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Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,136
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Then we'd have done all we reasonably could to solve the problem. Not suggesting we should have got a new pitch and then stopped paying rent, but to have tried negotiating a deal to that effect.
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I just don't think the other side would have been receptive to anything other than us paying for a pitch and them getting full rent. They can't afford to miss any speck of income atm.
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,137
Evo1883 said:
Even you know what you are saying is nonsense, this is one argument I won't even give you time for
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The EFL has a contract with us not wasps. If we’ve decided to let them be responsible for the playing surface contractually the ultimate responsibility is ours. We have to make sure it is playable

We should have dealt with the problem and not think it’s clever to play the victim and along with Vaughan indulge in a public slanging match rather than solving the problem
 
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David O'Day

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,138
The idea we should of not signed players we been to pay for a pitch when the landlord should provide a playable surface be it new or just the old on that has been looked after is pure wow

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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,139
Grendel said:
The EFL has a contract with us not wasps. If we’ve decided to let them be responsible for the playing surface contractually the ultimate responsibility is ours. We have to make sure it is playable

We should have dealt with the problem and not think it’s clever to play the victim and along with Vaughan indulge in a public slanging match rather than solving the problem
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,140
David O'Day said:
The idea we should of not signed players we been to pay for a pitch when the landlord should provide a playable surface be it new or just the old on that has been looked after is pure wow

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One of the worst suggestions on this forum in some time
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,141
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You're right, we shouldn't have to-but look at what's happening now because nobody did anything. Do it ourselves, take the cost out of the rent and get the pitch in a fit state.

Had we done that before the CWG we wouldn't have had to call off the first 3 competitive home games.
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Imagine headlines "sisu with holding rent again to distress ACL"

No right of offset btw
 

Danceswithhorses

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,142
Skybluebeliever said:
They and we have no money to do anything I’m afraid
We have to rely on their 2 groundsman , basic equipment and hope
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A sad state of affairs for a Championship club...very amateurish.
As a club, our facilities/pitch are 3rd rate...at a push.
How are we supposed to compete, as a club, with such poor infrastructure, against a division mostly full of clubs with state of the art training centres, billiard table pitches and competent senior level staff ?
 

Balli001

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,143
Grendel said:
The EFL has a contract with us not wasps. If we’ve decided to let them be responsible for the playing surface contractually the ultimate responsibility is ours. We have to make sure it is playable

We should have dealt with the problem and not think it’s clever to play the victim and along with Vaughan indulge in a public slanging match rather than solving the problem
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Contractually wasps have to provide a playable surface and isnt. No other blame needs apportioning
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,144
Danceswithhorses said:
A sad state of affairs for a Championship club...very amateurish.
As a club, our facilities/pitch are 3rd rate...at a push.
How are we supposed to compete, as a club, with such poor infrastructure, against a division mostly full of clubs with state of the art training centres, billiard table pitches and competent senior level staff ?
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Haven't we just spent shit loads on new training pitches at Ryton?
 
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Dominic H

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,145
Grendel said:
We could have relaid there out not signed say palmer - we have to answer to tbe EFL and not wasps it’s our problem
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I agree, wasps don’t care about the pitch because they aren’t the ones that need to play on it currently, we should be the bigger party and relay the grass ourselves and just take the expense off our rent
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,146
David O'Day said:
The idea we should of not signed players we been to pay for a pitch when the landlord should provide a playable surface be it new or just the old on that has been looked after is pure wow

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Absolute nonsense isn't it. It comes across as wasps apologist nonsense.

The idea we would just take it off the rent is bonkers. Wasps would take us to court for not paying rent.

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Grendel

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,147
Evo1883 said:
One of the worst suggestions on this forum in some time
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Its not a suggestion it’s an wxample

It’s the reverse of what’s being suggested on here. Namely wasps should not have taken on the games without considering us and spending a £100 grand on a pitch

They wouldn’t would they? Yet many on here are saying they should do the reverse logic has to apply I’m afraid

Should they have improved the surface at the expense of their playing budget? Highly doubt their fans would be keen on that either

We as an organisation could have looked at various alternatives - rent negotiation, grants, loans, player budgets - the figure is believed to be about £100 grand

As someone else said - the owners seem to be enjoying this
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,148
Dominic H said:
I agree, wasps don’t care about the pitch because they aren’t the ones that need to play on it currently, we should be the bigger party and relay the grass ourselves and just take the expense off our rent
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We don't have access to the stadium and we can't unilaterally withhold rent.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,149

Homepage - The English Football League

The Official home of the English Football League
www.efl.com

It might upset some but pretty much reads the EFL are on our side.
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,150
stupot07 said:
Absolute nonsense isn't it. It comes across as wasps apologist nonsense.

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Wasps aren’t going to pay a penny on repairs.
 

Dominic H

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,151
Liquid Gold said:
We don't have access to the stadium and we can't unilaterally withhold rent.
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Im sure wasps would let us into the stadium to relay the grass If we offered they gonna say no ?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,152
Liquid Gold said:
I just don't think the other side would have been receptive to anything other than us paying for a pitch and them getting full rent. They can't afford to miss any speck of income atm.
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Well they're missing income right now from not having events on. It was worth making the effort to negotiate with them and if they still refused then fair enough, we did all we could.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,153
Dominic H said:
Im sure wasps would let us into the stadium to relay the grass If we offered they gonna say no ?
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If it means they miss out on rent then yes.

They literally can't afford to miss out on a penny.

 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,154
Grendel said:
Wasps aren’t going to pay a penny on repairs.
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Therefore it's them breaking the agreement.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,155
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well they're missing income right now from not having events on. It was worth making the effort to negotiate with them and if they still refused then fair enough, we did all we could.
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I just don't see how 'we can't afford to spend £100k on a pitch' turns into 'ok we'll lose out on £100k in rent and you do the pitch'
 
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Dominic H

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,156
Liquid Gold said:
If it means they miss out on rent then yes.

They literally can't afford to miss out on a penny.

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They’ll be missing out on more money if we aren’t playing at the ground anytime soon
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,157
Nick said:

Homepage - The English Football League

The Official home of the English Football League
www.efl.com

It might upset some but pretty much reads the EFL are on our side.
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Based on that I can’t see next Saturday’s game going ahead either.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,158
Nick said:
Therefore it's them breaking the agreement.
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it is but what in reality are we going to do about it?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,159
Grendel said:
it is but what in reality are we going to do about it?
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What can we do about it?

We can't just spend hundreds of thousands on a pitch and stop paying the rent.
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,160
Sick Boy said:
Based on that I can’t see next Saturday’s game going ahead either.
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I think it will be reversed with pay on the gate only for Coventry fans
 
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Sky Blue Heaven

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,161
Having read our statement, I would love for the club to release a copy of the independent report which would give an indication of when the pitch “may be” playable and the remedial works required.
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,162
Dominic H said:
Ferret ur a genius, why didn’t they think of that in the first place, if boddy really cared I’m sure he would’ve thought of that, shame he’s a fat liar that loves talking shite
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Fuck off again boosh, you don’t really support the club
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,163
Grendel said:
As someone else said - the owners seem to be enjoying this
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Not as much as you are.
 
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Danceswithhorses

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,164
Nick said:
Haven't we just spent shit loads on new training pitches at Ryton?
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Indeed, and we're still miles behind most of our championship rivals
 
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Evo1883

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,165
I'm assuming in wasps next statement they won't try to be so clever

Dickheads
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,166
Liquid Gold said:
I just don't see how 'we can't afford to spend £100k on a pitch' turns into 'ok we'll lose out on £100k in rent and you do the pitch'
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I assume the rental agreement also covers what slice Wasps get of matchday revenues over and above the base rent. Income to them is also being lost by the events not happening.

I'm not suggesting the negotiation would be a given. Just that it was worth trying as a way to get us a playable pitch.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,167
Evo1883 said:
I'm assuming in wasps next statement they won't try to be so clever

Dickheads
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Some will still lap it up.

I wonder if those fans groups who cosied up to them feel so clever now.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,168
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I assume the rental agreement also covers what slice Wasps get of matchday revenues over and above the base rent. Income to them is also being lost by the events not happening.

I'm not suggesting the negotiation would be a given. Just that it was worth trying as a way to get us a playable pitch.
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Wasps will still have to pay for lost revenue though , that's a separate claim
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,169
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I assume the rental agreement also covers what slice Wasps get of matchday revenues over and above the base rent. Income to them is also being lost by the events not happening.

I'm not suggesting the negotiation would be a given. Just that it was worth trying as a way to get us a playable pitch.
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If you were able to foresee these issues then I'm sure they would have tried.

Now it's a pretty pointless debate though. What needs to be done to get us a playable surface is the issue.
 
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Sky Blue Heaven

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  • Aug 13, 2022
  • #2,170
Sky Blue Heaven said:
Having read our statement, I would love for the club to release a copy of the independent report which would give an indication of when the pitch “may be” playable and the remedial works required.
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This extract from the EFL statement is quite worrying:

“In addition, the report confirmed that there is no maintenance work possible that would make the pitch safe in time for Tuesday’s game”
 
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