Championship 21/22 (17 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Wycombe v MK Dons (Thurs)
Sunderland v Sheff Wed (Fri)

What do we reckon

My 50p is on MK Dons (Sheff Wed to play them in the final?_

 

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[Tommo1993]

Hoping for Sheff Wed to come up.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Wycombe to squeeze their way through the play-offs again.

 

[lifeskyblue]

Wycombe to squeeze their way through the play-offs again.

That would be best result for us…so yes I would settle for that.
Sheff or Sunderland would be better equipped for the championship to achieve safety or a mid table finish


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[no_loyalty]

Wycombe to squeeze their way through the play-offs again.

Ideal, should be an easy 6 points next season then.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That would be best result for us…so yes I would settle for that.
Sheff or Sunderland would be better equipped for the championship to achieve safety or a mid table finish


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Certainly. Dare I say MK Dons are a bigger problem for them than either of the big counterparts. If they can beat MK over 2 legs they’ll beat whoever comes through the other tie

 

[TwistAndShoutCCFC1987]

Wycombe v MK Dons (Thurs)
Sunderland v Sheff Wed (Fri)

What do we reckon

My 50p is on MK Dons (Sheff Wed to play them in the final?_

Hoping for MK as want us to take 8k there next year. Also think they will do it.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Sunderland v Wednesday is absurd for a L1 playoff game while Brentford v Bournemouth is a PL fixture

 

[rexo87]

Wycombe v MK Dons (Thurs)
Sunderland v Sheff Wed (Fri)

What do we reckon

My 50p is on MK Dons (Sheff Wed to play them in the final?_

MK are by far the best side but can see Wycombe shithousing them and beating them in the semis. Think Wednesday will beat Sunderland then beat Wycombe in the final

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[Deleted member 5849]

Want MK to go bust so, unless coming up means they spunk loads of cash they don't have, they can get their bottom beaten by all and sundry as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Happy_Martian]

Want MK to go bust so, unless coming up means they spunk loads of cash they don't have, they can get their bottom beaten by all and sundry as far as I'm concerned.

If they can cash in on Scott Twine, that should keep them going another season or so. And therein lies MKs problem. Twine has been such a standout for them this season, he's unlikely to be there next. Instead he'll be playing for Everton's, Crystal Palace's or Southampton's reserves. And I can't see MK being a big enough draw to pull in Championship standard replacements.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

If they can cash in on Scott Twine, that should keep them going another season or so. And therein lies MKs problem. Twine has been such a standout for them this season, he's unlikely to be there next. Instead he'll be playing for Everton's, Crystal Palace's or Southampton's reserves. And I can't see MK being a big enough draw to pull in Championship standard replacements.

With their away capacity being 6-7k, they will get decent crowds in The Championship as a result. In L1 they will only really have had about 5 teams capable of taking that many (and that is due to so many big clubs being currently in there). In The Championship, that amount increases, plus extra home crowd interest. They are in a much better place than e.g. Wycombe or Rotherham in terms of ticket revenue.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Hoping for MK as want us to take 8k there next year. Also think they will do it.

Attracts a large following but it’s a rubbish day out. Much prefer Sheffield Wednesday to come up

 

[fernandopartridge]

Attracts a large following but it’s a rubbish day out. Much prefer Sheffield Wednesday to come up

Agreed and at Wednesday itself you get nearly 4k tickets and could even get up to 8k if the demand is there.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Exclusive: EFL to use Var technology in Championship play-offs

Clubs fighting for promotion have been offered the option of Var and it is understood the responses have been overwhelmingly positive

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[Legia Sky Blue]

I would rather MK or Wycombe come up as they are more likely to finish below us next season than the other 2 teams. We also have a good record against both. MK looked pretty good against Plymouth, but Wycombe pose an altogether different problem with their physicality and long ball game and it might not be as easy for MK as some imagine. I've got a feeling Sheff Wed will come through the other game, as i think the play off pressure will play more heavily on Sunderland.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Exclusive: EFL to use Var technology in Championship play-offs

Clubs fighting for promotion have been offered the option of Var and it is understood the responses have been overwhelmingly positive

www.telegraph.co.uk

Fuck that, determined to ruin the game

 

[SBT]

Indeed. The closed shop Super League in all but name.

Think parachute payments are in dire need of an overhaul, but again, rhetoric like this is massively overblown. The EPL is far from a closed shop, yo-yo clubs are not a modern phenomenon, and there are plenty of them who snap out of it anyway.

 

[Frostie]

Think parachute payments are in dire need of an overhaul, but again, rhetoric like this is massively overblown. The EPL is far from a closed shop, yo-yo clubs are not a modern phenomenon, and there are plenty of them who snap out of it anyway.

Ok, since the introduction of Parachute Payments & FFP, how many clubs have ever been promoted to the Premier League without either being in receipt of them or failing FFP?

 

[SBT]

Ok, since the introduction of Parachute Payments & FFP, how many clubs have ever been promoted to the Premier League without either being in receipt of them or failing FFP?

I don't know. Has it meant that a smaller number of clubs are getting access to Premier League football than before?

 

[Frostie]

I don't know. Has it meant that a smaller number of clubs are getting access to Premier League football than before?

2 clubs. Ever.

Yes, unless they want to overstretch financially & risk oblivion to do so.
Teams in receipt of Parachute Payments are 3 times as likely to be promoted & it's only getting worse as the payments are getting bigger.

 

[SBT]

2 clubs. Ever.

Yes, unless they want to overstretch financially & risk oblivion to do so.
Teams in receipt of Parachute Payments are 3 times as likely to be promoted & it's only getting worse as the payments are getting bigger.

Was there ever an era of professional football where clubs didn't have to gamble financially to reach the big time?

The avenues to playing EPL football are surely changing, but they still exist. The number of different teams who have played in the EPL over the last 10 years is the same as it was for the EPL's first 10 years. And yo-yo teams don't stay that way forever.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

2 clubs. Ever.

Yes, unless they want to overstretch financially & risk oblivion to do so.
Teams in receipt of Parachute Payments are 3 times as likely to be promoted & it's only getting worse as the payments are getting bigger.

Who are they, guess Huddersfield were one?

 

[Liquid Gold]

Who are they, guess Huddersfield were one?

Burnley first time around?

 

[Frostie]

Was there ever an era of professional football where clubs didn't have to gamble financially to reach the big time?

The avenues to playing EPL football are surely changing, but they still exist. The number of different teams who have played in the EPL over the last 10 years is the same as it was for the EPL's first 10 years. And yo-yo teams don't stay that way forever.

Bit the gap is getting wider & wider due to all the money being at the top end of the pyramid, surely you can see this?

When Parachute Payments were first introduced clubs got a one off £10.5m to help them readjust to the loss of income brought on by relegation. They are now eligible for approx £95m over 3 years, £45m in the first year alone. Because of this there's little incentive to manage their finances properly & instead they now spend it on new players & crazy contracts.

Comparing over 10 year periods is ok but the money they receive is going up exponentially every time the PL renegotiates its funding deals so the chasm is only widening.

• Clubs with parachute payments were three times more likely to get promoted over the past four seasons, (a 22 per cent chance of going up versus 7.3 per cent for those without the extra funding), compared to twice as likely from 2006 to 2017
• Non-parachute clubs are three times more likely to be relegated to League One (15.9 per cent vs 4.9 per cent), a change from being one-and-half times more likely over the previous period.
• The average value of parachute payments for each club per season has increased significantly from £12.8m between 2006 and 2015 to £29.5m over the last five years.
• The average points gap between parachute and non-parachute clubs increased from +5 in 2017 to +8.6 over the last four seasons

Parachute payment clubs are THREE times more likely to go up

EXCLUSIVE: Sportsmail has seen independent research conducted by Sheffield Hallam Uni into the impact of parachute payments, with the authors concluding that they distort competition.

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[Frostie]

Who are they, guess Huddersfield were one?

And Brentford

 

[SBT]

Bit the gap is getting wider & wider due to all the money being at the top end of the pyramid, surely you can see this?

When Parachute Payments were first introduced clubs got a one off £10.5m to help them readjust to the loss of income brought on by relegation. They are now eligible for approx £95m over 3 years, £45m in the first year alone. Because of this there's little incentive to manage their finances properly & instead they now spend it on new players & crazy contracts.

Comparing over 10 year periods is ok but the money they receive is going up exponentially every time the PL renegotiates its funding deals so the chasm is only widening.

• Clubs with parachute payments were three times more likely to get promoted over the past four seasons, (a 22 per cent chance of going up versus 7.3 per cent for those without the extra funding), compared to twice as likely from 2006 to 2017
• Non-parachute clubs are three times more likely to be relegated to League One (15.9 per cent vs 4.9 per cent), a change from being one-and-half times more likely over the previous period.
• The average value of parachute payments for each club per season has increased significantly from £12.8m between 2006 and 2015 to £29.5m over the last five years.
• The average points gap between parachute and non-parachute clubs increased from +5 in 2017 to +8.6 over the last four seasons

Parachute payment clubs are THREE times more likely to go up

EXCLUSIVE: Sportsmail has seen independent research conducted by Sheffield Hallam Uni into the impact of parachute payments, with the authors concluding that they distort competition.

www.google.com

As I said, the parachute payment system is ridiculous and needs an overhaul. But I think it's telling that even with such a gross distortion built into the system, there's still enough competitive variety in who wins promotion. Today's yo-yo clubs are tomorrow's also-rans (Birmingham, Reading, Sunderland), or can even become legitimate outfits (Leicester, West Ham, Wolves) - we're clearly not locked into an endless loop of the same teams going up and then down. As long as that stays true, I don't see how you can call the EPL a "Super League", any more than you can claim that elite European football has been "destroyed", as you did the other night.

I share your worries about growing inequality, but I think the margins are more fine than you're acknowledging here - Fulham's parachute payments and FFP magic were only good enough to get them a play-off spot the last two times, for example.

 

[Frostie]

As I said, the parachute payment system is ridiculous and needs an overhaul. But I think it's telling that even with such a gross distortion built into the system, there's still enough competitive variety in who wins promotion. Today's yo-yo clubs are tomorrow's also-rans (Birmingham, Reading, Sunderland), or can even become legitimate outfits (Leicester, West Ham, Wolves) - we're clearly not locked into an endless loop of the same teams going up and then down. As long as that stays true, I don't see how you can call the EPL a "Super League", any more than you can claim that elite European football has been "destroyed", as you did the other night.

I share your worries about growing inequality, but I think the margins are more fine than you're acknowledging here - Fulham's parachute payments and FFP magic were only good enough to get them a play-off spot the last two times, for example.

Fair enough if you don't see an issue with a relegated PL club having 3 times as much opportunity of promotion as everyone else as an issue but I do, especially when we have clubs on the verge of going out of business trying to keep up.

I maintain that the competitiveness of top level European football is at an all time low too & again, getting worse.
The Champions League used to be about exactly that, the Champions of the top European leagues going head to head with each other. Now it's 2-3 teams from the Premier League in the Quarter Finals almost every season as other teams can't compete with them financially.

 

[SBT]

Fair enough if you don't see an issue with a relegated PL club having 3 times as much opportunity of promotion as everyone else as an issue but I do, especially when we have clubs on the verge of going out of business trying to keep up.

I maintain that the competitiveness of top level European football is at an all time low too & again, getting worse.
The Champions League used to be about exactly that, the Champions of the top European leagues going head to head with each other. Now it's 2-3 teams from the Premier League in the Quarter Finals almost every season as other teams can't compete with them financially.

Well a relegated PL club is almost always going to have a substantially higher chance of promotion, but as I said, we all agree there are changes that can be made there - I just don't share your view that the PL has already become a closed shop.

Europe is a different story, but there have always been long periods where teams from one country have dominated European competition. So long as it doesn't become entrenched and the quality stays high, the fans don't seem to mind - I'm yet to see any evidence that fans are losing interest.

 

[no_loyalty]

2 clubs. Ever.

Yes, unless they want to overstretch financially & risk oblivion to do so.
Teams in receipt of Parachute Payments are 3 times as likely to be promoted & it's only getting worse as the payments are getting bigger.

Is Blackpool one of them?

 

[SBAndy]

Today's yo-yo clubs are tomorrow's also-rans (Birmingham, Reading, Sunderland), or can even become legitimate outfits (Leicester, West Ham, Wolves)

Always helps being taken over by billionaires I suppose.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Always helps being taken over by billionaires I suppose.

We welcomed the billionaires with open arms. It drove up prices and wages to the point where an obscene TV deal was needed to help other clubs meet the new financial reality.

Then we pumped up the parachute payments because relegated clubs would have been paying wages from another universe. Clubs in this league then have a choice of finding a tycoon, gambling, or squeezing out a mini miracle on a level budget.

If you want to whore out your leagues to billionaires that is the consequence.

 

[Frostie]

Is Blackpool one of them?

Predated FFP

 

[robbiethemole]

Always helps being taken over by billionaires I suppose.

On a side note, rumours of potential takeovers for Sunderland and Blues, are these basket cases of clubs a better bet than us?
When will our bi-annual rumour of a “ bid “ be on the news?

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

On a side note, rumours of potential takeovers for Sunderland and Blues, are these basket cases of clubs a better bet than us?
When will our bi-annual rumour of a “ bid “ be on the news?

Sunderland quite obviously are