stupot07
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No - we evaluate our promotion credentials now, re-evaluate those credentials with every transfer dealing, then continue to re-evaluate as the season gets underway.
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No - we evaluate our promotion credentials now, re-evaluate those credentials with every transfer dealing, then continue to re-evaluate as the season gets underway.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Seems a tiring exercise in futility that.
stupot07
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Yep, it sure is. Perhaps we should ask Nick to hibernate the site until pre-season starts.
dongonzalos
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Promotion creditionals or not. Nearly everyone seemed to agree by the end of our season that the players that were list in the summer were not adequately replaced. Well now you can add another 5 to that. Hence anyone suggesting we could do anything this season without signing at least 8 replacements for the exiting players over the summer. That person either is on cloud cuckoo land. Or they dislike Andy Thorne that much. They know you won't achieve success without the signings, but by saying you can will set AT up for a fall.
IMO give the man the replacements for the lost players then judge him. Do the same as last summer. Assets strip and don't replace, we will never know for sure if Thorn is a good manger or not.
If the 3 missing signings from last season happen plus every player that leaves this summer is replaced with a player nearly as good. If cov then do nit perform. I think the blame will lie with thorn. That's the shades if grey dominant factor blame.
I would struggle to fault sisu if they do that
IMO give the man the replacements for the lost players then judge him. Do the same as last summer. Assets strip and don't replace, we will never know for sure if Thorn is a good manger or not.
If the 3 missing signings from last season happen plus every player that leaves this summer is replaced with a player nearly as good. If cov then do nit perform. I think the blame will lie with thorn. That's the shades if grey dominant factor blame.
I would struggle to fault sisu if they do that
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Don't want to say how we will do next season untiil the end of the transfer window, it could be anything from champions-17th place at the moment.
And a manager to motivate the team
Grendel
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This post is about bookies odds. They have no axe to grind and will make a judgement about teams, statistics etc. on likely positioning. Their judgement is we are with the current squad we are likely on paper to be between 10th and 4th which is a fair call. In the close season some will leave but including loans more will arrive. Having experienced young players may also help if the squad is to have the 25 rule applied.
Last season we were told bookies always were a good baramoter of league position? Why aren't they all of a sudden?
dongonzalos
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They are and with the current squad before you lose Cranie and Keogh and others 10th is probably reasonable.
The bookies don't always get it right but generally they are bang on. Last season they had us as one of the favourites to go down before we sold Juke and Turner.
Just hope SISU stay true to their word
and replace the 3 from last season that were not replaced plus any player this season. I do not expect players as the same quality as those who leave but just players who can do it at this level.
If it is not one for one though as soon as we get a run of injuries we will be screwed again.
That is why I predicting we will need 8 the 3 who were not replaced last season plus the
5 that will go this summer.
The bookies don't always get it right but generally they are bang on. Last season they had us as one of the favourites to go down before we sold Juke and Turner.
Just hope SISU stay true to their word
and replace the 3 from last season that were not replaced plus any player this season. I do not expect players as the same quality as those who leave but just players who can do it at this level.
If it is not one for one though as soon as we get a run of injuries we will be screwed again.
That is why I predicting we will need 8 the 3 who were not replaced last season plus the
5 that will go this summer.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I'm just saying we shouldn't be reading too much into bookies' odds when there's 3 months till the season starts and there's a lot of uncertainty around the club and squad still to be settled. Don't forget also that the odds will fluctuate in accordance with what the punters fancy at a given time-they aren't all mystic Megs.
CCFC_Charlie
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If you were a free agent in the summer, who would you rather play for? Coventry in their 32'000 seater stadium or Doncaster in 15'000 seater stadium? We will be able to attract a lot of the quality free agents next year. Not to mention the deal with Hoffman is still ongoing, next season will not be as bad as everyone is forecasting. Already renewed my season ticket. PUSB.
100 miles from Cov.
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I have mentioned Stevenage on a previous post last week. They are a team. Something we are not. They are well drilled and know there jobs. If they do not go up expect them to get 4 points off us next season.
Astute
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I must be deluded. I think we should be good for a top 6 finish.
Last season we did not play as bad as a demoted team. We had a lack of goals though. Next season Cody should be able to score goals from the start. We will be up against players not as good as last season. We should have most of the players we finished with last season. Our younger players now have experience, and at a higher level. To me it is down to who AT is allowed to bring in. With more high earners gone we will be able to bring in players on 1/3 of the wage of the players that have and will go. This means we can have a bigger squad for less outlay.
This is where we are lucky to have AT. Not only is he our manager but he is also our scout. He has watched games at this level for years. He will know what is needed to get us out of it. He will know what sort of player is needed. The teams that have gone up this season all play a passing game. We play a passing game. Our players are better than most teams in the third division. It all depends on who we can bring in. We need another striker. We need backup for a few positions. There will be plenty of players out of contract. How many decent players play for small teams in our new division that would love to play for a team as big as us? Before anyone says this is wrong look at the crowds most teams got last season. A lot of away games will seem like home games for us.
If we get off to a good start the fans will be back. I have never known us to finish in the top 6. This means the majority of our fans have not either. We will sell out most weekends away from home. The buzz will be back. the Sky Blue Army will march on.
Now it is down to SISU and how much they want us to go up. If we have a successful season we will have big home attendances. There will be more cash coming in. 10 players on 1.5k a week is 15k. How much was Fatwood and Cranie on? Then take off a few more that will leave/be sold. We will have a better squad for less money. Lose a little quality, but as we are going to be in a lower level we will be OK. When I am happy with how our squad looks for the season I will have a sizeable wager on us getting promoted. FFS have a look at the teams in the division. Tell me how many players you would like from each team. An average team in a poor division will look good. that don't mean we will struggle against them.
As things stang I would say we are in the top 25% of teams in Div3. This is top 6. Teams around us would love to have most of our players. If things go well we could be scoring for fun. The defences will not be as good as we are used to being up against. The GK's will not be as good either. I am looking forward to next season. Have new grounds to go to. Stands to go mental in. New natives to take the p!ss out of.
Last season we did not play as bad as a demoted team. We had a lack of goals though. Next season Cody should be able to score goals from the start. We will be up against players not as good as last season. We should have most of the players we finished with last season. Our younger players now have experience, and at a higher level. To me it is down to who AT is allowed to bring in. With more high earners gone we will be able to bring in players on 1/3 of the wage of the players that have and will go. This means we can have a bigger squad for less outlay.
This is where we are lucky to have AT. Not only is he our manager but he is also our scout. He has watched games at this level for years. He will know what is needed to get us out of it. He will know what sort of player is needed. The teams that have gone up this season all play a passing game. We play a passing game. Our players are better than most teams in the third division. It all depends on who we can bring in. We need another striker. We need backup for a few positions. There will be plenty of players out of contract. How many decent players play for small teams in our new division that would love to play for a team as big as us? Before anyone says this is wrong look at the crowds most teams got last season. A lot of away games will seem like home games for us.
If we get off to a good start the fans will be back. I have never known us to finish in the top 6. This means the majority of our fans have not either. We will sell out most weekends away from home. The buzz will be back. the Sky Blue Army will march on.
Now it is down to SISU and how much they want us to go up. If we have a successful season we will have big home attendances. There will be more cash coming in. 10 players on 1.5k a week is 15k. How much was Fatwood and Cranie on? Then take off a few more that will leave/be sold. We will have a better squad for less money. Lose a little quality, but as we are going to be in a lower level we will be OK. When I am happy with how our squad looks for the season I will have a sizeable wager on us getting promoted. FFS have a look at the teams in the division. Tell me how many players you would like from each team. An average team in a poor division will look good. that don't mean we will struggle against them.
As things stang I would say we are in the top 25% of teams in Div3. This is top 6. Teams around us would love to have most of our players. If things go well we could be scoring for fun. The defences will not be as good as we are used to being up against. The GK's will not be as good either. I am looking forward to next season. Have new grounds to go to. Stands to go mental in. New natives to take the p!ss out of.
Astute
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Why?
We played as a team once the younger players had a bit of experience and knew what was wanted and needed from them, and also when we had a link from mid to front line. We put a good run together until injuries got the better of our small squad. We are nowhere near as poor as lots are saying on here. Look at the teams we were taking points off until we couldn't put a team together without having to play players with knocks/injuries. Now look at the teams we will be playing next season. Yes we will lose some games. All teams lose games whoever they are and whoever they are playing.
stupot07
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100 miles from Cov.
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Astute, I am not talking about other teams I am talking about Stevenage.
SkyBlueBlood
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Forget Crawley. Their success was up to January when they have since sold their strikers and lost their Manager.
Astute
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Until we play games at the lower level against lower league players than we are used to you will have no idea. Players that make the jump from Div 3 to the Championship can struggle and fail when moving up. this is because the quality of players can be quite apart from each other. Players go down a division as they come to the end of their careers most of the time. Why is this?
100 miles from Cov.
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Why do you say I have no idea. I watch Stevenage a lot and they are much better than they get credit for. Unless we sort ourselves out we will lose to them, just wait and see.
idris65
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Not if they are in the league above us.
100 miles from Cov.
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I did mention if they don't go up!
idris65
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I did mention if they don't go up!
Oh sorry didn't see that.
Astute
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We played well as a team once the youngsters knew more of what was needed. We lacked a goalscorer. Cody looked good towards the end of the season. He will find it even easier next season if he can keep fit and injury free.
Are you telling me that without knowing what our squad and team will be you know how good or poor we will be? As things are we should be a top half Div 3 team. We would not need many players to come in to improve us. We need depth. We need players that AT can use to change formations with. We are not as bad as you make out. If the goalscoring situation is sorted out before the start of the season then we WILL do well next season. If we stay about the same then we are looking at a top half finish. If SISU get rid of our 1st team again then we are fooked again like last season. We have decent players. We just need more. We need cover. This is what cost us in the end. We got over the very poor start we had. Did we do this with crap players? Yes, it took time to gel the team. It took time to coach the academy lads. If we keep them all then we have a good nucleus. A couple of old heads in with them will help in their journey.
skybluelee
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Joint 4th fav with Crawley. I feel physically sick just looking at those words.
100 miles from Cov.
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Lots of if's there! I hope Cov do the double over Stevenage but they have built and built over the last several years. We start again every season. They are settled and on the up we are unsettled and just gone down. Is that a fair point?
dongonzalos
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You will feel even sicker when you realise their transfer budget was 3 x the size of ours last summer
dongonzalos
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agree with most of that. We need sisu to do their bit now sign thre extra players to give us the depth they took away from us last year. Then replace man for man every player that leaves this summer. That's 5 imo. So 8 signings in total
ccfcway
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He will know what is needed to get us out of this?
He knew that last season, ALF for one, we still have sisu, so it doesn't matter what thorn knows
100 miles from Cov.
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How can we build a team when what we need is out of our reach and any promise gets sold.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Rivalling Glen for optimism there Rich
Astute
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Ours was -3m. Does that mean they spent -9m?
Astute
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Point taken, but our players have been together over a tough season. They gave it their all. They will have learned a lot and should be a lot better for it.
Yes, plenty of if's. Plenty of but's. Nobody can make a statement on how we will do next season and say it as a fact until we know what players we have.
100 miles from Cov.
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I would love to be optimistic Brighton! I just cannot see why things are now going to get better that's all. I am looking forward to different grounds next season. Does that help!
Astute
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Do you have a phobia on creepy crawleys?
100 miles from Cov.
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Stevenage played Reading in the fa cup third round. Reading had a strong team out and lost 1-0. It could and should have been a much bigger winning margin. Now I know it was only one game but Reading won the league and we dropped out. Now if Stevenage can bear them then it stacks up they could beat us. I know anyone can beat anyone in there day but they have had a hell of a lot of good days in the last three years. How many have we had?