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[jordan210]

Yesterday we had 13 corners. Yet I think we only made a clear cut chance from 1 or 2.

We had a couple of good chances when we whipped balls in. But we dint do this every time. we started off aimlessly trying to float balls in. We have been doing the same all season and even the last fews.

Once Doyle went off at one point know one knew who to take them. We really should have a set piece taker who can whip in decent corners.

Also to add when Doyle was on he was taking them on both sides. we really should have 2 people capable of taking them. So we can mix up in and out swingers.

Who ever is our set piece coach needs to go or come up with new ideas. We can't keep waisting set pieces.

 

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[Nick]

Was refreshing to see Westbrooke take them

 

[steve82]

We’re not physically big enough as a side to be enough of a threat at set pieces who ever is delivering the ball in be it lofted or whipped in.

I can only recall JCH heading in from a Tom Davies knock on at Bradford and a Jordy Hiwula poked home ball at Southend we’ve taken the advantage from a set piece.

Our lack of physical presence and height in the side is evident to see when the sides take to the pitch and the amount of goals we’ve conceded from set pieces or 2nd phases of not being able to deal with the initial ball in tells it’s own story.




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[JimmyHillsbeard]

The short corners yesterday were a complete waste of time. Swear we ended up passing back to Burge from two of them (one might have been a free-kick on the edge of their box)

 

[skyblueeyesrevisited]

Floated corners are meat and drink to lower league centre halves. They need to be hit with pace. Also the starting position of our attackers is all wrong. They are static as the ball comes in. No one is ever at the back of the box where over 50% of corners end up. Someone should always peel of to the back of the box.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Floated corners are meat and drink to lower league centre halves. They need to be hit with pace. Also the starting position of our attackers is all wrong. They are static as the ball comes in. No one is ever at the back of the box where over 50% of corners end up. Someone should always peel of to the back of the box.

Correct at least one should start very deep

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

Was thinking exactly the same thing.

Haven’t even got a right footer who can take an inswinger!

Kicking a dead ball should be a must for a professional footballer & speaks volumes about Robins and his coaching staff that we are crap at set pieces.


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[steve82]

We’ve only ever looked effective at set pieces when Tom Davies is on the pitch. We’ve only two or three players in the side who can offer much threat so were marked out the game to easily regardless of if we get the right delivery or set up right to be a threat to put the ball in direct.

I’d favour us to play short corners being a small side and hope we can play the ball in at a better angle as we’ve pulled two markers out the box generally hopefully offering more space.

I’d imagine we’re the worst in the league for scoring from corners with two I think from around 115 - 135 corners taken.

I did see a championship corner chart for each side mid December and compared ours and obviously and that put us down the bottom on that average as I calculated the number we had won and been effective from.

I’ll try and find it again and share it




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[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

Corner kicks are pretty much a myth of English football, where everyone thinks you're likely to score. I think the conversion rate is around 2.4% of corners taken, and I remember seeing a study suggesting there wasn't much more of an advantage from your own goal kick than a corner (in terms of % of scoring). However, I do agree with the OP about the type of delivery we are putting it. Gives us pretty much a 0% chance of scoring. Lofted in to an area where a) the keeper can come claim it or b) a centre back can follow it for an eternity and get rid of it is pointless. It's going to take a hell of an attacking header to get enough power on it to trouble a keeper and that's gambling on a defensive error.

 

[steve82]

This was generated mid December for the championship, in comparison at the time we’d scored 2 from 98 at the time.

That figure now stands at 2 from 129 corners awarded including the 13 at Scunthorpe.

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[steve82]

Another interesting trend in the way sides take corners against a big West Brom side reverting to going short more often.

37 of West Brom's 103 corners faced have now been short (35.92%) - the league average of short corners faced (without WBA) is 12.62%. Interesting how having a tall side can influence an opponents approach when it comes to set-pieces.


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[RegTheDonk]

Another interesting trend in the way sides take corners against a big West Brom side reverting to going short more often.

37 of West Brom's 103 corners faced have now been short (35.92%) - the league average of short corners faced (without WBA) is 12.62%. Interesting how having a tall side can influence an opponents approach when it comes to set-pieces.


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Interesting stats those, thanks. So how are WBA converting their corners? Is it fired in fast and converted by some centre half monster?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

We’ve only ever looked effective at set pieces when Tom Davies is on the pitch. We’ve only two or three players in the side who can offer much threat so were marked out the game to easily regardless of if we get the right delivery or set up right to be a threat to put the ball in direct.

I’d favour us to play short corners being a small side and hope we can play the ball in at a better angle as we’ve pulled two markers out the box generally hopefully offering more space.

I’d imagine we’re the worst in the league for scoring from corners with two I think from around 115 - 135 corners taken.

I did see a championship corner chart for each side mid December and compared ours and obviously and that put us down the bottom on that average as I calculated the number we had won and been effective from.

I’ll try and find it again and share it

Agreed. Despite both being really good defenders, Willis and Hyam struggle to pose a threat from setpieces. This said, I wouldn’t drop either for Davies, who is yet to score for us in 37 appearances.

We definitely lack physicality and that’s area we need to improve upon going forward if we’re to cope with the likes of Scunny, and pose a threat at setpieces. We’ve improved from last season, but to have only scored 2, maybe 3 league goals from setpieces is not good enough.

It’s a conundrum for Robins going forward into future transfer markets. Our only real aerial threat from corners is JCH, we nearly scored a corner in the last 2 games. Scunthorpe just put two men on him because the likes of Sterling, Thomas and Bayliss aren’t posing a real aerial threat.

 

[steve82]

Interesting stats those, thanks. So how are WBA converting their corners? Is it fired in fast and converted by some centre half monster?

That I’m not sure of, while at work later I’ll try and do some digging.

West Brom we’re a useful set piece side in the premier league I think so I’d imagine they have a specialist set piece coach to work on the data....ect


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[steve82]

Agreed. Despite both being really good defenders, Willis and Hyam struggle to pose a threat from setpieces. This said, I wouldn’t drop either for Davies, who is yet to score for us in 37 appearances.

We definitely lack physicality and that’s area we need to improve upon going forward if we’re to cope with the likes of Scunny, and pose a threat at setpieces. We’ve improved from last season, but to have only scored 2, maybe 3 league goals from setpieces is not good enough.

It’s a conundrum for Robins going forward into future transfer markets. Our only real aerial threat from corners is JCH, we nearly scored a corner in the last 2 games. Scunthorpe just put two men on him because the likes of Sterling, Thomas and Bayliss aren’t posing a real aerial threat.

I’m with you on that, I’d not be reinstating Davies on the hope of a better threat from a likely average of 5-6 corners a game. It’s something that needs looking at throughout the side if MR wants a more offensive side at set plays or to be more physically imposing players we often face.

Tom Davies for all the attacking threat he brings has yet to register a professional goal in his career I believe. He’s come close at Southend with the disallowed goal and had a helping hand in 2nd phases of corners knocking balls down or recycling play which we’ve benefited from.


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[Mucca Mad Boys]

I’m with you on that, I’d not be reinstating Davies on the hope of a better threat from a likely average of 5-6 corners a game. It’s something that needs looking at throughout the side if MR wants a more offensive side at set plays or to be more physically imposing players we often face.

Tom Davies for all the attacking threat he brings has yet to register a professional goal in his career I believe. He’s come close at Southend with the disallowed goal and had a helping hand in 2nd phases of corners knocking balls down or recycling play which we’ve benefited from.


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I like Davies, he’s always been unlucky to have not made more starting appearances because Hyam and Willis are playing well at the minute.

Willis leaving may not be the end of the world because it may allow us sign some bigger centre halves to improve our physicality. I’d like Willis to stay, but it may present an opportunity. This summer, the only other areas I can think where we can add physicality is at right back and centre midfield at the moment — but that means displacing Bayliss or Kelly.

 

[steve82]

I like Davies, he’s always been unlucky to have not made more starting appearances because Hyam and Willis are playing well at the minute.

Willis leaving may not be the end of the world because it may allow us sign some bigger centre halves to improve our physicality. I’d like Willis to stay, but it may present an opportunity. This summer, the only other areas I can think where we can add physicality is at right back and centre midfield at the moment — but that means displacing Bayliss or Kelly.

I’m a fan of what Davies brings, MR is pretty blessed in the fact when he brings in the “spare” man he generally performs and retains the shirt. Davies is still very inexperienced for his age too which many don’t expect.

Agree on Willis should he decide to move on, I’d try to find a 6’2”+ version who is athletic and blessed with pace to offer what Hyam don’t bring to the side for balance.

As for bringing in a greater physical presence it’s mostly only the central positions you generally find these types of players who are mobile and able and as you suggest it means taking away Kelly or Bayliss with the addition of a natural target man who’s comfortable to attach a nicely whipped in corner/free kick

That sad it’s a lot to alter instantly in the core of a squad, hopefully in time we can make that alteration to effect.


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[no_loyalty]

Was refreshing to see Westbrooke take them

He did ping some great corners in.

 

[no_loyalty]

When we are defending corners, I don't know why we have to have all of our players back, we should leave Thomas on the halfway line for a quick break (having said that Burge will either not catch the ball from the corner, or kick it straight into touch)

 

[oucho]

It was interesting at Scunthorpe that, when we had corners at the Cov/away end, Doyler went to take them and quite a few fans were screaming at him to leave it and let someone else take it instead.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

If you put the ball in with pace you can head it with power without that it’s very difficult.

Going a long way back Brian borrows used to float all his crosses into the box but Dave Bennett used a lot more pace

 

[Mcbean]

Most effective taker i have seen lately is Shipley who can fizz them in at head height and if anyone connects its a chance - as said above floaters are meat and drink for 2.5m back fours of which there seem to be 20 except ours - but Doyle seems to have taken over when he's playing

 

[Nick]

Westbrooke has taken the best ones so far. It looked like we had a routine and everything.

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

We could have the best headers of the ball in the world but if the delivery and the routine is crap then you won’t score.

Robins and his coaching team don’t seem to have a handle on this. It’s not rocket science to drill a team with some set piece routines!


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[steve82]

We could have the best headers of the ball in the world but if the delivery and the routine is crap then you won’t score.

Robins and his coaching team don’t seem to have a handle on this. It’s not rocket science to drill a team with some set piece routines!


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That’s true but by the same margin the players have the capabilities to put forward suggestions and routines as they are the ones in the game.

MR only needs to stipulate what he requires as a defensive cover the rest the lads should be able to muster something up without the coaching staff during training.



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[stevefloyd]

Ahhh theres your problem...the coaching staff, don't we have a legend who is on the coaching staff, he's got away with being called shit lately so fuck it lets bring him up...
It's all Oggys fault

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Most effective taker i have seen lately is Shipley who can fizz them in at head height and if anyone connects its a chance - as said above floaters are meat and drink for 2.5m back fours of which there seem to be 20 except ours - but Doyle seems to have taken over when he's playing

Agree with you McBean, Shipley has drilled some decent corners (recently at the Ricoh, as I recall). Do need a couple of lumps to be able to get on the end of them, though!

 

[dadgad]

The best taker of corners we had was Gary McAllister but that was largely because he could aim them at Dublin who also knew what to do.

 

[pastythegreat]

Yesterday we had 13 corners. Yet I think we only made a clear cut chance from 1 or 2.

We had a couple of good chances when we whipped balls in. But we dint do this every time. we started off aimlessly trying to float balls in. We have been doing the same all season and even the last fews.

Once Doyle went off at one point know one knew who to take them. We really should have a set piece taker who can whip in decent corners.

Also to add when Doyle was on he was taking them on both sides. we really should have 2 people capable of taking them. So we can mix up in and out swingers.

Who ever is our set piece coach needs to go or come up with new ideas. We can't keep waisting set pieces.

It's not just attacking set pieces, were absolutely dreadful at defending them too. Probably worse than I've ever seen us. We look likely to concede every corner or attacking free kick with half a decent delivery. I just don't understand it

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[Gazolba]

Yesterday we had 13 corners. Yet I think we only made a clear cut chance from 1 or 2.

We had a couple of good chances when we whipped balls in. But we dint do this every time. we started off aimlessly trying to float balls in. We have been doing the same all season and even the last fews.

Once Doyle went off at one point know one knew who to take them. We really should have a set piece taker who can whip in decent corners.

Also to add when Doyle was on he was taking them on both sides. we really should have 2 people capable of taking them. So we can mix up in and out swingers.

Who ever is our set piece coach needs to go or come up with new ideas. We can't keep waisting set pieces.

Totally agree with everything you've said. We also need a long-throw specialist. Makes you wonder what they do in training!

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I agree that corners need to be predominately put in with pace and inswinging if possible. If nothing else it puts a bit of unpredictability into it as it's easier to misjudge and a defender can send a ball flying into their own net or just bounce off someone. After a while it just puts the defence on edge and makes them more likely to make a mistake.

I remember Gary Mac's floaty shite week in, week out. Never looked remotely dangerous.