City confirm official bids for Keogh & Captancy if he stays (1 Viewer)

valiant15 · May 30, 2012

They've created this negative atmosphere,how do you expect people to react going on the past 4 years?

DazzleTommyDazzle · May 30, 2012

smileycov said:
So sisu and AT have said they want to keep Keogh, he is holding contract talks and they have turned down a £800k offer. But yet people kick off anyhow!!

I think most people (myself included) cut SISU a lot of slack in the early days.

Unfortunately (for them), over time people have judged them on their actions - particularly over the last 18 months.

It can't be surprising that people read those comments and think.....

Yeah, right!

ICHAN · May 30, 2012

Well said smileycov, as I put in an earlier post SISU are onto a hiding with some fans as they have no chance of maybe doing something as people just don't believe a word they say, yet believe others, (no i am not a sisu fanboy either).

But saying it has happened when nothing has actually happened is crazy, yet a certain Mr H or Mr K can say anything and if they get questioned then some fractions of this forum are in uproar, yet if nothing materializes from what some parties say this is SISU's fault as well, because how would these people lie because their the ultimate cov fans to some.

The moaning and negativity is depressing on here at times, as if being a cov fan isn't bad enough on it's own.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · May 30, 2012

If he isn't going to sign a new contract are we not best to get some money for him? Mcpake, Wood, Cameron + another would still be a good choice.

Sub · May 30, 2012

CCFC said:
If he isn't going to sign a new contract are we not best to get some money for him? Mcpake, Wood, Cameron + another would still be a good choice.

maybe so but the issue seems to be if they go for some money, the money does not get re-invested back in the team and we plumet further downwards this is the main issue i have. Every player has his price but we can not sell and not replace look what happend to us last season:facepalm::facepalm:

SkyBlue_Bear83 · May 30, 2012

Sub said:
maybe so but the issue seems to be if they go for some money, the money does not get re-invested back in the team and we plumet further downwards this is the main issue i have. Every player has his price but we can not sell and not replace look what happend to us last season:facepalm::facepalm:

Yea I agree, if the contract discussions come to nothing though it would make sense to sell him and replace him now with money received rather than lose him in 12 months time and have to replace him with no money received.

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Danceswithhorses · May 30, 2012

“We have had a written offer from Cardiff, as we did from Bristol City last week, and phone calls from a couple of other clubs in the Championship"

This is clearly a statement from Maggott...sorry Waggott, trying to induce a bidding war, by mentioning 2 written offers and 2 other enquiries.
Keogh will be sold :facepalm:

ICHAN · May 30, 2012

Maybe just Maybe they will re-invest?

I know the signs from previous years tell a differant story, they may have got us to where we needed to be regarding football wise (off the field), and all the dead wood old management structure has finally gone from the club, and they now have people who want to strive the club forward?
Maybe we got what happened because they seen it as to late last year to stop the ship from sinking and let it happen unfortunatly so they could start fresh who knows, I don't know the answer's to this. but until something happens I will judge them like all involved in the whole fiasco that is to do with CCFC at the moment and not trust any of them as they all have hidden agendas whoever it maybe.

I could say that other parties are full of lies, but until they prove me otherwise then I take it all for what it is hearsay and conjecture, and some fans thinking the worse may or may not happen because it fuels the hatred surely can't help.

Yorkshire SB · May 30, 2012

Danceswithhorses said:
“We have had a written offer from Cardiff, as we did from Bristol City last week, and phone calls from a couple of other clubs in the Championship"

This is clearly a statement from Maggott...sorry Waggott, trying to induce a bidding war, by mentioning 2 written offers and 2 other enquiries.
Keogh will be sold :facepalm:

Completely agree, and I would add that the statement is positive pr, creating the illusion that the club are trying to keep keogh, when in reality they have every intention on cashing in on him, albeit at a higher price

Astute · May 30, 2012

valiant15 said:
You think if they turn down a bid for keogh feelings towards to sisu will change? Your'e having a laugh mate,they've sold and let go of way to many players over the last four years for people to suddenly start liking them,not to mention the four years of bullshit,which is still happening.

There are people on here that would find things to moan at whatever happens. I could even see it occuring even if AT was able to sign all the players needed to make a decent enough squad to put us clear at the top of the table.

I won't forgive and forget. I might forgive if we have a turnaround like Southampton. Something had to be done. We have gone from overpaying average players to now not having enough players. It cost us dearly last season. Our wage bill is now a fraction of what it was a couple of seasons ago. There must be money to be used for wages now. We should be able to get players good enough for 1k to 1.5k a week. These players would then have a value whilst under contract. They will see that players like Keogh will make them money. A winning team will make them money. They have seen what happens to attendances with a losing team. This don't mean it will happen. I can see Keogh going though, unless they can talk him into staying to make his value go up even more. The problem is he will be offered more than what SISU will offer him. No new contract signed means he will be gone.

Whatever happens I will never forget. This could be a continuation of a downward spiral. It could also be the start of something good. I will save all of my comments, good or bad, until the start of the season when we see who we have. I think there will be more players leave. I think there will be players join. Most signings at most clubs happen in the month before the season starts. I just hope we don't leave it too late and are left with the scraps that nobody else wanted.

Blueandwhites · May 30, 2012

Keogh will be gone for sure.. Having to witness the tiresome statements: ''we're offering him a new contract- he wants to stay'' routine every year is utterly tedious. It's the club limply implying 'we tried, we really really did....' And then pop - he's gone and the club doesn't see a penny.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 30, 2012

Pretty much word for word what I think Astute.

ICHAN · May 30, 2012

Unfortunatly on the other side of the coin why would a player want to stay?

We are no longer a good prospect to players, we are what we were, a bottom championship (now 1st division) team who have bobbed around for years going stagnent (long before sisu arrived), so with all the will in the world even (big if) sisu are doing their best to keep Keogh, why should he stay? what as a team can we offer him?
Unfortunatly not much, so if he does go then so be it, it's happened before and will continue to happen, not nice but thats where we find ourselves low down in the pecking order of a team a player would want to play for.

mattylad · May 30, 2012

Every player has his price, last week we had people saying he would be gone for £550,000 £600,000 £750,000 and today we find out a bid of £800,000 has been rejected. It looks like if he goes it will be close to the million mark or maybe just over and that is not chump change for a championship level defender who was part of a relegated side.

I don't want him to go but when a player is valued at around the million pound mark his agent will quite rightly expect him to be paid a wage that is reflective of that value and we can't afford to do that. The other option is we dont sell, he does not agree a deal and next summer walks away to get paid what he is worth with us getting nothing.

No point crying over that bcos every club outside the ultra rich are in the same boat......Do you really think spurs can pay Gareth Bale the wage that goes with the 80m euro price tag they slapped on him? If Man City, Real or Barca come knocking with £200,000 a week in wages ....

Covstu · May 30, 2012

yes think he is as good as gone, we will sadly settle for less than £1M to bill immediate bills and clubs will know this. Sad but inevitable.

Ashdown · May 30, 2012

Fans will only believe anything SISU's puppets say when once they actually stop stabbing us in the back and stop trying to sell every asset they can without any re-investment into the team. For two years now they have done nothing but tear the squad to pieces, when they start to reverse this trend supporters will cut them some slack, not before.

Nonleagueherewecome · May 30, 2012

Sub said:
"That’s where we are at the moment but there may be a different discussion if a club of a higher league status comes in for him.”Steve Waggot said

what the teams like cardiff, bristol and all teams in the championship ect ect:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

You could just as easily see that as inviting offers! God I hate them so verily.

Nonleagueherewecome · May 30, 2012

SonofErnie said:
I agree. This is not the only time in our history when practically a whole squad of players has left the club to be replaced by journeymen from the lower leagues (only we're in the lower league now). If anyone recalls the early eighties, we had a very promising squad of young players such as Danny Thomas, Mark Hateley, Garry Thompson, Gary Gillespie et al, who all left the club to be replaced by the likes of Nicky Platnauer, Graeme Withey, Dave Bamber etc. Eventually that turned out ok, just like it will this time. It just seems that there isn't much hope at the moment.

Sorry Ernie, the difference between then and now is that all the youth players from that 80's side would have been sold at the same time, and we wouldn't have even signed the likes of Platnauer if it had been SISU in charge then!

Nonleagueherewecome · May 30, 2012

WillieStanley said:
If that figure is true... it does show intent, considering how little we let Turner go for.

I think that's being a bit naive. Add that "snubbing" of 800K being made public to the Waggott lines inviting Premiership interest-after all, they can afford to pay more-and it shows an intent all right. An intent to sell him! Remember, theyu rejected bids from Premiership teams last September-they know they're interested. West Ham, Swansea, WBA and Fulham are the one's to watch.

Nonleagueherewecome · May 30, 2012

ICHAN said:
Unfortunatly on the other side of the coin why would a player want to stay?

We are no longer a good prospect to players, we are what we were, a bottom championship (now 1st division) team who have bobbed around for years going stagnent (long before sisu arrived), so with all the will in the world even (big if) sisu are doing their best to keep Keogh, why should he stay? what as a team can we offer him?
Unfortunatly not much, so if he does go then so be it, it's happened before and will continue to happen, not nice but thats where we find ourselves low down in the pecking order of a team a player would want to play for.

Because he's an old fashioned loyal pro, because he loves it here and he's played the best football of his career here? He hasn't been loved by the fans of any other club he's played for like he has at CCFC. And because he's desperate to not end up a "squad player" at a big club. Ben Turner and Connor Thomas didn't want to go either-they had no choice in the matter.

ICHAN · May 30, 2012

Nor have other players NLHWC but thats the nature of the business, and we find ourselves down in the lower reaches of that business, we are no longer an attractive club and in the prem where we can attract and keep hold of better players, we need to start accepting that unfortunatly, it's not nice as we are all passionate about our club and want better days, but unfortunatly we have what we are left with and need to stick together as fans.
In a few years maybe sooner they will be gone and hopefully better days are around the corner, but at the moment we need to exist as a club, and if that means players have to be sold then that is what has to be done.
I personally do not know SISU's financial situation no more than anyone else on here, and lets hope they are gone soon, but until then if a player going means the club exists then so be it.
What would happen if we kept him or another player and the club folded 5 months down the line, what then? (only hyperthetical) or we keep hold of him and come next year he goes for nothing, people will be saying he should have been sold typical sisu we have lost a player and got nothing for him.

Nonleagueherewecome · May 30, 2012

If we fold, it's SISU's doing though. They aren't selling players to keep the club going, they claim they are selling players to cover the losses they aren't prepared to cover. Considering that they are our owners, that's pretty unforgivable behaviour. They have the money, ICHAN-they have the money for half the stadium! They just don't want to spen it on what we need to be competitive, just like last year. These decisions are losing them more money than they are saving in cutbacks as ultimately the club spins ever more quickly in its downwards spiral. I'm sorry, "acceptance" is utterly inappropriate in this situation! If they sell Gael, I don't think I'll go again until they are gone.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 30, 2012

Agree with NLHWC-SISU are not prepared to put a penny in despite having the capabilities to do so.

ICHAN · May 30, 2012

We all know about sisu and what they are doing/done to the club NLHWC, but you or I can do nothing about it but be here till the end suppoting the club however we choose to support or our differant views on subjects concerning the club.
What else are you going to do about it NLHWC?
Other than accept what is happening is happening, no one I should imagine likes it but thats what is happening and will continue to happen until these parasites choose to leave, you could say your accepting what they are doing if they sell Gael you may not go back, better players have been sold by other boards and teams destroyed over the years because people wanted their money back that they had put into the club (keane being one of those) but we carried on and will continue.

The thing is in the past players going was only talked about in the pub and then the next saturday you were up supporting your team and carried on as though he never played for us.
However nowadays these things get talked about much more on sites like this and get scrutanized a lot more.
At the end of the day they will be gone like all that came before them and the club will continue, maybe fing hard to watch something that is so passionate to some but that is the what it is, unless you ban yourself from going to watch the team(which doesn't work, and is hard doing).

Brighton Sky Blue · May 30, 2012

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Agree with NLHWC-SISU are not prepared to put a penny in despite having the capabilities to do so.

I agree they give every appearance of not wanting to invest on the playing side. But can we be so sure that they have the cash to do so, if that is what they decided they wanted to do?

Nonleagueherewecome · May 30, 2012

Disagree: it's got nothing to do with the internet. We were more financially screwed when Adams took over, but we still managed to sign Page and Hall on freebies and battle our way to safety. I got behind the club 100% then. At no time have we ever been so badly treated, like a toy a dog is bored of, but won't let go of until it's utterly destroyed.

There's a principle at stake-I am a customer, and I will not be lied to any more.

As for Gael-it's because he is a young man who is utterly loyal and adores this club. We've all heard the rumours of the top 4 clubs he turned down last year to stay here. And IMO he is also a potential 20m player-that's why those top 4 clubs were interested, and still are monitoring him. Because he didn't single handedly drag us out of trouble as a 17 year old doesn't make him a failure. For that reason, selling him now-when he wants to stay, and would stay all his career given the choice-for a pittance (under 1m) would also perfectly reflect SISU's short-sightedness. He'll be worth 10 times that in under 3 years. As someone said, what did Arsenal pay for The Ox? It'd have been a 10th of that if he'd been a City player!

I can't tolerate what they are doing to my club, it is utterly unjustified, and I will not PAY for something that makes me angry and upset any more. My support is not unconditional, as that would make me their bitch.

ccfcway · May 30, 2012

20 million for Gael ?

ICHAN · May 30, 2012

Who said he was a failure?
I am on about how it gets scrutinized more now, not how we were run then and the way we are run now, it can get talked about by a wider audiance with people you don't know than just a few mates down the pub, also more info is available to fans than it was before the internet, when all you had was the CT to rely on telling what was happening.

And your TRUE you and thousands of others should be given more as the paying customer totally agree. but if sisu go what makes you convinced the next parasites won't lie to you and us?

Nonleagueherewecome · May 30, 2012

I'd give them a chance, though. Sisu have had plenty of chances.

ICHAN · May 30, 2012

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I agree they give every appearance of not wanting to invest on the playing side. But can we be so sure that they have the cash to do so, if that is what they decided they wanted to do?

You having an arguement with yourself BSB?

Brighton Sky Blue · May 30, 2012

I don't know what happened there-even I'm confused by it; sodding phone! :facepalm:

Jimmy Hill's Chin · May 30, 2012

I'd offer Cranie the captaincy as an incentive for him to stay. He's a better player than Keogh, although Keogh is decent.

Nonleagueherewecome · May 30, 2012

Jimmy Hill's Chin said:
I'd offer Cranie the captaincy as an incentive for him to stay. He's a better player than Keogh, although Keogh is decent.

Keogh's got more leadership qualities. And strength, pace, dribbling ability, crossing ability, and concentration. I agree that Cranie is a better player technically, but in every other department, Keogh is streets ahead-and in aspects that are much more important in L1. A Cameron-Keogh or McPake-Keogh partnership would probably be better suited to L1 than a Cranie-Keogh one IMO.

ccfcway · May 30, 2012

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Keogh's got more leadership qualities. And strength, pace, dribbling ability, crossing ability, and concentration. I agree that Cranie is a better player technically, but in every other department, Keogh is streets ahead-and in aspects that are much more important in L1. A Cameron-Keogh or McPake-Keogh partnership would probably be better suited to L1 than a Cranie-Keogh one IMO.

Thoughts on Cameron - Willis partnership, cause thats what we will have

Nonleagueherewecome · May 30, 2012

ccfcway said:
Thoughts on Cameron - Willis partnership, cause thats what we will have

Could be a good Championship partnership in 3 or 4 years. Seem complimentary in their strengths. Next year in L1? They'll have a lot of lessons to learn and we'll take some beatings along the way.

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