Evidence does seem to lean towards him telling the truth.
What do you feel is underhand?
I've seen evidence that they thought about PR responses, like every organisation ever, and that they possibly didn't send an email they said they would.
Not sure it's on the same level as "Give me the Ricoh or the club gets it" to be honest.
As I said in the original thread, it's hardly a smoking gun and that is from Sisu's statement. God knows how benign it would look if presented by an unbiased body.
We would want this arrangement to be kept entirely private between
ourselves to allow us to conclude a rent deal with SISU... Our
concern is that they will walk away from the table if they think that
we have reached an arrangement with YB.
That whilst still negotiating with Sisu was pretty shabby i'd have thought, if the other way round would be pretty much condemned by all on here, quite correctly.
Evidence does seem to lean towards him telling the truth.
That whilst still negotiating with Sisu was pretty shabby i'd have thought, if the other way round would be pretty much condemned by all on here, quite correctly.
I think we'll have to accept different personal standards then, because I honestly don't see anything wrong with that. By your logic Sisu not telling the council where they are planning to build a new ground, or not even telling them they were planning that, is just as bad.
All seems like normal cut and thrust of negotiations TBH and I'm still not sure it shows anything that suggests they are out to hurt the club, which is the accusation that several on here are claiming this proves.
Sisu did tell the council, well ACL, that they were planning to build a new ground, after CCC took over the loan, and wanted to arrange a run-off period of three years rental(which would have been indefinite in reality), but it was rejected out of hand.
According to Fisher he had been looking at a new ground before CCC lent Acl the money. Therefore he was negotiating with the council whilst also considering a new ground.
Was he being underhand?
When did he say he was looking at a new ground?
December 2012
Are you sure?
Are you sure?
Here's the more relevant question:
If you are concerned that should Sisu not completed the YB deal that Joy will liquidate the club (as threatened) would you tell her you're thinking of gazumping her?
The only issue for me hinges on why CCC pulled out of the deal. If it was "we hate Sisu and we want new owners" then you have something. If it was "This deal is bad for us/bad for Coventry as a city" then what's the issue?
I think the former, purely because of the undue weight that Hoffman and Elliott seem to pull locally.
Planting ideas of rich American Property developers who will take all their problems away amd redevelop the whole area for them.
Had to be tempting to try and "force" the issue.
And I think latter, problem is neither of us have any evidence and are unlikely to until we hear the Council's defence in the JR.
Agreed. If the CCC officers have followed procedure and done their job properly then the latter. If they have been malicious and this can be proved, then they leave themselves open to prosection (potentially). Pretty serious allegation to make at this stage without any evideince to hand I would have thought.
And I am still getting accused by a few of being on one side when I am trying to keep my mind open on the matter
And I am still getting accused by a few of being on one side when I am trying to keep my mind open on the matter
Frankly if you and me are part of Weber Shandwick then ACL should ask for their money back!
Over the years you've been doing very well to get paid by both!
So we can conclude you're just a fan of arguing?
So we can conclude you're just a fan of arguing?
Guilty as charged.
As the saying goes: Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in the mud: after a while you realise the pig likes it.
Are you an engineer as well?
I wanted to be either a maths teacher or solicitor. But I ended up leaving home at 15. Made it slightly difficult. Did my training in my 20's to become a mechanical engineer. Bit late now to do anything about it as would have loved to go into teaching. Just had lots of kids instead
Frankly I wouldn't go in now. Everyone I know is looking at their escape route since Gove came in and undid all the progress of the last 20 years. Maths is the most frustrating subject to teach as well. I had a look at Law as a second (well fourth) career but to be honest it doesn't seem that good once you get there either, I think I've been watching too many courtroom dramas.
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