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[Nick]

At the risk of repeating myself: that’s why you have clear clauses in the tenancy agreement. It’s hardly as issue that’s appeared out of nowhere. There have always been issues with it, the CWG was known about when we signed terms. It should be as simple as something saying “If Wasps don’t ensure pitch is to a reasonable standard, X happens”.

Yeah, which is why a mediator is being "called in" before legal action?

 

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[shmmeee]

But this is SISU's best chance for years of coming out of this with a long term solution.
We just need a little more patience and Wasps will hand everything to SISU on a bright shiny silver plate.

It must be 2012 again.

 

[shmmeee]

Yeah, which is why a mediator is being "called in" before legal action?

What is there to mediate?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

No, that’s one reason why I supported a new ground.

Good job Seppala backs that too, then...

 

[shmmeee]

Good job Seppala backs that too, then...

Oh wait, I forgot. This is totally happening and it’s just nasty CCC haven’t yet approved a road that is vital.

Like a kid with no homework.

 

[dadgad]

If a landlord A rents a property to B then according to the tenancy agreement A has certain legal obligations. If B reports that there’s a leak in the kitchen A pays & sends round a builder to fix so B can continue to live in property.
Currently CCFC rent a ground to play football which they cannot do. Surely the landlord is bound by law to provide and pay for a solution. SISU - we’ve been told, are legal experts, so they’ll be instructing their lawyers, no?

 

[fatso]

It must be 2012 again.

Back to the future!!!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Oh wait, I forgot. This is totally happening and it’s just nasty CCC haven’t yet approved a road that is vital.

Like a kid with no homework.

I mean ultimately we've put ourselves in the position of being beholden to others by fucking about rather than doing, haven't we. Ultimately this incident is Wasps' responsibility, but why are we even in the position of caring whether it's Wasps' responsibility or not. We should be looking on from afar, and laughing.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Aren't we allready at last resort?


Tbh, I think the pitch will be patched up and made playable (if not perfect) that will buy all sides some time, but there's still a legal matter regarding compensation.
I'm sure Wasps received money from the CWG, some of that should now go to CCFC. if there's no money available, then we should seek to push them into administration as far as I'm concerned.

As I say I think wasps understand they need to sort it and will.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

If I am included in that I absolutely do not think CCFC should have to pay for this.

It is a disgrace that Wasps are here, it is a disgrace that the pitch is not playable, the Council are a disgrace for their contribution.

I believe Wasps should have to pay but they can’t and won’t.

So what now? Play away and suffer the consequences or pay £500k to fix it. That’s not fair to the club but that is the case unfortunately and I pray that it works out for our sakes.

Don’t know why people are saying they can’t

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What is there to mediate?

What is done and how quick

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Don’t know why people are saying they can’t

If they can, why would they jeapordise their own future by not resolving it?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Well I assumed from here they’re skint and on the ropes? But whether it’s can’t or won’t it’s still not being resolved.

I don’t think it’s can’t and it’s been a week and a half almost

 

[Liquid Gold]

What percentage of the arena's revenue comes from the pitch?

If we're paying for the pitch I want that % of the arena ownership.

 

[Grendel]

Yes and it wouldn't be our pitch either, would it?

I have said, they would have to play on a pitch that is deemed safe.

You are chatting shit because of your obsession with Boddy and that Maton has been round for tea, it's a bit embarrassing really.

There is little point in continuing this discussion

 

[Liquid Gold]

If I am included in that I absolutely do not think CCFC should have to pay for this.

It is a disgrace that Wasps are here, it is a disgrace that the pitch is not playable, the Council are a disgrace for their contribution.

I believe Wasps should have to pay but they can’t and won’t.

So what now? Play away and suffer the consequences or pay £500k to fix it. That’s not fair to the club but that is the case unfortunately and I pray that it works out for our sakes.

Is it wasps or council coin?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

If they can, why would they jeapordise their own future by not resolving it?

It depends what facts we follow
Wasps should provide pitch
They havent
Will they?
How long have they known ccfc had an issue?
As I say I don’t think it’s can’t

 

[Nick]

What is there to mediate?

If Wasps will sort the fucking pitch before legal action?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It’s been since June surely?

What has?
What if wasps assumed ccfc were playing games away
Then ccfc say the pitch is unplayable and this is backed up by report
How long before you say they should have sorted it? For me it’s quicker than 10 days but that’s cause I want to watch ccfc play football

 

[Liquid Gold]

And if Wasps say no?

Then they are unsuitable landlords and we need to find an alternative while they go bust instead of propping them up.

I wouldn't be at all happy with the club selling players and threatening our Championship status to pay for something we don't own.

If we have to pay for is what do we get in return?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It depends what facts we follow
Wasps should provide pitch
They havent
Will they?
How long have they known ccfc had an issue?
As I say I don’t think it’s can’t

Let's look at it from reverse.

Pitch has had known games coming up;
Original plan was new pitch;
Wasps apparently informed CCFC there would be no new pitch;
They're aware that two clubs will be playing lots of games, along with CWG and RLWC.

If it's a 'can', wouldn't you minimise the risk to your cash flow by planning in advance? Also if it's a 'can', why would you risk your refinancing going down the pan by threats of legal action from CCFC / SISU?

 

[Liquid Gold]

I don’t know what you mean sorry do you mean to pay for the pitch or paying me to post lol

Your sole purpose to sign up here is to say CCFC should hold up the value of Wasps' asset.

What has inspired you to sign up to say that now.

Nothing when we were forced to Birmingham, nothing when we took ourselves to Northampton, nothing when Wasps arrived, nothing when we won the League, won at Wembley twice.

Shmmeee is right on one thing, this isn't 2014 and this shit doesn't wash on here anymore.

 

[CCFCSteve]

A legal obligation for a safe pitch?

I’m guessing there is a legal obligation under the lease but we don’t know some of the finer details like have we met all of our obligations under the lease, could/should we have moved initial fixtures (I know Boddys story on this) etc

So I suppose what I was saying is, I don’t know if can we take legal action/sue Wasps or a subsequently appointed administrator/receiver…and if we can what’s the likely outcome

 

[Tommo1993]

Don’t think anyone has said CCFC should pay/are responsible for it. Not at all. At the moment it just feels like the least unreasonable option out of a bunch of fucking shit options. But if they’re not even playing along with that idea then both clubs are in big trouble anyway.

And you can tell now that loads of us are growing desperate and have had enough of being a problem club. I’m certainly not up for going all in and moving away again in the hope they’ll hurry up and die.

At least I got the right post this time.

 

[Nick]

Don’t think anyone has said CCFC should pay/are responsible for it. Not at all. At the moment it just feels like the least unreasonable option out of a bunch of fucking shit options. But if they’re not even playing along with that idea then both clubs are in big trouble anyway.

And you can tell now that loads of us are growing desperate and have had enough of being a problem club. I’m certainly not up for going all in and moving away again in the hope they’ll hurry up and die.

At least I got the right post this time.

Really? Plenty have said it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Then they are unsuitable landlords and we need to find an alternative while they go bust instead of propping them up.

I wouldn't be at all happy with the club selling players and threatening our Championship status to pay for something we don't own.

If we have to pay for is what do we get in return?

Not as simple as find somewhere else with 13,000 season ticket holders a good chunk of whom may want their money back.

 

[Grendel]

Not as simple as find somewhere else with 13,000 season ticket holders a good chunk of whom may want their money back.

We'd only end up having another landlord anyway as we are unlikely to be buying it

 

[Liquid Gold]

Not as simple as find somewhere else with 13,000 season ticket holders a good chunk of whom may want their money back.

Also not as simple as paying for the pitch and all being hunky dory.

If we could get it in the press now that we would pay for it and it comes straight off all our obligations to them until it's paid back then it would be a step to see what the response is.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Will they go bust? Is that likely?

Would we have to sell Someone to stump up £500k? Could we not get it back through legal action if Wasps have fucked up?

We get a pitch to play on and don’t have to play away from home and suffer all the consequences that comes with. I imagine we would lose more than £500k doing this

Not a fucking clue about Wasps' finances and probably not a fucking clue about the history of the relationship.

Quelle fucking surprise.

 

[Nick]

Also not as simple as paying for the pitch and all being hunky dory.

If we could get it in the press now that we would pay for it and it comes straight off all our obligations to them until it's paid back then it would be a step to see what the response is.

Hasn't it already been said we offered money towards it?

 

[Ashdown]

Where has this £500k figure come from FFS. Only about 10% of that pitch is likely unplayable ?
More total speculation methinks.
Just another thought as well, when we signed up for the 10 year deal didn’t that state no more court cases or was that no more ‘ state aid’ court cases ?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Let's look at it from reverse.

Pitch has had known games coming up;
Original plan was new pitch;
Wasps apparently informed CCFC there would be no new pitch;
They're aware that two clubs will be playing lots of games, along with CWG and RLWC.

If it's a 'can', wouldn't you minimise the risk to your cash flow by planning in advance? Also if it's a 'can', why would you risk your refinancing going down the pan by threats of legal action from CCFC / SISU?

Good challenge that.
Assume wasps thought pitch would be ok to play on and ccfc not playing their games a week after cwg
Assume cwg would manage the bone dry weather
Assume they recognise the pitch isn’t good enough
Assume they recognise it’s their responsibility to sort
Assume they will and it’s about when

 

[Liquid Gold]

Hasn't it already been said we offered money towards it?

Yes, Buddy said it on Saturday.

It should be a public open letter with terms outlined.

Back the cunts into a corner and either make them do it or show them up as what they are, lying parasitic pricks.

 

[Grendel]

Where has this £500k figure come from FFS. Only about 10% of that pitch is likely unplayable ?
More total speculation methinks.
Just another thought as well, when we signed up for the 10 year deal didn’t that state no more court cases or was that no more ‘ state aid’ court cases ?

The figure for repairs is clearly far less than that

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Where has this £500k figure come from FFS. Only about 10% of that pitch is likely unplayable ?
More total speculation methinks.
Just another thought as well, when we signed up for the 10 year deal didn’t that state no more court cases or was that no more ‘ state aid’ court cases ?

Perhaps no more historic ones but you can’t stifle a partner and stop them making legal redress where necessary