Does a judicial review enable a response to be made ?? If this is indeed the case why wasn't it brought nearer the event ? Why not just Publish the evidence?I am only trying to draw facts from what JF has said. We can assume these facts as TF states them will be disputed by the other parties.
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grego_gee
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Ok we all know PWKH would not agree (he wouldn't even agree with any one of 18 "facts" I tried to isolate from his own account of Lawnmowergate!). I personally can't see TF making statements that are complete contradictions of what will shortly come out in the wash anyway! specially in the JR!
But this points to 3 surprising conclusions.
1. SISU were prepared last year to pay in the order of £25m for an extended deal to continue to work in tandem with ACL. ie showing ongoing commitment that many have doubted. AND that there were NOT determined to break ACL!
2. Did not CCFC start to withhold rent in April 2012? if so that was while these negotiations were still ongoing (Terms were signed with HIGGS on 18.6.2012 AFTER this)
3. When the Council decided to go ahead with funding of £14.4m to bail out ACL they already had a deal on the table for SISU to pay it!
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But this points to 3 surprising conclusions.
1. SISU were prepared last year to pay in the order of £25m for an extended deal to continue to work in tandem with ACL. ie showing ongoing commitment that many have doubted. AND that there were NOT determined to break ACL!
2. Did not CCFC start to withhold rent in April 2012? if so that was while these negotiations were still ongoing (Terms were signed with HIGGS on 18.6.2012 AFTER this)
3. When the Council decided to go ahead with funding of £14.4m to bail out ACL they already had a deal on the table for SISU to pay it!
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lordsummerisle
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But we did it in front of a lot of disappointed people which makes us bigger than somebody winning something in front of only a few happy people apaprently.
Tim Fisher has made many contradictions compared to what has come out in the wash, other people than you call this lieing.
lordsummerisle
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Only the dyslexic ones.
Spelling humour truly the tool of a razor sharp wit.
lordsummerisle
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Your auto-correct working now then?
I've inadvertedly turned mine on . Bloody annoying all these red lines ,there's one under inadvertedly as I type.
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You should do stand up, there doesn't seem to be a current comedian focused on grammar or spelling, perhaps thats your niche
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And we'll never be told.. and the true value of these alleged deals can't be understood unless information about the figures involved are disclosed.
Hobo
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Why are SISU always reactive in there policy statements, doesn't breed trust or confidence does it? When the pressure is on they start bleating and pointing the finger, playing catch up once people start seeing things as they are.
Joy doesn't want to be in the public eye that's her choice. Yes it is. But it leaves me thinking she is distancing herself from the squalid mess or leaving Fisher as the fall guy if it all goes wrong (and I mean verging on the criminal there) or is it just because she knows it is at the very least immoral?
As for her deserving a statue for her investment...well I thought she wanted privacy. also what's the point? No one would know who it was!
Whatever it's one Seppala of a mess: a tangled web of financial dealings, possibly illegal .
Joy doesn't want to be in the public eye that's her choice. Yes it is. But it leaves me thinking she is distancing herself from the squalid mess or leaving Fisher as the fall guy if it all goes wrong (and I mean verging on the criminal there) or is it just because she knows it is at the very least immoral?
As for her deserving a statue for her investment...well I thought she wanted privacy. also what's the point? No one would know who it was!
Whatever it's one Seppala of a mess: a tangled web of financial dealings, possibly illegal .
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James Smith
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Or accuse you of being someone you're not.:laugh:
I love the idea that Grendel actually thinks I'm PWKH, I have had a good laugh over that.
play_in_skyblue_stripes
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"But we did it in front of a lot of disappointed people which makes us bigger than somebody winning something in front of only a few happy people apaprently."
Not surprising that I agree with you lordsummerisle.
I seem to remember Coventry took 60 000 to the charity shield in 1987. How many clubs could do that?
In first years of top flight we had something like 5th highest attendances in the country, check the stats. Those were the good times economic wise for Coventry in a similar way that other towns ot cities like Reading are now doing quite well.
Yes there are of course bigger clubs that Coventry City. However just because Coventry City are pretty crap most of the time does NOT make us a small club with no potential . Someone has to tap into the potential and SISU are not the ones it seems.
This may annoy some people but part of the problem with Coventry is directly linked to the fans and small time thinking and acceptance of failure over the years. Never truer than now and almost accepting what SISU are trying to do to us. Yes after a while it does get you down particularly since relegation 2001. but dont let SISU condemn us to permanent obsecurity with a 12K stadium or without a ground and 1K crowds at away "home" games.
Not surprising that I agree with you lordsummerisle.
I seem to remember Coventry took 60 000 to the charity shield in 1987. How many clubs could do that?
In first years of top flight we had something like 5th highest attendances in the country, check the stats. Those were the good times economic wise for Coventry in a similar way that other towns ot cities like Reading are now doing quite well.
Yes there are of course bigger clubs that Coventry City. However just because Coventry City are pretty crap most of the time does NOT make us a small club with no potential . Someone has to tap into the potential and SISU are not the ones it seems.
This may annoy some people but part of the problem with Coventry is directly linked to the fans and small time thinking and acceptance of failure over the years. Never truer than now and almost accepting what SISU are trying to do to us. Yes after a while it does get you down particularly since relegation 2001. but dont let SISU condemn us to permanent obsecurity with a 12K stadium or without a ground and 1K crowds at away "home" games.
James Smith
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But according to the notes from the CCLSG he said [replica] kits are in hand but being held up until our club comes out of administration. Fine except that our Club isn't in administration according to TF, he says our Club is in Holdings not Ltd (in administration). So is he contradicting himself, why can't they just release the kits if we're not in administration like he says?Ok we all know PWKH would not agree (he wouldn't even agree with any one of 18 "facts" I tried to isolate from his own account of Lawnmowergate!). I personally can't see TF making statements that are complete contradictions of what will shortly come out in the wash anyway! specially in the JR!
But this points to 3 surprising conclusions.
1. SISU were prepared last year to pay in the order of £25m for an extended deal to continue to work in tandem with ACL. ie showing ongoing commitment that many have doubted. AND that there were NOT determined to break ACL!
2. Did not CCFC start to withhold rent in April 2012? if so that was while these negotiations were still ongoing (Terms were signed with HIGGS on 18.6.2012 AFTER this)
3. When the Council decided to go ahead with funding of £14.4m to bail out ACL they already had a deal on the table for SISU to pay it!
Or are there two parallel universes colliding in CV6 where both situations are correct?
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simple_simon
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But who wants a bloody new kit, I want our football club back
James Smith
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I was at the Charity Shield and the atmosphere was electric, not quite as good as the Cup Final (especially after the final whistle) but still the most amazing day.
James Smith
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Amen to that!
James Smith
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+1 I can't imagine why ACL haven't taken Tim to task (legally or otherwise) on previous statements he's made that contained inaccuracies.
grego_gee
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Hey thats AMAZING,
I can't think why he would say that!
Funny you hang on every word he says when it demonstrates what you want to think, then say he always lies when somebody points to things that don't suit your want.
That's objective!
imp:dongonzalos
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How many clubs did get a crowd of 30000 this season for a competitive match?
stupot07
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£5 and people thought they were getting a guaranteed Wembley ticket...how many were at the previous tie or the league game on the following Saturday?
dongonzalos
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If it was just to get the wembley ticket you could not turn up, to watch the match. It looked pretty full to me.
It was the first taste of any form of success for what seems like an eternity.
Do you know how many teams got 30 k or more this season for a competitive match?
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ccfcway
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bingo .
Nonleagueherewecome
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Very well said. It's the passionate argument from CCFC supporters that we are a small club now and will be for ever more that are most dis-heartening at the moment. The very idea of supporters of this club actually wanting us to to be playing in a pathetic little lower league ground rather than a Premier League standard stadium is very sad. We are potentially a mid-table top-flight side, yet many would rule that out ever happening again-which it certainly won't with such a lack of ambition.
stupot07
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Are you denying that £5 per ticket and a chance to get a Wembley ticket had nothing do do with the crowd?
35k watched Grimsby vs Wrexham in the FA trophy final. They must be bigger than us.
Sky Blues
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According to that source you referenced earlier in this thread, Grimsby are a bigger club than us. Given it was a cup final and Wrexham are, that website says, the 71st biggest club and therefore, one might assume, bringing at least 7000-odd fans, it could be said that was a pretty poor turnout...
ajsccfc
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How many clubs see two thirds of their stadium sit completely empty for the other 25 or so competitive matches in a season?
Brighton Sky Blue
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What do you think our crowds would be at the top end of the Championship/bottom half PL?
Brighton Sky Blue
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I suppose it comes down to things beyond league position. CCFC is unique in its record of no league success over an enormous (for football) timeframe. No club does nothing for over 40 years and fills its ground to the rafters-yes you can point to '87 but it was just one glorious day in the sun.
stupot07
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Completely agree, which is why we're not a big club. We're not a small club either, mind.
dongonzalos
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The potential is there and is shown whenever we get a sniff of a successful run.