Club Statement (4 Viewers)

[Grendel]

It can also be stated that the team had no expectations on them at the start of the season therefore the deduction gave them a boost.

We might not have had such a good start without the deduction.

So teams who start on minus 10 points normally do well do they?

So what you are saying is that sisu are deliberately trying to get another reduction as this is something's that's good for the team?

 

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[bigfatronssba]

So teams who start on minus 10 points normally do well do they?

So what you are saying is that sisu are deliberately trying to get another reduction as this is something's that's good for the team?

So you don't think that the points deduction had any affect on the team whatsoever?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So you don't think that the points deduction had any affect on the team whatsoever?

He thinks it had a bad one.

 

[shmmeee]

Would love to see the analysis, looking down the list of teams who have had deductions, I wouldn't be surprised if it does show they do better than average. Anyone fancy doing the research? http://www.footballsite.co.uk/Statistics/Articles/DidYouKnow29.htm

 

[RegTheDonk]

So teams who start on minus 10 points normally do well do they?

So what you are saying is that sisu are deliberately trying to get another reduction as this is something's that's good for the team?

Where has he said that?

 

[chiefdave]

Would love to see the analysis, looking down the list of teams who have had deductions, I wouldn't be surprised if it does show they do better than average. Anyone fancy doing the research? http://www.footballsite.co.uk/Statistics/Articles/DidYouKnow29.htm

Well for a start Leeds got promoted after a points deduction. Without looking at the stats after a handful of games wasn't our points total this season higher than last season? Also at the halfway point the play offs were a very realistic possibility. If the players decided it wasn't worth trying as the 10 points had been deducted there's something very wrong.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Would love to see the analysis, looking down the list of teams who have had deductions, I wouldn't be surprised if it does show they do better than average. Anyone fancy doing the research? http://www.footballsite.co.uk/Statistics/Articles/DidYouKnow29.htm

I would look at the list of clubs voluntarily relocated by their owners but it's rather short.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Do you mean like about 6 months ago when CCC owed SISU money? They paid up instead of trying to get away without paying in full. And they never made it known in public they had paid either. They just did the right thing.

The council only collect the money. It wasn't theirs to pay. They're told to pay it by the VOA.

 

[PIPSQUEEK]

The council only collect the money. It wasn't theirs to pay. They're told to pay it by the VOA.

If it was not theirs to pay why did they pay it

 

[fernandopartridge]

If it was not theirs to pay why did they pay it

Or. If it's not theirs to collect why do they collect it?

 

[Snozz_is_god]

Well for a start Leeds got promoted after a points deduction.

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[Snozz_is_god]

Well for a start Leeds got promoted after a points deduction.

No they didn't, it was two seasons after they had the 15 point deduction before they gained promotion. Mind you they did make the playoffs.


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[chiefdave]

No they didn't, it was two seasons after they had the 15 point deduction before they gained promotion. Mind you they did make the playoffs.

Sorry, my mistake I was in fact referring to them getting to the play off final. The same point stands really, they had a bigger points deduction yet reached the final but we are being told by some on there the players didn't go all out as there was no chance of success following the points deduction.

 

[stupot07]

Well for a start Leeds got promoted after a points deduction. Without looking at the stats after a handful of games wasn't our points total this season higher than last season? Also at the halfway point the play offs were a very realistic possibility. If the players decided it wasn't worth trying as the 10 points had been deducted there's something very wrong.

I don't think they did.


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[chiefdave]

I don't think they did.

As posted above they reached the play off final (losing 1-0) having started on -15.

 

[stupot07]

Sorry, my mistake I was in fact referring to them getting to the play off final. The same point stands really, they had a bigger points deduction yet reached the final but we are being told by some on there the players didn't go all out as there was no chance of success following the points deduction.

I bet their wage bill was in the top3 in the league.

They spent over a £1m on transfers paying fees for 9 players.


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[skybluetony176]

I bet their wage bill was in the top3 in the league.


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I bet they weren't playing in front of 2000 fans 35miles from where they should have been.

 

[stupot07]

I bet they weren't playing in front of 2000 fans 35miles from where they should have been.

A bit like us the season before then. So what's our excuse for he 2012-13 season?


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[chiefdave]

I bet their wage bill was in the top3 in the league.

They spent over a £1m on transfers paying fees for 9 players.

You're missing the point.

The point is being asserted by some posters that our points deduction did impact our season and without we could have been promoted. Now clearly this isn't the case if you add 10 points to our total so the assertion is that the attitude of the players would have been different, in a positive way, had there been no points deduction. However that ignores the fact that after a handful of games we had more points than the previous season, at the halfway point the play offs were a realistic possibility and other teams have reached the play offs following points deductions.

My point is if the players had written the season off based on the points deduction there are questions to be asked of them and the management.

 

[stupot07]

I don't think they wrote off the season, I just don't think we had enough strength in depth or quality to maintain it over a whole season, look atleeds defensive record vs ours, we were never going to keep it going.

Additionally there are many other posters who say that we only started well because of the points deduction, which I don't buy either, our history is littered with strong starts and fading badly from Christmas.


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[chiefdave]

I don't think they wrote off the season, I just don't think we had enough strength in depth or quality to maintain it over a whole season, look atleeds defensive record vs ours, we were never going to keep it going.

I don't think they did either hence the deduction at the end of the day making no difference. In my opinion our regular post Xmas slump is down to two things in recent years. 1) coming out of the transfer window with a weaker squad when others are improving their squad and 2) having a smallish young squad.

 

[shmmeee]

I don't think they wrote off the season, I just don't think we had enough strength in depth or quality to maintain it over a whole season, look atleeds defensive record vs ours, we were never going to keep it going.

Additionally there are many other posters who say that we only started well because of the points deduction, which I don't buy either, our history is littered with strong starts and fading badly from Christmas.


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That's a very fair point, we've always come down with the Christmas lights.

 

[The Gentleman]

That's a very fair point, we've always come down with the Christmas lights.

I don't know so much Shmmeee. Pressley himself said that the -10 was a motivating factor in an interview early in the season. Also, I would have liked to see how our season would have panned out if we had managed to keep hold of Leon and keep Callum fit. Our defensive record was better in the second half of the season conceding five fewer goals (I know hard to believe) so keeping Leon and tying up other outstanding contracts to keep players motivated, who's to say that we wouldn't have finished strongly.

 

[Grendel]

I don't know so much Shmmeee. Pressley himself said that the -10 was a motivating factor in an interview early in the season. Also, I would have liked to see how our season would have panned out if we had managed to keep hold of Leon and keep Callum fit. Our defensive record was better in the second half of the season conceding five fewer goals (I know hard to believe) so keeping Leon and tying up other outstanding contracts to keep players motivated, who's to say that we wouldn't have finished strongly.

We have had numerous seasons where our results have capitulated post January. Pressley sounds up beat about every adverse situation.

To suggest we'd have fewer points if we didn't start on -10 is madness. The club would have been in the playoff as and automatic all the way to Christmas. I think that would be far more motivational for long term achievement.

 

[Tonylinc]

We have had numerous seasons where our results have capitulated post January. Pressley sounds up beat about every adverse situation.

To suggest we'd have fewer points if we didn't start on -10 is madness. The club would have been in the playoff as and automatic all the way to Christmas. I think that would be far more motivational for long term achievement.

Your wrong. The minus 10 was a massive factor in our early season form but I guess we will find out next time when hopefully we will start level. Mind you we won't have Leon, another huge factor in our early season form!

 

[Grendel]

]Your wrong. The minus 10 was a massive factor in our early season form [/U]but I guess we will find out next time when hopefully we will start level. Mind you we won't have Leon, another huge factor in our early season form!

No evidence -- utterly without foundation

 

[letsallsingtogether]

To suggest we'd have fewer points if we didn't start on -10 is madness. The club would have been in the playoff as and automatic all the way to Christmas. I think that would be far more motivational for long term achievement.

No evidence -- utterly without foundation

 

[Sick Boy]

No evidence -- utterly without foundation

We were less than 10points outside the top 6 for large parts of the first half of the season.

 

[Hobo]

No winners on this argument folks....it's all your own speculation.....what have might happened if the situation had been different? How perverse!

 

[shmmeee]

We were less than 10points outside the top 6 for large parts of the first half of the season.

Well done for showing you're not following the conversation.

That's irrelevant when talking about whether the -10 had an impact on early season form.

The debate's stupid both ways to be fair, it's like the "oh if that had gone it it would've changed the game" when you're 2-0 down. You just don't know. Knowing City in previous seasons as soon as we got a whiff of success we'd have bottled it.

The fact is, -10 or no -10, we still sold Clarke half way through the season and the kids still got tired, and we still suffered from injuries and suspensions to key players and playing people out of position as a result and it was still against a backdrop of extremely unhappy fans and an uncertain future. It's far more likely, given that and City being City, that we'd have dropped off anyway.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well done for showing you're not following the conversation.

That's irrelevant when talking about whether the -10 had an impact on early season form.

The debate's stupid both ways to be fair, it's like the "oh if that had gone it it would've changed the game" when you're 2-0 down. You just don't know. Knowing City in previous seasons as soon as we got a whiff of success we'd have bottled it.

The fact is, -10 or no -10, we still sold Clarke half way through the season and the kids still got tired, and we still suffered from injuries and suspensions to key players and playing people out of position as a result and it was still against a backdrop of extremely unhappy fans and an uncertain future. It's far more likely, given that and City being City, that we'd have dropped off anyway.

I would say playing at Northampton had a far greater impact, going off the comments of players and manager alike.

 

[stupot07]

I would say playing at Northampton had a far greater impact, going off the comments of players and manager alike.

Whilst not disagreeing we did have our best 'home' record since 2005/06 season.


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[skybluetony176]

Whilst not disagreeing we did have our best 'home' record since 2005/06 season.


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Home? Don't you mean away? ;-)