I think this is very untested ground. A club at its maximum can only go down.
In which case you'd argue our only hope is the continuation of legal action.
I never said that.
We were in a fairly strong position until we took our ball and went to Northampton's home. The wannabe Alan Sugars on here thought it was a brilliant plan to strengthen our hand IIRC.
Building a stadium is a very different proposition to negotiating debt or corporate takeovers, Sisu should've realised their own limitations early on. Only got themselves to blame for where they are now.
Agree but it's also the continual feeling that this isn't our home and season on season this will continue to increase. We need a place to call homeIf anyone thinks the football club are in a strong bargaining position regarding a new agreement they are seriously deluded.
At present our contribution to revenue for wasps is very small and the total contribution to EBIT even worse given the catering deal.
There is little benefit to the club being there.
We will have primacy over fixtures still and represent their only threat to the customer base and potential customer base.
It is a unique arrangement - the club with largest potential earnings being the tenant and the club at its maximum the owner.
Naming rights is a other thing. It's going to be irrelevant anyway I would think as surely even wasps will get a sponsor in two years but even if they didn't then why would they share any potential earnings. A premier league club typically attracts between £0.6m to £2m a year. If they can receive that why would they share it? Same for advertising and the same for parking and the same for non match day events. Whatever the draw of it's respective tenants ACL will always be the beneficiary.
We will be saddled with a higher rent and no further benefits. A nightmare scenario.
The nightmare gets bleaker when you look at the time scale. The club has only 2 years left, no new ground by then. So wasps can sharpen their pencils and offer a take it or leave it deal in the grand way their ACL forefathers did.
There is no way forward and the club if it signed the arrangement would then be unsalable. No assets and if promoted no commercial benefits every other club would receive. Sisu forever then.
Turn this round. If sisu were running wasps what would they do to someone in our position. Make no mistake wasps are sisu magnified a thousand times. Ruthless and purely interested on their mission statement.
Those who believe we have any future at the Ricoh are truly clutching at straws and yes we are still drowning.
Or drop the court case and get the best deal they can before they really do piss Wasps off with JR2.
We have one option left so they might as well get the best they can from that option.
Whether it's enough remains to be seen but we have to give it a go.
Love it how the Sisu mouth piece keeps slamming the Ricoh but has no feasible solution other than to leave it.
I think the more interesting thing from what's gone on recently is the question about the Academy rather than the question about the stadium.
They do seem to be both linked.
Given the factors I gave illustrated above and given wasps utter disregard for community values can you actually explain why they would give one inch on anything?
Or drop the court case and get the best deal they can before they really do piss Wasps off with JR2.
We have one option left so they might as well get the best they can from that option.
What if the best deal is peanuts, and only enough to sutain us as a mediocre League One or even League two team. Is that what you truly aspire to?
So they can cream it off when we are in the PL. A 50% deal won't look so bad then will it ?
So sisu would offer 50% would they? Why when they can get 100%?
Are they a charity? Given they were prepared to move 90 miles even if not one fan followed them I don't think so.
Wakey wakey.
Absolute tosh. Wasps will make no deal based on the idea that one day we may or may not get back to the PL. They cannot afford to give us what we need, they have their own financial pressures and business model.Wasps obviously did their homework when they made the decision to move here. Something your minions never did.
Whatever you say, they are businessmen and not stupid.
They will know that CCFC in the PL is a big bonus for them.The art is to make it sweet for CCFC to have a chance of getting there.
But why should they give it the time of day if Sisu are hell bent on doing everything but.
Let's also not forget and I quote:
"The Football Club had been seriously mismanaged. By April 2012, it was in a truly parlous state. CCFC was balance sheet insolvent, incurring regular substantial annual losses, and a loss of £5m on the annual turnover of £10m in 2011-12.
CCFC/SISU had no strategy for maintaining a sustainable football club, except one which involved (i) the purchase, at a knock down price, of at least a 50% share in ACL and thus the Arena, and (ii) the purchase from the Bank, at a knockdown price, of the ACL loan.
SISU distressed the financial position of ACL [in which Coventry Council had a stake] by refusing to pay ACL any rent or licence fee. That made ACL commercially vulnerable, because it could not service its Bank loan. It also had the effect of reducing the value of the share in ACL that SISU coveted. SISU imposed more commercial pressure on ACL by indicating that they were prepared to see CCFC put into administration or liquidation, which (SISU believed) would have a cataclysmic effect on ACL because of ACL’s inability to service its loan without revenue from the Football Club. SISU’s strategy of distressing ACL’s financial position in these ways was quite deliberate.
In April 2012, the crisis in ACL was triggered by CCFC/SISU refusing to pay rent which CCFC was legally obliged to pay, in pursuit of the SISU strategy to obtain a return on their investment by buying into ACL cheaply. SISU took that action quite deliberately to distress ACL’s financial position, with a view to driving down the value of ACL and thus the price of a share in it, which they coveted."
Can't really argue with that.
What exactly has any of that got to do with anything regarding my opening post?
Turn this round. If sisu were running wasps what would they do to someone in our position.
Makes you wonder what they will do to CRFC if any deal for the Butts actually happens...
Let's also not forget and I quote:
"The Football Club had been seriously mismanaged. By April 2012, it was in a truly parlous state. CCFC was balance sheet insolvent, incurring regular substantial annual losses, and a loss of £5m on the annual turnover of £10m in 2011-12.
CCFC/SISU had no strategy for maintaining a sustainable football club, except one which involved (i) the purchase, at a knock down price, of at least a 50% share in ACL and thus the Arena, and (ii) the purchase from the Bank, at a knockdown price, of the ACL loan.
SISU distressed the financial position of ACL [in which Coventry Council had a stake] by refusing to pay ACL any rent or licence fee. That made ACL commercially vulnerable, because it could not service its Bank loan. It also had the effect of reducing the value of the share in ACL that SISU coveted. SISU imposed more commercial pressure on ACL by indicating that they were prepared to see CCFC put into administration or liquidation, which (SISU believed) would have a cataclysmic effect on ACL because of ACL’s inability to service its loan without revenue from the Football Club. SISU’s strategy of distressing ACL’s financial position in these ways was quite deliberate.
In April 2012, the crisis in ACL was triggered by CCFC/SISU refusing to pay rent which CCFC was legally obliged to pay, in pursuit of the SISU strategy to obtain a return on their investment by buying into ACL cheaply. SISU took that action quite deliberately to distress ACL’s financial position, with a view to driving down the value of ACL and thus the price of a share in it, which they coveted."
Can't really argue with that.
Its alight he makes up for poor judgement by impressive social skills. :wtf:Unfortunately Grendel
am a little scepticle of your judgement and opinions as they are constantly proved to be flawed over time.
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