Championship 22-23 (47 Viewers)

Otis · Apr 25, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
Same as we just need referees to referee properly.

If technology is controlled by humans it'll always have human error. If a game's played by humans that make mistakes, then the officials making mistakes is what offers some excitement and unpredictability rather than it being deathly dull where you may as well ditch playing the game and just run it through the computer, stopping the we woz robbed tales of woe.

The answer is probably to increase referees' salaries so more want to do it and there's a wider pool of competent ones. We pay the players enough, we can start to reward the good officials.

And accept that mistakes happen.

I think last night was the perfect case in point for the existence of VAR. The play was stopped. That goes to VAR and it's no penalty. That was the perfect case in point how it can work and not disrupt the game at all.

And let's not pretend that goals aren't disallowed anyway and cheers for goals aren't quashed. It's not on the same level at all, but you can always find instances of where a goal is given, the fans cheer, but then after consulting with the assistant, the goal is disallowed.

A good referee on a higher salary, would still have probably given that penalty last night.

VAR is here to stay. There's too much money in the game and too much at risk not to have it. One bad decision could mean the difference of multi millions of pounds.

We just need to make it better and not so picky and not analyse everything within an inch of its life.

It's here to stay.

shmmeee · Apr 25, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
Same as we just need referees to referee properly.

If technology is controlled by humans it'll always have human error. If a game's played by humans that make mistakes, then the officials making mistakes is what offers some excitement and unpredictability rather than it being deathly dull where you may as well ditch playing the game and just run it through the computer, stopping the we woz robbed tales of woe.

The answer is probably to increase referees' salaries so more want to do it and there's a wider pool of competent ones. We pay the players enough, we can start to reward the good officials.

And accept that mistakes happen.

Would you get rid of goal line tech?

The Philosopher · Apr 25, 2023

There was slight contact in the Morris pen so he won’t get a Godden style ban.

WRT VAR I think there are times when it should be used but not for every incident and thereby not ruin the flow of the game.

I remember the debate about technology in cricket, and TBF I think they’ve got it about right.

Maybe trial 2 appeals per match where the pitch captain can ask the Ref to review an incident? Same as cricket: lose an appeal and you only have one left, lose two then you can’t appeal, win an appeal and you keep it etc.

Sounds ridiculous- maybe it is, but it’d stop the shirt pulling for corners and the off the ball kicking of Gyok.

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Apr 25, 2023

PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
Godden did

Sorry 1 in 4 but you get my point.Rules are there use them

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Apr 25, 2023

The Philosopher said:
Sounds ridiculous- maybe it is, but it’d stop the shirt pulling for corners

Could I add blatant pushing a player with their hand in the back as they are about to head the ball .

The Philosopher · Apr 25, 2023

Next up Blackburn v Burnley.

“Cotton Mills Derby”

We’re all Burnley fans tonight I guess.

Burnley might not want to take their foot off the gas for this one.

Sky Blue Harry H · Apr 25, 2023

The Philosopher said:
Next up Blackburn v Burnley.

“Cotton Mills Derby”

We’re all Burnley fans tonight I guess.

Burnley might not want to take their foot off the gas for this one.

Burnley will be up for it, as will their fans (albeit limited to 2k)

Otis · Apr 25, 2023

The Philosopher said:
Next up Blackburn v Burnley.

“Cotton Mills Derby”

We’re all Burnley fans tonight I guess.

Burnley might not want to take their foot off the gas for this one.

No doubt about it. There is a very fierce rivalry between Burnley and Blackburn. Burnley will very much want to win this one and hurt Blackburn's chances at the same time.

SkyBlueSoul · Apr 25, 2023

Sales are appalling for what is a very intense local derby. I know Rovers attendances have been low for a while but still. I'm guessing it's general apathy towards the club mixed with not wanting to see Burnley win the league in their own back yard.

Frostie · Apr 25, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
Same as we just need referees to referee properly.

If technology is controlled by humans it'll always have human error. If a game's played by humans that make mistakes, then the officials making mistakes is what offers some excitement and unpredictability rather than it being deathly dull where you may as well ditch playing the game and just run it through the computer, stopping the we woz robbed tales of woe.

The answer is probably to increase referees' salaries so more want to do it and there's a wider pool of competent ones. We pay the players enough, we can start to reward the good officials.

And accept that mistakes happen.

You have 22 players on the pitch actively & intentionally cheating & looking to con the officials non-stop for the entirety of the match & we are outraged when eventually they get a decision wrong. Simple answer is, stop cheating.

SkyblueDad · Apr 25, 2023

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Burnley will be up for it, as will their fans (albeit limited to 2k)

And they well angry about it, their allocation has been halved which they say is unnecessary and spiteful because of Burnley doing so well, no love lost up there, I fancy a spicy game tonight.

napolimp · Apr 25, 2023

Might be overthinking this, but would a draw possibly be a better result tonight? If Sheffield United beat West Brom tomorrow, they would then still have a slim shout at the title. They would surely have to go for it against Preston. Although then again, if Preston get a result against Sheffield United, they will have something to play for on the final day against Sunderland.

Balli001 · Apr 25, 2023

napolimp said:
Might be overthinking this, but would a draw possibly be a better result tonight? If Sheffield United beat West Brom tomorrow, they would then still have a slim shout at the title. They would surely have to go for it against Preston. Although then again, if Preston get a result against Sheffield United, they will have something to play for on the final day against Sunderland.

If we win Saturday Preston are irrelevant really based on goal difference

Sky Blue Harry H · Apr 25, 2023

Balli001 said:
If we win Saturday Preston are irrelevant really based on goal difference

Perhaps not in relation to Sunderland, though - which might be just as important.

Northeast sky blue · Apr 25, 2023

I think Sunderland could win the last two, Watford at home and then a Preston side who could have nothing to play for

Balli001 · Apr 25, 2023

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Perhaps not in relation to Sunderland, though - which might be just as important.

We need 2 teams to finish above us to stop us making it. Even if Sunderland get maximum points if we beat blues there's only 3 other teams who could get above us and 2 of those play each other.

mark82 · Apr 25, 2023

Balli001 said:
We need 2 teams to finish above us to stop us making it. Even if Sunderland get maximum points if we beat blues there's only 3 other teams who could get above us and 2 of those play each other.

Depending on results tonight & tomorrow.

Edit: just realised you mean 3 other than Sunderland.

Sky Blue Harry H · Apr 25, 2023

Balli001 said:
We need 2 teams to finish above us to stop us making it. Even if Sunderland get maximum points if we beat blues there's only 3 other teams who could get above us and 2 of those play each other.

Think we need to see who has done what on Saturday. I do suspect there'll be some downing of tools from PNE v Sunderland (if they've lost at Sheff Utd) although Watford (despite being a weird bunch) do have the attack to score goals at Sunderland. Supporting Watford and Blackpool in secret on Saturday. Brain overload territory.

Balli001 · Apr 25, 2023

mark82 said:
Depending on results tonight & tomorrow.

Edit: just realised you mean 3 other than Sunderland.

Yes depends on them both losing this week. Should that happen tho and we win on Saturday we would need either a point or a severe goal swing to stop us getting there if my maths works

play_in_skyblue_stripes · Apr 25, 2023

SkyBlueSoul said:
Sales are appalling for what is a very intense local derby. I know Rovers attendances have been low for a while but still. I'm guessing it's general apathy towards the club mixed with not wanting to see Burnley win the league in their own back yard.

Yes looked at thir seat map. If it wasn't 30 gbp, I would fancy the 20 mile trip to watch it. Same would be true for Sheffield Utd v WBA except I'm sure tickets sales for that are very high.

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Apr 25, 2023

SIR ERNIE said:
Cameron Archer reminds me of a young Callum Wilson. Lightning quick off the mark and always looking for space.

Should have signed him up at the beginning of the season or perhaps next season.

SkyBlueSoul · Apr 25, 2023

play_in_skyblue_stripes said:
Yes looked at thir seat map. If it wasn't 30 gbp, I would fancy the 20 mile trip to watch it. Same would be true for Sheffield Utd v WBA except I'm sure tickets sales for that are very high.

Ha same, I'm busy moving house but if I wasn't I'd have gone

richnrg · Apr 25, 2023

Otis said:
I think last night was the perfect case in point for the existence of VAR. The play was stopped. That goes to VAR and it's no penalty. That was the perfect case in point how it can work and not disrupt the game at all.

And let's not pretend that goals aren't disallowed anyway and cheers for goals aren't quashed. It's not on the same level at all, but you can always find instances of where a goal is given, the fans cheer, but then after consulting with the assistant, the goal is disallowed.

A good referee on a higher salary, would still have probably given that penalty last night.

VAR is here to stay. There's too much money in the game and too much at risk not to have it. One bad decision could mean the difference of multi millions of pounds.

We just need to make it better and not so picky and not analyse everything within an inch of its life.

It's here to stay.

As there was a slight touch (after the player had begun his dive) then I think the penalty would still have been given with VAR. I don't agree that it should be a penalty, but pretty sure it would have stood.
Yes, some goals are disallowed without VAR, as you say, but its about 2 or 3 per season per league.

Living in Bournemouth I have taken my lad to all Bournemouth home games for the last few years, so feel I am in a good position to comment on VAR. Bournemouth have had a season with VAR, followed (after relegation) by a season without VAR (and now have it again). Trust me, live games are much, much better without VAR.

David O'Day · Apr 25, 2023

The Philosopher said:
There was slight contact in the Morris pen so he won’t get a Godden style ban.

WRT VAR I think there are times when it should be used but not for every incident and thereby not ruin the flow of the game.

I remember the debate about technology in cricket, and TBF I think they’ve got it about right.

Maybe trial 2 appeals per match where the pitch captain can ask the Ref to review an incident? Same as cricket: lose an appeal and you only have one left, lose two then you can’t appeal, win an appeal and you keep it etc.

Sounds ridiculous- maybe it is, but it’d stop the shirt pulling for corners and the off the ball kicking of Gyok.

the player himself said there was no contact

who's wum account is this

Happy_Martian · Apr 25, 2023

So using my abysmal football knowledge and luck, I've put a couple of quids worth of 10p bets on Blackburn, West Brom, Sunderland and Millwall to win their respective games up to and including Saturday. Oh, and I haven't missed us out. 10p on Birmingham as well

The next 72 hours are really going to be squeaky bum time

Macca1987 · Apr 25, 2023

HM hope you're a couple of quid down on Saturday evening

Otis · Apr 25, 2023

richnrg said:
As there was a slight touch (after the player had begun his dive) then I think the penalty would still have been given with VAR. I don't agree that it should be a penalty, but pretty sure it would have stood.
Yes, some goals are disallowed without VAR, as you say, but its about 2 or 3 per season per league.

Living in Bournemouth I have taken my lad to all Bournemouth home games for the last few years, so feel I am in a good position to comment on VAR. Bournemouth have had a season with VAR, followed (after relegation) by a season without VAR (and now have it again). Trust me, live games are much, much better without VAR.

Yup, I am sure live they are for the supporter, but the game is not just about the supporters anymore. You only need to look to Sky to prove that. Games moved all over the place so they can cover them.

Mcbean · Apr 25, 2023

Otis said:
Yup, I am sure live they are for the supporter, but the game is not just about the supporters anymore. You only need to look to Sky to prove that. Games moved all over the place so they can cover them.

@Otis when does the train ticket announcement come - i mean its bitter already on fb for phase 3 &4s

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Apr 25, 2023

thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
But if refs. punished it it would,same as time wasting book the first one and it will stop.On Saterday when all our player were subbed They should have left the field at the nearest point non of them did. The one that innoys me are shaking hand with their side on leaving the field having already been told to get a move on if this happens the player should be booked if has already been booked so be it.The oncoming player does not come onThe rules are there application isn't.

Basically the ref should count to ten and if the player hasn't gone off he's booked. Another ten and he's off.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Apr 25, 2023

richnrg said:
As there was a slight touch (after the player had begun his dive) then I think the penalty would still have been given with VAR. I don't agree that it should be a penalty, but pretty sure it would have stood.
Yes, some goals are disallowed without VAR, as you say, but its about 2 or 3 per season per league.

Living in Bournemouth I have taken my lad to all Bournemouth home games for the last few years, so feel I am in a good position to comment on VAR. Bournemouth have had a season with VAR, followed (after relegation) by a season without VAR (and now have it again). Trust me, live games are much, much better without VAR.

I agree, but I think that could be solved with the way you do the VAR. Rather than having everybody in the stadium being the only people who cn't see what's going on, the ref's should be miked up and the replays should be shown on the screen. Transparency and keeps those in the stadium involved.

Great_Expectations · Apr 25, 2023

Got to hope Burnley turn up, which is questionable after a few suspect results.

We might even give that tosser Bellamy a few redemptions points if he can help get them up for the local derby.

SBT · Apr 25, 2023

Otis said:
VAR is here to stay. There's too much money in the game and too much at risk not to have it. One bad decision could mean the difference of multi millions of pounds.

One bad decision by a player could mean the same - should we give them video assistance in the middle of the game to overturn their mistakes too?

richnrg · Apr 25, 2023

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I agree, but I think that could be solved with the way you do the VAR. Rather than having everybody in the stadium being the only people who cn't see what's going on, the ref's should be miked up and the replays should be shown on the screen. Transparency and keeps those in the stadium involved.

I agree with what you say, but it still doesn't get away from the fact that when you score a goal in the premier league your thoughts are 'Yessss - I think we might have scored!' Then about 1 minute later its 'Yes - we have'

Without VAR you just have a quick glance to make sure the lino isn't flagging before going crazy

Calista · Apr 25, 2023

slowpoke said:
I fancy a spicy game tonight.

Try this recipe for Partridge with mustard sauce

Boosh · Apr 25, 2023

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