream of what could have been.

PS. If I were not away I WOULD be in that bloody hill.

 

[skybluetony176]

I missed one word out - despite you and Tony scuttling round the issue you know exactly what I am saying.

Let's try again. Do you think the suffragette movement benefited from its high profile protests inside ascot or do you think they would have been more successful sitting quietly on a hill outside or perhaps at home?

The notion someone will not enter a ground on moral issues when they seek to change a situation they are not happy with is nonsense.

The reality, which I suspect you and Tony are trying to avoid addressing, is that if there was a protest inside the ground there would be apathy. The hill people do not protest - they watch the game and numbers generally are small.

My belief is if several thousand protestors would enter the ground and protest on a consistent basis it would eventually have an impact. To refuse to do so as it gives money to the owners is. Kop out. You either do not have faith in the protest or believe insufficient would bother to attend.

I didn't realise that the suffragettes were protesting about horse racing I always thought it was about the rights of women to vote? Still you learn something new everyday.

In answer to your question. Not paying to go in is a protest. Standing on the hill is a protest. Going only to away games is a protest. Signing the KCIC epetition is a protest. Going to arsenal and holding up why and when posters is a protest and all these protest have gained media attention both locally and nationally and occasionally even further a field. To suggest that these protests are not being noticed by our owners is a nonsense, so they are directly in there face.

To pay to go into sixfields and sit there all nice and quiet like good little sisu boys (I would say and girls but the girls at least had the balls to do something while they were there on a couple of occasions last season) is defeatist. You may as well stop supporting CCFC and start following NTFC now because you're lack of anything is only sending out the message that you're happy to be there. I'll continual to do my protest either from the Hill or by not going at all. You keep doing what you've been doing, nothing, except judge and dismiss those who care enough to say enough is enough. Just further proof that you are happy with SISU's actions. You don't even like the city of Coventry, I really don't understand what qualifies you to still be classed as a supporter.

 

[shmmeee]

I missed one word out - despite you and Tony scuttling round the issue you know exactly what I am saying.

Let's try again. Do you think the suffragette movement benefited from its high profile protests inside ascot or do you think they would have been more successful sitting quietly on a hill outside or perhaps at home?

The notion someone will not enter a ground on moral issues when they seek to change a situation they are not happy with is nonsense.

The reality, which I suspect you and Tony are trying to avoid addressing, is that if there was a protest inside the ground there would be apathy. The hill people do not protest - they watch the game and numbers generally are small.

My belief is if several thousand protestors would enter the ground and protest on a consistent basis it would eventually have an impact. To refuse to do so as it gives money to the owners is. Kop out. You either do not have faith in the protest or believe insufficient would bother to attend.

Seriously? That's your belief?

Yet 0 fans would make no difference you claim?

The protest at Arsenal made you difference you claimed?

In fact you've been scornful of every single protest suggested, but suddenly you think one inside Sixfields will bring us home, just as it happens to be a useful argument to bash your fellow fans with, what a surprise.

 

[Grendel]

I didn't realise that the suffragettes were protesting about horse racing I always thought it was about the rights of women to vote? Still you learn something new everyday. .

Indeed you do. The reason was to protest in front of the Royal Box as they were considered the establishment and Emily Davison through herself in front of the King’s Horse. The comparison therefore is completely relevant.

In answer to your question. Not paying to go in is a protest. Standing on the hill is a protest. Going only to away games is a protest. Signing the KCIC epetition is a protest. Going to arsenal and holding up why and when posters is a protest and all these protest have gained media attention both locally and nationally and occasionally even further a field. To suggest that these protests are not being noticed by our owners is a nonsense, so they are directly in there face.

So how can you measure the success and effectiveness of these protests? Are we any nearer to a return home or not? If not I would suggest the protests are not effective and a new course of action is required.

. Signing the KCIC epetition is a protest.

Given that Fisher signed this what is this a protest against?

To pay to go into sixfields and sit there all nice and quiet like good little sisu boys (I would say and girls but the girls at least had the balls to do something while they were there on a couple of occasions last season) is defeatist. You may as well stop supporting CCFC and start following NTFC now because you're lack of anything is only sending out the message that you're happy to be there

This is a typically emotive and ill-advised statement. To suggest these supporters should support another team is absurd especially as you praise other people who stand on the hill to watch the same team. The reality, though you will never accept it, is that the regular attendees are keeping the club going by retaining an association with the City they represent. Rather than ridicule them with a childish snipe you should acknowledge the efforts they are making to support the team in adversity and ignorance.

I'll continual to do my protest either from the Hill or by not going at all. You keep doing what you've been doing, nothing, except judge and dismiss those who care enough to say enough is enough.

So all you are interested in is appearing to be with the majority patting themselves on the back that they are “doing something” but achieving nothing.

Just further proof that you are happy with SISU's actions. You don't even like the city of Coventry, I really don't understand what qualifies you to still be classed as a supporter.

No proof presented at all. I was unaware one had to like the City of the club they support. This again is an absurd “Little Englander” type of mentality. Your leader has taught you well.

 

[lewys33]

My belief is if several thousand protestors would enter the ground and protest on a consistent basis it would eventually have an impact. To refuse to do so as it gives money to the owners is. Kop out. You either do not have faith in the protest or believe insufficient would bother to attend.

Hmmm, agree and disagree. Agree because I think it could work. Disagree because I think for it to work it would involve not being strictly "legal".

Personally I don't consider the hillers as protesters. More as fans who want to watch their team but don't agree with the sixfields move.

 

[Grendel]

Seriously? That's your belief?

Yet 0 fans would make no difference you claim?

The protest at Arsenal made you difference you claimed?

In fact you've been scornful of every single protest suggested, but suddenly you think one inside Sixfields will bring us home, just as it happens to be a useful argument to bash your fellow fans with, what a surprise.

I fail to see how it is “bashing fellow fans”

The suggestion that the missing 7,500 do not go to Sixfields due to their code of honour is actually absurd. If this was the case the club would easily have that many at every away game in a 40 mile radius. Other than the Franchise Fun Day this does not happen. It is ultimately because of inconvenience that a large amount to not attend. There is no moral debate here.

Of course there is a strong logical argument to support a large scale protest inside the ground. All that is happening now is that some non-attendees are bashing the attendees for apathy at not protesting. Large scale protests in the ground including after the game will necessitate a large police presence and it will make our stay there less popular with the local community. This will not happen, not through a great moral issue, but due to apathy.

The Emirates game was a huge opportunity missed. The supporters should have purchased tickets – had a large protest board stuck in the stadium – and all staged a sit in outside Football League HQ. Merely attending away games gives no lasting message at all.

 

[mark82]

Can we get red and green scarves ready in time?

 

[skybluetony176]

Indeed you do. The reason was to protest in front of the Royal Box as they were considered the establishment and Emily Davison through herself in front of the King’s Horse. The comparison therefore is completely relevant.

In answer to your question. Not paying to go in is a protest. Standing on the hill is a protest. Going only to away games is a protest. Signing the KCIC epetition is a protest. Going to arsenal and holding up why and when posters is a protest and all these protest have gained media attention both locally and nationally and occasionally even further a field. To suggest that these protests are not being noticed by our owners is a nonsense, so they are directly in there face.

So how can you measure the success and effectiveness of these protests? Are we any nearer to a return home or not? If not I would suggest the protests are not effective and a new course of action is required.

. Signing the KCIC epetition is a protest.

Given that Fisher signed this what is this a protest against?



This is a typically emotive and ill-advised statement. To suggest these supporters should support another team is absurd especially as you praise other people who stand on the hill to watch the same team. The reality, though you will never accept it, is that the regular attendees are keeping the club going by retaining an association with the City they represent. Rather than ridicule them with a childish snipe you should acknowledge the efforts they are making to support the team in adversity and ignorance.

I'll continual to do my protest either from the Hill or by not going at all. You keep doing what you've been doing, nothing, except judge and dismiss those who care enough to say enough is enough.

So all you are interested in is appearing to be with the majority patting themselves on the back that they are “doing something” but achieving nothing.



No proof presented at all. I was unaware one had to like the City of the club they support. This again is an absurd “Little Englander” type of mentality. Your leader has taught you well.

Perhaps next time Joy makes a court appearance you could throw yourself of the top of a lamppost and impale yourself on her umbrella. That will show her, we'll be back to the Ricoh in no time.

How do you ever measure the success of protest really. You do it because you believe it's the right thing to do. It's like being told you're wasting your vote by voting for the green party or any of the other minority parties because they'll never win the general election. The reality is if enough people vote for minority parties the major parties take note and change/adapt policy to try and win them votes. Is that not a success for the voter?

Fisher said he signed it because PWKH and others who SISU like to blame for the failings of the club had said they'd signed it. Only an idiot would think otherwise.

The people watching from the hill is a protest. I don't see why you fail to grasp that. I never suggested anyone should support another team l said that they might as well. To suggest that those inside is keeping a link between the club and it's city is an emotive ill advised statement as they are gainfully promoting the abandonment of said city. Rather than ridicule those trying to regain that link with a childish snipe you should acknowledge the effort they've made. Have you ever once praised Michael for keeping our plight in the public eye?

All I'm interested in is seeing the club get home and the sooner the better. All you're interested in is trying to be different. Presumably you've never got the attention that you feel you deserve and being different is your only chance of getting that attention.

"Little Englander" a typical childish snipe I expect from you. "My leader has ttaught me well" another typical childish snipe that I've come to expect from you. But I'll entertain you with this one. Exactly who is my leader supposed to be?

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

and what is "something everybody can do" exactly then? Another pointless March round the town?

The time has come for a bit more direct action in the ground - no other option now. Fisher just laughs at those on the hill.

Is that why I was offered free tickets by him:thinking about:

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

You can be an athiest and be holier than thou old fruit - as you prove with every faux intellectual, cod philosophy, post of yours.

Clearly I'll have to bow to your higher intellect young padawan.. I'm here to debate CCFC related matters.. not throw personal rocks as you seem to...you've completely taken umbrage and the wrong end of the stick.

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

I missed one word out - despite you and Tony scuttling round the issue you know exactly what I am saying.

Let's try again. Do you think the suffragette movement benefited from its high profile protests inside ascot or do you think they would have been more successful sitting quietly on a hill outside or perhaps at home?

The notion someone will not enter a ground on moral issues when they seek to change a situation they are not happy with is nonsense.

The reality, which I suspect you and Tony are trying to avoid addressing, is that if there was a protest inside the ground there would be apathy. The hill people do not protest - they watch the game and numbers generally are small.

My belief is if several thousand protestors would enter the ground and protest on a consistent basis it would eventually have an impact. To refuse to do so as it gives money to the owners is. Kop out. You either do not have faith in the protest or believe insufficient would bother to attend.

1-I genuinely did not understand your post- no slight intended- you are overly sensitive. It wasnt contrite or aligned with Tony- I don't scuttle- Man up G
2-Why is it nonsense to not enter the ground on the basis of principle, its a little like opposing the grand national and going to Aintree isn't it.. or having a go on the office flutter... or...?
3- The Hill protest is limited numbers-I agree but doesn't that fall into the same argument as the one you try to make-"My belief is if several thousand protestors would protest on the *hill and protest on a consistent basis it would eventually have an impact......"

My own personal protest isn't based on NOPM but principle of right and wrong... my view and one shared by the majority, one which I have maintained and from the get go, unlike some maybe?

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

There is no moral debate here.

Not for you, no.

That does not by definition mean that there is no moral debate for others.