mark82
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Swansea managers generally didn't have the board selling all their decent players allowing a team to be built.
It was tongue in cheek because i feel Coleman was/is a better manager then Thorn.
But then you get daft comments from folk who fair enough say Thorn is a good manager but yet can’t back it up when asked why and what good he’s done.
Anyone could be a good manager if given all the tools, its what you do with lack of tools that make you a decent manager.
Look at Swansea, not spent vasts of money yet produced some good talent and under good managers previous and present have made themselves into a decent outfit.
There is nothing that particularly gives me confidence as I don't think he has had a chance all season of keeping us up. I don't think we would be bottom 3 if we hadn't lost the 1 natural goal scorer we had, Marlon King. If we could find someone who scores goals I think we could get out of it. (I don't think Juke was a natural goal scorer).
Can I ask who you would replace him with? Who would want to come to a team bound for relegation with no money to spend to turn things around?
Swansea managers generally didn't have the board selling all their decent players allowing a team to be built.
Alright, fuck it, I'm gonna play devil's advocate...
Thorn improved our playing style and morale in the camp from the previous manager. Impossible to say whether the current playing squad would be in the same position in the league if Boothroyd was still in charge and the same players were sold from under him, but I would imagine we would still be in the relegation zone and the football would be toss to watch.
He does make some tactical errors and there are strange substitutions. I cannot recall a single CCFC manager in my history of supporting them who has not. I don't think they surface every game and I am not as frustrated with Thorn in this respect as I have been with previous managers (although this is said with the benefit of hindsight and also with the fact he has been in situ - not in SISU - for less than one full season).
No manager in recent memory has been mugged off as much as Thorn and you cannot look at anything out of the context of SISU, except tactical decisions and substitutions. As I say, Thorn (a rookie football manager) shows some naivety here. Enough for me to withdraw my support of him? No.
Finally, an argument I am always guilty of returning to... Let's imagine that you are SISU. Remember exactly what your priorities seem to be and how you operate. Let's assume you sack Thorn and pay him out of his (relatively measly) contract. Who would you employ? If we know anything about SISU, it is that their expenditure leaves a lot to be desired. If we know anything about CCFC, it is that we have hired and fired too many managers in recent years. If you can state 'Thorn Out', you should be able to state 'X In'.
Fair enough.
Has he improved the playing style though? We play neat sidewards passing. Which is so ineffective. 20 goals all season is a testament to that. Our football is not exactly edge of your seat stuff is it?
His substitutions are an issue for me because we’ve lost points late on in goals for various reasons including his reluctant to make changes at certain times (The day Bigi was sent off a prime example)
Thorn has had an easy ride off the fans in my eyes... Not once have i heard Thorn out despite our league position. Thorn luckily for him has SISU to thank because all the attention is on them
I know SISU wont get rid of him and on a matchday i support and want the lads to win, don’t mean i’m happy with the manager but i’ll support whoever. Ideal world. S’OD in from next season and have a chance to build a team for the future.
Are you pissed?
Because Juke came out and said he feels sorry for Thorn doesn’t mean he’s doing a good job.
Football is all about Tactics and winning games and he is hopeless at it.
Thorn is living off his honeymoon period of 8 games. This season has been abysmal. I like everyone feels sorry for Thorn but that doesn’t exclude him from criticism.
Thorn would rather lose a game 1-0 instead of going to win games.
He doesn’t deserve more time because we’ve given enough already. If only SISU could afford to bring in someone else then the majority fans would agree.
Yes... plenty of teams. Scunthorpe stayed up the other year despite no money and an inexperienced manager. Donny as already mentioned. Palace in 2010, Plymouth in 2009 Barnsley 2008. Crewe and Brighton in 2005.
Football is not all about tactics at all, it don't matter what tactics you use if the players aren't good enough and you can't say the majority of fans would agree co's you don't know that.
However, you are entitled to your opinion.
And in my opinion Thorn is doing the best job he can, sure he has made mistakes, but you show me a manager that hasn't? Were not Man Utd or Barcelona, were Championship Coventry City, so get real before you start pointing a finger and look at the bigger picture.
Wyken, I answered your question and you accused me of being pissed and then you go on to say "why doesn't anyone answer my question"
Wyken, you're certainly thick and probably ugly and tomorrow I'll be sober.
Nah, I don't think we can compare our situation with theres. Not only do we have ZERO money to spend but we've also got rid of a team full including two leading scorers and the best keeper in the division.
Football is not all about tactics at all, it don't matter what tactics you use if the players aren't good enough and you can't say the majority of fans would agree co's you don't know that.
However, you are entitled to your opinion.
And in my opinion Thorn is doing the best job he can, sure he has made mistakes, but you show me a manager that hasn't? Were not Man Utd or Barcelona, were Championship Coventry City, so get real before you start pointing a finger and look at the bigger picture.
Yes, it is a lie, my apologies.We've bought one player, who has been injured for most of his time here. Another hurdle for AT.
Are you for real?
Tactics have everything to do with football. That’s where games are won and loss.
Tactics and formation are used to bring out the best of what you’ve got. The diamond is not working and does not suit the crop of players we have. Sooner Thorn realises that the better.
Im not disputing he’s trying his best but his best is not good enough.
Were better than that.
Yes Tactics do count but but it's not all about tactics as you said it was.
And my point is which you have totally missed is that the players aren't good enough and that is not Thorns fault.
I would like to see any manager take a bad team like CCFC and make them good when every decent asset they have is being sold from underneath them, we have not finished anywhere near the top of the league for years, so how do you expect Thorn to? We had a bad team last year and the year before and the year before, we were only just avoiding relegation then with supposedly better managers then Thorn and better players. Take a reality check, don't moan just for the sake of it or blame someone just for the sake of it, give your opinion yes by all means but don't spout off about stuff you have not got a clue about!
In any business try and turn things around with no joined up thinking at the top. Not going to happen.
Just over a year ago Ranson ( a footballing person and close to the way things were being mismanaged) couldn't take it any longer and walked.
Now, we have a clueless idiot called Wyken who thinks the league table lies, that with a bit of luck and a change of tactics we'd be doing way better.
Its quite terrifying that in this day and age such people are walking the streets.
Yes Tactics do count but but it's not all about tactics as you said it was.
And my point is which you have totally missed is that the players aren't good enough and that is not Thorns fault.
I would like to see any manager take a bad team like CCFC and make them good when every decent asset they have is being sold from underneath them, we have not finished anywhere near the top of the league for years, so how do you expect Thorn to? We had a bad team last year and the year before and the year before, we were only just avoiding relegation then with supposedly better managers then Thorn and better players. Take a reality check, don't moan just for the sake of it or blame someone just for the sake of it, give your opinion yes by all means but don't spout off about stuff you have not got a clue about!
Its alot more scarier that people think 1) tactics don't infulence results and 2) luck doesn't play a part.
You are very deluded if you think either of the above to make a difference.
Nick, The bulk of the team are young tho' - KIDS
What with results going against us plus all the protests etc. it must make them wonder what is going on.....to expect them to be able to have the experience to adapt formations etc. when all they have is youth is actually ridiculous.
Nick, The bulk of the team are young tho' - KIDS
What with results going against us plus all the protests etc. it must make them wonder what is going on.....to expect them to be able to have the experience to adapt formations etc. when all they have is youth is actually ridiculous.
Epic fail, try again in English.
They are being paid to play football, they have been playing football all their lives, they play football all day every day. To say that because they are 19 they can't play a different formation is shocking.
Again, if playing the kids got us hammered every week I could understand, but we don't get hammered every week. Yes, we lose but we don't get hammered and it is usually the odd late goal here and there.
I haven't got a clue? Remind me what fans were saying the other week. We played well, we were unlucky. Vital times this season in vital games, Thorns tactics or lack off have cost us points.
If you opened your eyes to the bigger picture you would see that.
Jesus, too many people nowadays thinks they buy the best players and get instant success..
Its what you do in training, what you see, what you think will bring the best out of players, tactics, formation and set pieces that matters.
Jesus christ and you have the audacity to call me clueless
Your blaming the protests now but not Thorns tactics... priceless.
There old enough to know about formations and tactics. If they don't know by 17/18 then they shouldnt be playing football. Simple as that. When i was 14 i knew what tactics were.
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