Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (296 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Brilliant

I love the presentation of facts.

My friend who is probably on her team says the thing they’ve all found hard is that each number represents a human being not just a number and when talking about hospitalisation and deaths it’s hard to get used to

 

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[chiefdave]

Brilliant

I love the presentation of facts.

My friend who is probably on her team says the thing they’ve all found hard is that each number represents a human being not just a number and when talking about hospitalisation and deaths it’s hard to get used to

The graph which shows the big drop in NI a week on from closing the schools is very telling.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The graph which shows the big drop in NI a week on from closing the schools is very telling.

Predicted as much when they did it

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Predicted as much when they did it

Yep so does the graph showing how to get the r rate down. I have no problem keeping schools open so long as it’s acknowledged that it requires other steps to avoid issues in hospital or deaths

 

[clint van damme]

Frightening stuff

 

[David O'Day]

Yep so does the graph showing how to get the r rate down. I have no problem keeping schools open so long as it’s acknowledged that it requires other steps to avoid issues in hospital or deaths

yep closing everything but schools would take 9 weeks of lockdown

why are the official version of sage so scared to admit these things

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yep so does the graph showing how to get the r rate down. I have no problem keeping schools open so long as it’s acknowledged that it requires other steps to avoid issues in hospital or deaths

I would take 3 weeks of everything shut over 9 weeks of turgid crap

 

[David O'Day]

I would take 3 weeks of everything shut over 9 weeks of turgid crap

So would most but at least it shows there is a way out if the government can get it's act in order

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So would most but at least it shows there is a way out if the government can get it's act in order

Sell to the public as ripping off a plaster with better to come at the end

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So would most but at least it shows there is a way out if the government can get it's act in order

i suppose it’s more of a way through rather than out and as she says keeping things working is only possible with a test trace and isolate system that works

 

[chiefdave]

why are the official version of sage so scared to admit these things

A lot of the scientists who are on official SAGE have been saying similar. Going back to the summer there was a constant stream of SAGE experts appearing in the media saying if we were going to open schools closures would be needed elsewhere. They've also recommended a national lockdown and said the longer it is left the less effective it will be. Problem is the government aren't listening.

 

[David O'Day]

Covid spreading faster in England than 'worst-case scenario', documents show

Infection levels in England are about four times higher than the government's worst-case winter plan.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

A lot of the scientists who are on official SAGE have been saying similar. Going back to the summer there was a constant stream of SAGE experts appearing in the media saying if we were going to open schools closures would be needed elsewhere. They've also recommended a national lockdown and said the longer it is left the less effective it will be. Problem is the government aren't listening.

I guess they've looked at the negative polling response to Starmer calling for a national lockdown and decided it's not worth it. As usual letting the class set the rules

 

[Kieranp96]

We're past lock down now anyway estimated something like 120k people are getting it per day around England now, just got to cross our Fi gera and hope the NHS has the capacity but since cove hospital is doubling every 5 or so Days I doubt it very much.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

We're past lock down now anyway estimated something like 120k people are getting it per day around England now, just got to cross our Fi gera and hope the NHS has the capacity but since cove hospital is doubling every 5 or so Days I doubt it very much.

It's better late than never. It will have a knock on effect after a few weeks. Even if we do exceed capacity if we go into a lockdown/circuit breaker it'll prevent it getting even worse in the weeks/months that follow. If not we're going to have problems all over, not just covid. Other patients will die due to support being unavailable in other areas. Front line staff will be massively at risk due to number of cases and the massive stress that comes with that, esp mixed in with the short days and lack of vit D affecting people's mood and mental health.

It's been fucked up again but two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[SBAndy]

We're past lock down now anyway estimated something like 120k people are getting it per day around England now, just got to cross our Fi gera and hope the NHS has the capacity but since cove hospital is doubling every 5 or so Days I doubt it very much.

So do nothing but cross fingers and hope for the best? The horse has bolted but it doesn’t mean we should let the other horses follow out of the wide open gate.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So do nothing but cross fingers and hope for the best? The horse has bolted but it doesn’t mean we should let the other horses follow out of the wide open gate.

Nah according to him the country hasn’t been in better shape

 

[wingy]

Lucky it isn't the 20-40 demographic .
Can't beat a bit of collateral euthanasia.

 

[wingy]

Nah according to him the country hasn’t been in better shape

Cretin .

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Cretin .

My guess is if the NEU/NASUWT started calling for an evidence-driven 3 week total lockdown including schools Boris would revert to getting Williamson to 'crack the unions'

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Second confirmed case in my office today. Still not telling people who it is.

One colleague has told me it is the sales director who has not been following the rules. Would make sense why they are covering it up.

A client has told me today he spoke to another sales guy who says he has it, the same colleague who's house I was at on Friday. This colleague won't tell me anything because he is scared to get in trouble.


I've just emailed my director asking if he thinks I need to get a test. He said 'follow government guidlines' in a very carefully worded email.

Utter fucking shambles.

 

[Kieranp96]

It's better late than never. It will have a knock on effect after a few weeks. Even if we do exceed capacity if we go into a lockdown/circuit breaker it'll prevent it getting even worse in the weeks/months that follow. If not we're going to have problems all over, not just covid. Other patients will die due to support being unavailable in other areas. Front line staff will be massively at risk due to number of cases and the massive stress that comes with that, esp mixed in with the short days and lack of vit D affecting people's mood and mental health.

It's been fucked up again but two wrongs don't make a right.

But as soon as lock down is over it will explode again, it's not like ebola or other viruses, shit stays on money for 28 days I think they said.

 

[Kieranp96]

So do nothing but cross fingers and hope for the best? The horse has bolted but it doesn’t mean we should let the other horses follow out of the wide open gate.

Who said do nothing? If you hadn't noticed more and more places are going into t3 lock down.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

But as soon as lock down is over it will explode again, it's not like ebola or other viruses, shit stays on money for 28 days I think they said.

It will return yes, but the strategy is to stop health services being overwhelmed with many cases at the same time. If we can slow transmission again so that doesn't happen it could make a massive difference to people surviving by getting cases down. I'm not putting it forward as a cure but a mitigating factor that will help reduce the impact.

Saying "well what's the point it'll only come back when it ends" you may as well say "well, why bother giving any healthcare to anyone for anything. they'll only end up getting ill again or dying of old age in the future so it's just wasting money delaying the inevitable"

 

[Kieranp96]

It will return yes, but the strategy is to stop health services being overwhelmed with many cases at the same time. If we can slow transmission again so that doesn't happen it could make a massive difference to people surviving by getting cases down. I'm not putting it forward as a cure but a mitigating factor that will help reduce the impact.

Saying "well what's the point it'll only come back when it ends" you may as well say "well, why bother giving any healthcare to anyone for anything. they'll only end up getting ill again or dying of old age in the future so it's just wasting money delaying the inevitable"

I think we're past protecting it.

 

[Ian1779]

My guess is if the NEU/NASUWT started calling for an evidence-driven 3 week total lockdown including schools Boris would revert to getting Williamson to 'crack the unions'

With Starmer ‘supporting the Government measures’

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Can anyone please explain why we are still waiting and what we are waiting for???

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Can anyone please explain why we are still waiting and what we are waiting for???

Duncan Smith to give the nod

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Duncan Smith to give the nod

France 580 deaths just round the corner

 

[Ian1779]

Can anyone please explain why we are still waiting and what we are waiting for???

Boris locked himself in a fridge.

 

[shmmeee]

Who said do nothing? If you hadn't noticed more and more places are going into t3 lock down.

Watch that Independent SAGE presentation. Areas that have been in Tier 3 have shown no slowdown in spread. The tier system is essentially doing nothing. If you think about it people travel from Cov to London, Birmingham, Warwickshire, Northamptonshire for work, there’s no way you can have effective local measures really.

It seems it’s got to be short sharp shocks. We need to have a plan for when we need a 2/3 week lockdown and be ready to go. You can’t half arse this thing.

And for gods sake we need a working track and trace program. It’s criminal we’re still failing on that.

 

[Ian1779]

 

[chiefdave]

Why is everything in the papers days before the government announce it, no way to run the country.

 

[Ian1779]

It’s pointless not closing schools. That said a lot of parents will pull kids out of school if it happens.

 

[chiefdave]

I think we're past protecting it.

We're getting close but we desperately need to avoid reaching that tipping point where the NHS is overwhelmed. Deaths would go through the roof if that happened. Nightingale hospitals will be little use when there's no staff to run them.