Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (16 Viewers)

shmmeee · Nov 15, 2020

David O'Day said:
Cases in the Coventry area are going in the wrong direction again after seeming to level of and start to drop.

Haven’t seen the data, but does it correlate with half term at all?

clint van damme said:
Now I think anti vaxxers are absolute roasters.
But scanning today's news I've seen articles about Labour wanting social media platforms to censor anti Vax content and in Denmark they want to introduce enforced vaccination for certain groups.

A bit draconian surely?

For background, I left Labour in the early 2000s because of their authoritarian tendencies. However in this case I think it’s spot on. Anti vaccine bollocks has the potential to kill considerably more than terrorism and do significantly more economic damage. A lot of it is pushed by hostile state actors.

It’s a criminal, health and security issue and we’ve set precedent with anti terror laws that we should crack down on it. Even then telling SM sites they have a broadcasting responsibility isn’t new here and no one AFAIK is taking about prosecuting individual nutters.

shmmeee · Nov 15, 2020

chiefdave said:
A quick google suggests exactly that. In the UK the aim for existing vaccines is 95% uptake. At that point the infamous herd immunity kicks in as circulation drops, below that you have things like the measles outbreak in Wales a few years back.

If the vaccine is 90% effective think what happens if only half the country agrees to have it, still huge potential for outbreaks and the NHS being overrun. Hopefully the anti-vexers are a loud but very small group and most people will have it so we can get back to something approaching normal by next summer.

One of the many things I’m proud of the U.K. for is that we have among the lowest levels of anti vaccine sentiment in the world:

And the few who say they wouldn’t take it are young and not at risk so aren’t 100% definite nuts.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 15, 2020

shmmeee said:
One of the many things I’m proud of the U.K. for is that we have among the lowest levels of anti vaccine sentiment in the world:

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And the few who say they wouldn’t take it are young and not at risk so aren’t 100% definite nuts.

Surprised Brazil is so high, given their leader.

Not surprised China is low. When their government will do whatever they feel like to you, it's hard to be confident!

David O'Day · Nov 15, 2020

shmmeee said:
Haven’t seen the data, but does it correlate with half term at all?

For background, I left Labour in the early 2000s because of their authoritarian tendencies. However in this case I think it’s spot on. Anti vaccine bollocks has the potential to kill considerably more than terrorism and do significantly more economic damage. A lot of it is pushed by hostile state actors.

It’s a criminal, health and security issue and we’ve set precedent with anti terror laws that we should crack down on it. Even then telling SM sites they have a broadcasting responsibility isn’t new here and no one AFAIK is taking about prosecuting individual nutters.

With the 4 to 5 day incubation period the dip looks a bit too early for half term

Ian1779 · Nov 15, 2020

Boris self isolating.....

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 15, 2020

Ian1779 said:
Boris self isolating.....

Be a good test of his antibodies

wingy · Nov 15, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
Yes, new Labour is back most definitely

That's the thing isn't it.
They're doing the Gov'ts work for them .
Shouldn't it be them that take the brickbats for any restrictions or enforcement , unless of course we carry on the subliminal messaging that ensured Stellar adherence to the rules up to now .

shmmeee · Nov 15, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
Yes, new Labour is back most definitely

Not sure we’re at ID card and 90 day detention levels yet, But if we get New Labour style majorities im all for it.

wingy · Nov 15, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
I'm basically on Facebook for groups to share my hobbies. Turns out the people who like my posts are reactionary swivel eyed loons. Some of the posts on their profile pages are all about how government want to control, and track (if they thought rationally, they'd realise that even if they wanted to, our government would be unable to track our movements, even if they implanted all of us) and how the flu vaccine is really Mercury and kills everyone who takes it.

That kind of nutter behaviour is bad enough on a profile page. Extend it to adverts and absolutely, it should be banned.

Also, if any vaccine is 90% effective, it needs as many as possible to have it, to damp the risk. I'm not for forcing people to have it, but am for the censoring of crazed bullshit.

But everyone knows about the chip implanted when they wheel you off to sort the umbilical cord anyway.

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 15, 2020

shmmeee said:
Not sure we’re at ID card and 90 day detention levels yet, But if we get New Labour style majorities im all for it.

We'll need to flip a hell of a lot of English seats to do that, I don't see it.

stupot07 · Nov 15, 2020

Anyone else think this Boris 'self isolation' is just a convenient 'hiding in the fridge' to avoid 2 weeks of PMQs and other forms if scrutiny following the cummings exit and probably the 2 most important weeks of brexit so far and rising Covid 19 deaths and infections.

Why wasn't he socially distancing and/or wearing ppe in the meeting with his fellow mp?

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shmmeee · Nov 16, 2020

stupot07 said:
Anyone else think this Boris 'self isolation' is just a convenient 'hiding in the fridge' to avoid 2 weeks of PMQs and other forms if scrutiny following the cummings exit and probably the 2 most important weeks of brexit so far and rising Covid 19 deaths and infections.

Why wasn't he socially distancing and/or wearing ppe in the meeting with his fellow mp?

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Nah, this was his big relaunch as cuddly Boris week.

shmmeee · Nov 16, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
We'll need to flip a hell of a lot of English seats to do that, I don't see it.

I don’t either. But I don’t see the New Labour comparisons sooo...

clint van damme · Nov 16, 2020

shmmeee said:
Nah, this was his big relaunch as cuddly Boris week.

Wonder if it will ever dawn on them to actually try governing the country through the crisis rather than spending all day scratching each others eyes out?

Nick · Nov 16, 2020

Just put the TV on, Morgan still shouting and ranting rather than letting people speak.

He makes their jobs easier by shouting over them to let them slip out of things.

Ian1779 · Nov 16, 2020

Being in self-isolation is possibly the worst thing that could happen for him.

As he’s supposedly had it, if he contracts it again then it has a huge impact on the idea of returning to normality, would the imminent vaccine be able to counter this development?

He was no doubt going to relaunch himself this week post-Cummings yet he’s stuck in his flat, numbers of cases, hospitalisations and deaths will carry on rising all whilst he is ‘absent’ He doesn’t even have a worthwhile story to drop into the news to take away the distraction.

Skybluefaz · Nov 16, 2020

Nick said:
Just put the TV on, Morgan still shouting and ranting rather than letting people speak.

He makes their jobs easier by shouting over them to let them slip out of things.

He's a desperate man

BodicoteSkyBlue · Nov 16, 2020

Maybe this MP Lee Anderson was planted on Boris as a farewell gift from Cummings

Ian1779 · Nov 16, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
He's a desperate man

He might be shouty and a bit aggressive at times, but hardly what I’d call desperate when he’s one of the few people in the news/media that tries to hold the government to account.

Skybluefaz · Nov 16, 2020

Ian1779 said:
He might be shouty and a bit aggressive at times, but hardly what I’d call desperate when he’s one of the few people in the news/media that tries to hold the government to account.

He may be on my side of the argument, he's still trying desperately hard to appear to be the voice of reason. There is no need to lay it on so thick. He's still the bloke who got upset about vegan sausage rolls so he could get pats on the back. Still the phone tapper.

Nick · Nov 16, 2020

Ian1779 said:
He might be shouty and a bit aggressive at times, but hardly what I’d call desperate when he’s one of the few people in the news/media that tries to hold the government to account.

Thing is this morning he was too busy ranting and talking over him that he let him off the hook easily.

It reminds me of when people would aimlessly shout at Tim Fisher and he would love it because he didn't really have to answer anything as people were too busy ranting that we hadn't signed Messi.

shmmeee · Nov 16, 2020

Nick said:
Thing is this morning he was too busy ranting and talking over him that he let him off the hook easily.

It reminds me of when people would aimlessly shout at Tim Fisher and he would love it because he didn't really have to answer anything as people were too busy ranting that we hadn't signed Messi.

You aren’t going to get anything out of a modern political interview. You’ve got two choices:

The BBC route of being deferential and kind and not asking any questions or if you do letting them ignore them. This results in the robotic pre scripted answers we always get.

The Morgan route of knowing you won’t get anything so unloading on them for ratings.

The Fisher analogy holds up as neither route got any answers out of him either. Not a lot you can do when faced with someone who’s entire job is not to tell you anything but the party line.

Grendel · Nov 16, 2020

Nick said:
Thing is this morning he was too busy ranting and talking over him that he let him off the hook easily.

It reminds me of when people would aimlessly shout at Tim Fisher and he would love it because he didn't really have to answer anything as people were too busy ranting that we hadn't signed Messi.

He’s a shallow interviewer and a celebrity hunter. There are few real political interviewers around of much gravitas. Andrew Neil is a long way the best of a bad bunch but Brian Waldon will dispair from his grave how someone like Morgan could even be considered anything more than a pantomime character. None of The leaders of either party over the last decade would have lasted 2 minutes with him

SBT · Nov 16, 2020

Sounds like the Moderna vaccine in the US is even more effective than the Pfizer one (and can be stored at higher temperatures too)

Moderna: Covid vaccine shows nearly 95% protection

The results add to growing confidence that vaccination can end the pandemic.

www.bbc.co.uk

The big unanswered question is whether vaccination stops you spreading the disease, as well as just suffering from it.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 16, 2020

SBT said:
Sounds like the Moderna vaccine in the US is even more effective than the Pfizer one (and can be stored at higher temperatures too)

Moderna: Covid vaccine shows nearly 95% protection

The results add to growing confidence that vaccination can end the pandemic.

www.bbc.co.uk

The big unanswered question is whether vaccination stops you spreading the disease, as well as just suffering from it.

Pfizer, the head honcho reckons it reduces spread by about 50% (although yet to be signed off on that).

fernandopartridge · Nov 16, 2020

SBT said:
Sounds like the Moderna vaccine in the US is even more effective than the Pfizer one (and can be stored at higher temperatures too)

Moderna: Covid vaccine shows nearly 95% protection

The results add to growing confidence that vaccination can end the pandemic.

www.bbc.co.uk

The big unanswered question is whether vaccination stops you spreading the disease, as well as just suffering from it.

My understanding is that a vaccine generally kills the virus so quickly so as to heavily limit the ability to pass it on to others

David O'Day · Nov 16, 2020

If the AstraZeneca vaccine yields similar results to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines potentially this is humanities way out early.

Skybluefaz · Nov 16, 2020

skybluetony176 · Nov 16, 2020

Skybluefaz said:

#frontofthequeue

Ian1779 · Nov 16, 2020

Nick said:
Thing is this morning he was too busy ranting and talking over him that he let him off the hook easily.

I see what you mean - but watching the interviewer basically hand-hold the minister like you see on the BBC for example is even more unfuriating. I remember Morgan interviewing Helen Whately for example and showing her up for the incompetent muppet she so clearly is.

ajsccfc · Nov 16, 2020

There was a Russian vaccine claiming 92% last week too, looking forward to them revising it to 96% later on today.

Ian1779 · Nov 16, 2020

ajsccfc said:
There was a Russian vaccine claiming 92% last week too, looking forward to them revising it to 96% later on today.

I’m looking forward to the North Korean vaccine claiming 147%

fernandopartridge · Nov 16, 2020

You can well imagine people here with the same attitude:

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Nov 16, 2020

stupot07 said:
Anyone else think this Boris 'self isolation' is just a convenient 'hiding in the fridge' to avoid 2 weeks of PMQs and other forms if scrutiny following the cummings exit and probably the 2 most important weeks of brexit so far and rising Covid 19 deaths and infections.

Why wasn't he socially distancing and/or wearing ppe in the meeting with his fellow mp?

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The though had crossed my mind. It does seem convenient. But then I was sceptical last time and he was genuinely ill

clint van damme · Nov 16, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
You can well imagine people here with the same attitude:

I know 2 people who've been ill with Covid who've had people try to tell them its not real. In one instance it's ended a long friendship.

There are people who won't accept it until either they get it or one of their close family does.

In other news covid has got into the Mother in.laws care home and they've contacted the family for permission to vaccinate which suggests they are expecting to have it available imminently.

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