Championship thread 24/25! (10 Viewers)

David O'Day said:

you can't also be offside if a defender tries to head it clear and heads it into the back of his own player

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robbiethemole said:

why is everyone worrying about this?? Oxford stopped Naaarwich winning, fuck em

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Shannerz said:

Hmm. I concede this. I think you're right, but it's a strange one if no attacking player has played the ball. You'd think the deflection clause is written with a deflection from an attacking pass in mind.

Anyway, it's given, so all good for us.

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• interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
• interfering with an opponent by:
  • preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
  • challenging an opponent for the ball or
  • clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
  • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

• gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
  • rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
  • been deliberately saved by any opponent

• passing the ball to a team-mate;
• gaining possession of the ball; or
• clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it)

• The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it
• The ball was not moving quickly
• The direction of the ball was not unexpected
• The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited
  contact/control
• A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air

• a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or challenge for the ball; if the player moves into the way of an opponent and impedes the opponent's progress (e.g blocks the opponent) the offence should be penalised under Law 12
• a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence
• an offence is committed against a player in an offside position who is already playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the offside offence is penalised as it has occurred before the foul challenge

• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick

SBbucks said:

Thank you, a voice of reason at last!

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skyblue025 said:

As a referee of over 20 years, he wasn't offside. To have been offside he would have had to receive a pass/deflection from a team mate. This clears it up.

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately played* the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.

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SBbucks said:

Pete, as someone who understands the laws of the game, what are your thoughts on the onside/offside debate?

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David O'Day said:

Norwich City 1-1 Oxford United | Championship Highlights

Highlights of the Sky Bet Championship match between Norwich and Oxford

www.skysports.com

1:03

Long throw and the Norwich number 3 heads it on to the back of the norwich number 20?

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Sky Blue Pete said:

lol no one does
It looks like the Oxford striker is in an offside position but the Norwich player heads it against a Norwich player and it ricochets to the striker who scores
Goal absolutely fine
If however it Ricochets of an Oxford player and to the striker in an offside position it’s offside
For me the assistant should flag and they should discuss who it came off and they don’t assume the ref was talking to his assistant saying no Oxford touch
It doesn’t matter if the Oxford player deliberately played the ball it only has to touch them

So did it touch an Oxford player??? I can’t tell

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Shannerz said:

No, I don't think so.

This is my gut instinct, it's a throw, only defenders touch the ball, thus it's onside.

*But* the law states that a player who receives the ball in an offside position via a deflection off an opponent (which he did) is then offside.

I no longer know if it's onside or not, and having followed the game for c40 years, to suddenly learn that you don't actually understand the offside law anymore is very embarrassing.

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Terry_dactyl said:

If that’s true, it’s news to me also. Crazy.

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• rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent"

Shannerz said:

It's been quoted a few times, but here's the relevant clause:

"gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:

• rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent"

On the face of it, that does cover this. But I know longer no what's true, who I am or what' s even happening anymore.

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AFCCOVENTRY said:

Hull beating Bristol

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skyblueelephant76 said:

Hull down to 10 men now

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Evo1883 said:

The players that scored immediately sent off , Did he wave his cock at the ref or something ?

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shmmeee said:

Dunno why you’re all bothering yourselves with Boros results when Sunderland can still be caught tbh.

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Tommo1993 said:

More bothered about us being caught up than catching up. One is more likely than t’other

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