Yea but remember we played shite in both of those gamesNo you just don't acknowledge when you are wrong
We beat bury and Crewe with 442 but u only pipe up if we lose
... I'm not getting bored of being right.
No you just don't acknowledge when you are wrong
We beat bury and Crewe with 442 but u only pipe up if we lose
No you just don't acknowledge when you are wrong
We beat bury and Crewe with 442 but u only pipe up if we lose
And sheff utd.No you just don't acknowledge when you are wrong
We beat bury and Crewe with 442 but u only pipe up if we lose
We didn't play 442 in pre-season is was thorn and his bloody diamond.Hang on, I've said we were poor v Bury and Crewe, or are we forgetting that? I also remember kicking up a fuss about 4-4-2 despite beating Sheff U 2-1.
I weren't really on SBT to moan about Bury had no internet until I got home v Bury (iPad has no 3G, forget paying for that!) and I did moan about 4-4-2 v Crewe when we beat Crewe 2-0 as well, I've been criticising 4-4-2 all season including in pre-season.
People only largely kicked a fuss over the diamond and 4-5-1 after we loss, are they exempt? That's a bit unfair don't you think?
The facts point out that we are a FAR better side when playing 4-5-1.
I wouldn't think that, no, but your average British fan would, because they don't have the patience for that style of play, they want strength, power, pace and then technicality, that's why our national team has failed badly and have dropped out of the international elite of football. No, in fact, I'm wrong somewhat, they'd respect the names however, if they weren't 'names', and played like they did, they'd be critcised and would be called lazy.
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Everybody jumps on SBT back and it's starting to piss me off. I'm sure he could say that Coventry play in sky blue and some would argue with him. Fuck off and get a life this is a sad little internet forum.
You're not right because you are making false claims.
Pretty much most posters have agreed that the 451 works away from home - put away record is fantastic. It works because it gives defensive strength and means we can play on the break.
It hasn't worked at home because we have to dictate play, teams sit back and we're not good enough to break them down. Played 17 won 5 drawn 5 lost 7.
Everyone except you seems to acknowledge the need to try something different and play 2 strikers. You talk about Man U, there 4411 is with 2 strikers not 1, Rooney plays in the hole and makes runs in beyond van persie and when the ball is out wide is right in te box to get on te end of crosses.
Incidentally - we conceded crewes 2nd after Moussa had came on for Elliott so we were already 451.
451 away from home is perfect, it just isn't that effective at home, not necessarily saying 442 is.
We didn't play 442 in pre-season is was thorn and his bloody diamond.
And sheff utd.
You know I was criticising 4-4-2 in that instance, ask CCFC (forum user), he should remember that well.
Not my fault I'm not a nostalgic middle-aged person who has seen 4-4-2 succeed, I'm part of the youth that has seen 4-4-2 fail to much for me to accept it as a suitable formation for England nor CCFC.
Hang on, I've said we were poor v Bury and Crewe, or are we forgetting that? I also remember kicking up a fuss about 4-4-2 despite beating Sheff U 2-1.
I weren't really on SBT to moan about Bury had no internet until I got home v Bury (iPad has no 3G, forget paying for that!) and I did moan about 4-4-2 v Crewe when we beat Crewe 2-0 as well, I've been criticising 4-4-2 all season including in pre-season.
People only largely kicked a fuss over the diamond and 4-5-1 after we loss, are they exempt? That's a bit unfair don't you think?
The facts point out that we are a FAR better side when playing 4-5-1.
Yep despite Robins saying the first half was as close to perfect as it getsYou know I was criticising 4-4-2 in that instance, ask CCFC (forum user), he should remember that well.
Not my fault I'm not a nostalgic middle-aged person who has seen 4-4-2 succeed, I'm part of the youth that has seen 4-4-2 fail to much for me to accept it as a suitable formation for England nor CCFC.
What absolute tosh.
Don't give me British fan crap. I adore serie a which is tactical as it gets and that teaches you one thing
Any formation can work if tinkered with
If csrsley wants to continue using 442 I'm sure its because he thinks it can work
Dismissing it is just wrong even if it is fashionable
Put down world soccer magazine and actually watch the game mate
Don't give me British fan crap. I adore serie a which is tactical as it gets and that teaches you one thing
Any formation can work if tinkered with
If csrsley wants to continue using 442 I'm sure its because he thinks it can work
Dismissing it is just wrong even if it is fashionable
Put down world soccer magazine and actually watch the game mate
Tell why so many British fans accept 4-4-2 as a good formation where our fellow foreign counterparts disagree, they best teams, club and international, in the world do not play 4-4-2 and haven't done for sometime.
I'll give you an example for a L1 player who is talented as a footballer and gets accused of being lazy and gets slated for his physicality; John Fleck, is a fantasic player when the ball comes to his feet, sometimes tries too hard to make things happen, like Baker and better off it than some fans make out (you & Grendel) and use call him lazy etc. well no, he's not, he's just a different breed of player, and doesn't run around like a headless chicken with no skill, like Doyle, who many admire, but he isn't a good player at all, just a dick who runs around, Fleck would be appreciated more if he was playing in European leagues such as Germany and Spain.
Many English fans and tabloids were slating Pirlo's physicality before our game v Italy, then he shown us (and Germany) up, then we changed our mind.
Fans in Britain fixate on pace, strength and stamina more than they should and more than their counterparts in South America and continental Europe.
Yep despite Robins saying the first half was as close to perfect as it gets
I don't read FourFourTwo (accept season preview) nor WorldSoccer and ironically for you, I have formed my opinions watching 4-4-2 fail, over and over, and then reading documents from coaches and people like Cruyff promoting 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1.
You are one instance, I'm generalising the millions of football fans that watch football per week, I also like Serie A, Bundesliga and La Liga, and you know what, not many teams play 4-4-2 in those division do they?
Fleck has only shown talent in small flashes since coming to Cov, he hasn't influenced games enough on a consistent basis like Baker has this season.
Baker isn't fast or strong but isn't regarded as lazy and is thought by a lot of fans to be player of the season so how does that fit?
Fleck has potential but I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed so far
Wow you read four four two, tjought u wed hate it lol
I agree rigid 442 does not work much anymore but we are playing a more fluid version of it and its doing OK
I actually agree with u that 451 suits us better but can see advantages of both
I'd like to see us do 343 on last day when we already have the title sewn up!
...even though we won two of the last 3 games playing it.
Tell why so many British fans accept 4-4-2 as a good formation where our fellow foreign counterparts disagree, they best teams, club and international, in the world do not play 4-4-2 and haven't done for sometime.
I'll give you an example for a L1 player who is talented as a footballer and gets accused of being lazy and gets slated for his physicality; John Fleck, is a fantasic player when the ball comes to his feet, sometimes tries too hard to make things happen, like Baker and better off it than some fans make out (you & Grendel) and use call him lazy etc. well no, he's not, he's just a different breed of player, and doesn't run around like a headless chicken with no skill, like Doyle, who many admire, but he isn't a good player at all, just a dick who runs around, Fleck would be appreciated more if he was playing in European leagues such as Germany and Spain.
Many English fans and tabloids were slating Pirlo's physicality before our game v Italy, then he shown us (and Germany) up, then we changed our mind.
Fans in Britain fixate on pace, strength and stamina more than they should and more than their counterparts in South America and continental Europe.
GO BACK AND READ THE BIT I QUOTED.
The fans are NOT to blame for the state of the national side, that is down the FA's neglect of youth development for the last 20+ years from grass roots to the elite, which despite brooking and wilkinson banging on about it for 20 years are only just implementing it; and also premier league greed which means they buy in foreign talent both full pros and youngsters and the % of English players is far smaller than the % of Spanish, Germany and Italy in their PL's.
The thread should be called Liam what we're you thinking! Do we think Liam was smart enough to play reverse psychology
Have to admit, this is hilariousI was wrong :facepalm: , after what i saw on Saturday and the performances by some of the players, i wasnt happy witt the selection, but they proved me wrong and im so happy they did. PS, that humble pie tastes like shit, wheres Gordon Ramsey when you need him
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