Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (12 Viewers)

[Ccfcisparks]

Well 48 hours and still waiting for my result. Feel slightly better today, even if still under the weather.

 

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[CCFCSteve]

They can always just test more people to keep us in lockdown anyway.

Announcement on Monday is it? God, we need some good news.

That’s a good point ESB and the data has been manipulated in the past. It’s always worth checking number of daily tests alongside the confirmed cases (over a few days) to give a true picture of situation (and hopefully decline). I think the community sample testing would have to be taken into consideration as well as that picks up asymptomatic cases but more importantly the need to consider hospital cases*.

Basically that 1k per day comment (on its own) is nonsense, for example if its a relatively stable 3k per day (from 750k tests) and nobodys ending up serious ill due to a successful vaccine roll out, then that’s surely a lot better than 1k per day (from 200k tests) and 300 ending up in hospital.

There’s plenty for them to consider. Let’s just all hope that it’s done sensibly and the numbers across the board keep coming down at a decent rate

*in four weeks PHE Covid inpatients has dropped from 34k to 15.5k which is great news

 

[Macca1987]

Got my first vaccination yesterday evening, the oxford one, bit of a headache and queasy this morning but apart from that, all systems go

 

[clint van damme]

government lose court case regarding transparency of contracts handed out during pandemic, (squandering even more public money in the process).
Let's see how much MSM coverage this get.

The judgment is in - Good Law Project

The High Court has ruled “The Secretary of State acted unlawfully by failing to comply with the Transparency Policy” and that “there is now no dispute that, in a substantial number of cases, the Secretary of State breached his legal obligation to publish Contract Award Notices within 30 days of...

goodlawproject.org

 

[skyblueinBaku]

Got my first vaccination yesterday evening, the oxford one, bit of a headache and queasy this morning but apart from that, all systems go

I had a similar experience after my first jab last week. The following day I had a headache, but that cleared up and I had no other reactions.

 

[fernandopartridge]

government lose court case regarding transparency of contracts handed out during pandemic, (squandering even more public money in the process).
Let's see how much MSM coverage this get.

The judgment is in - Good Law Project

The High Court has ruled “The Secretary of State acted unlawfully by failing to comply with the Transparency Policy” and that “there is now no dispute that, in a substantial number of cases, the Secretary of State breached his legal obligation to publish Contract Award Notices within 30 days of...

goodlawproject.org

Interesting. I'm as guilty as anybody in not publishing Contract Award Notices, the legal obligation to do so is pretty toothless (see the judgment here, there is no formal sanction or setting aside of the contract etc). I don't think it necessarily the case that people are trying to avoid scrutiny tbh, it will be as much down to publication of Contract Award Notices being quite low down the list of priorities when you're trying to buy goods and services in an emergency.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Test came back negative. Surprised, guess its just me being run down thats brought on all these symptoms the last week or so.

 

[shmmeee]

Missus was supposed to start vaccinating Monday, but they’ve run out of doses so not starting until later in the week. Wonder if this is the Pfizer slowdown they were on about.

 

[skybluetony176]

government lose court case regarding transparency of contracts handed out during pandemic, (squandering even more public money in the process).
Let's see how much MSM coverage this get.

The judgment is in - Good Law Project

The High Court has ruled “The Secretary of State acted unlawfully by failing to comply with the Transparency Policy” and that “there is now no dispute that, in a substantial number of cases, the Secretary of State breached his legal obligation to publish Contract Award Notices within 30 days of...

goodlawproject.org

Covid: Matt Hancock acted unlawfully over pandemic contracts

The health secretary breached his "legal obligation" to publish details of deals, the High Court rules.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

Covid: Matt Hancock acted unlawfully over pandemic contracts

The health secretary breached his "legal obligation" to publish details of deals, the High Court rules.

www.bbc.co.uk

The more interesting cases are yet to come, they're mentioned in the judgment that the Good Law Project published. This one is just a slap on the wrist really.

 

[clint van damme]

Interesting. I'm as guilty as anybody in not publishing Contract Award Notices, the legal obligation to do so is pretty toothless (see the judgment here, there is no formal sanction or setting aside of the contract etc). I don't think it necessarily the case that people are trying to avoid scrutiny tbh, it will be as much down to publication of Contract Award Notices being quite low down the list of priorities when you're trying to buy goods and services in an emergency.

I appreciate you're far more knowledgeable on these matters than me but given who some of the contracts have gone to, their connections to the tory party and their lack of experience or expertise in the sectors they won contracts for I find it hard to believe there isn't something amiss.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Cases in hospitals halved from 30k to 15k in just 3 weeks. Really good news.

 

[covmark]

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More good news about the gap between first and second dose Pfizer jabs.

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[Sky Blue Pete]

From the Covid app


COVID in numbers

Daily new cases have fallen steadily for 6 consecutive weeks now, but in the last few days the rate of decrease has plateaued, with R values moving back towards 0.9. It’s unclear why this is happening, so please make sure you keep logging with us so we can follow this change in near real time.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Given the dominance of the more transmissible new strain isn't an R of just under 1 about as good as it's likely to get?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I've had phlegm in the back of my throat for about 3 days. Keeping me awake more than normal. Literally won't go away.

Can't see that it is a covid symptom though.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I've had phlegm in the back of my throat for about 3 days. Keeping me awake more than normal. Literally won't go away.

Can't see that it is a covid symptom though.

It snot

 

[ajsccfc]

One dose of Pfizer is said to give 85% protection according to studies in Israel, and they've revised the storage so now it can be kept at a more normal refridgeration temperature. Let's get ice cream vans loaded up

 

[skybluetony176]

The more interesting cases are yet to come, they're mentioned in the judgment that the Good Law Project published. This one is just a slap on the wrist really.

Was reading it earlier

The judgment is in - Good Law Project

The High Court has ruled “The Secretary of State acted unlawfully by failing to comply with the Transparency Policy” and that “there is now no dispute that, in a substantial number of cases, the Secretary of State breached his legal obligation to publish Contract Award Notices within 30 days of...

goodlawproject.org

“Government’s behaviour came under criticism in the judgment. If it had admitted to being in breach of the law when we first raised our concerns, it would have never been necessary to take this judicial review to its conclusion. Instead, they chose a path of obfuscation, racking up over £200,000 of legal costs as a result. “

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Cases in hospitals halved from 30k to 15k in just 3 weeks. Really good news.
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Many of those died though

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Just reading about a 48 year old man who had a stroke and died having waited 3 hrs for an ambulance whist 5 mins from the hospital. Clearly won’t be on on any Covid statistics

 

[shmmeee]

Pete, are you OK?

never seen you so negative on here both sides of the forum.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Pete, are you OK?

never seen you so negative on here both sides of the forum.

It’s a good question. And thanks for caring. I’m doing ok

 

[shmmeee]

It’s a good question. And thanks for caring. I’m doing ok

Look after yourself mate. Everyone’s struggling right now, I know I am.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I know Pete and it’s really sad. But the numbers are heading in the right direction now. There’s light at the end of the tunnel

 

[Sbarcher]

Got my first vaccination yesterday evening, the oxford one, bit of a headache and queasy this morning but apart from that, all systems go

That’ll be the 6 pints and whiskey chasers!

 

[shmmeee]

Anyway back to your normal schedules programming:

Just when I thought Johnson was starting to take scientific advice seriously:

Whitty at odds with Johnson over 'big bang' reopening of schools in England | Schools | The Guardian

Chief medical officer is said to be ‘very unhappy’ with plans for all children to go back to class on 8 March

amp.theguardian.com

Just what we were all saying. No reason to open everything straight away.

 

[skybluetony176]

Anyway back to your normal schedules programming:

Just when I thought Johnson was starting to take scientific advice seriously:

Whitty at odds with Johnson over 'big bang' reopening of schools in England | Schools | The Guardian

Chief medical officer is said to be ‘very unhappy’ with plans for all children to go back to class on 8 March

amp.theguardian.com

Just what we were all saying. No reason to open everything straight away.

Mine won’t be going back. As a parent I feel I need to take up the slack of incompetent government. All he’ll be doing is sending us into a 3rd lockdown if he rushes everything back.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Was this story

Tragic really

Ambulance delays led to 'secondary Covid victims'

Waiting times outside some hospitals increased over Christmas, with a knock-on effect for 999 call-outs

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[CCFCSteve]

Anyway back to your normal schedules programming:

Just when I thought Johnson was starting to take scientific advice seriously:

Whitty at odds with Johnson over 'big bang' reopening of schools in England | Schools | The Guardian

Chief medical officer is said to be ‘very unhappy’ with plans for all children to go back to class on 8 March

amp.theguardian.com

Just what we were all saying. No reason to open everything straight away.

Its all rumours at the moment though Shmmeee, I’ve seen so many differing views in the press about what’s going to happen, as sides push their own agenda/apply pressure, who really knows.

I’d personally go primary back first (as easier for secondary school kids to study from home alone) and then secondaries go back end March.

Having said that, unless their is proper evidence to the contrary regarding high transmission in these areas (and assuming numbers continue to decline), I’d also have gyms and hospitality gradually reopening (with restrictions etc) from early April

 

[shmmeee]

Its all rumours at the moment though Shmmeee, I’ve seen so many differing views in the press about what’s going to happen, as sides push their own agenda/apply pressure, who really knows.

I’d personally go primary back first (as easier for secondary school kids to study from home alone) and then secondaries go back end March.

Having said that, unless their is proper evidence to the contrary regarding high transmission in these areas (and assuming numbers continue to decline), I’d also have gyms and hospitality gradually reopening (with restrictions etc) from early April

I think for me I’d want to see the current phase first jabs completed, so all over 50 and vulnerable. Or at least support those in that group to stay at home and shield until they get their jab, plus a couple of weeks for vaccine efficacy to get up to speed.

On current timescales I think that’s around mid April, plus say two weeks for the vaccine to kick in.

Takes a couple of weeks for it to spread from younger to older groups it seems, so say mid April. Summer term starts 25th so that seems like a good point to aim for for full opening. In the mean time do primaries and maybe final years of secondary if they can work a timetable out that allows distancing and doesn’t kill teachers still needing to remote teach other classes.

From start of May (my birthday what a coincidence), you’ll have an idea how cases are affected, assuming it’s all good I’d open up hospitality with strict rules like before and non essential retail. See how we go over summer with hotter weather and the vulnerable vaccinated. Hopefully by September most adults have had their first dose and we don’t ever need to lock down again.

 

[Ian1779]

I really hoped they had learnt something by now. When we opened in September daily cases were 1-2K. Now if he goes and opens full tilt on 8th March it’s likely cases will be around 7-8K. A phased return along with a vaccination program can end this once and for all, but we are destined to repeat it all over again.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Interesting. I'm as guilty as anybody in not publishing Contract Award Notices, the legal obligation to do so is pretty toothless (see the judgment here, there is no formal sanction or setting aside of the contract etc). I don't think it necessarily the case that people are trying to avoid scrutiny tbh, it will be as much down to publication of Contract Award Notices being quite low down the list of priorities when you're trying to buy goods and services in an emergency.

Fair enough. Have to ask if the legislation stating about the Award Notices is deliberately toothless so they can get away with things like this though.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Funny how various rumours are doing the rounds about the coming out of lockdown process.

Bet it was leaked on purpose again.

 

[clint van damme]

Funny how various rumours are doing the rounds about the coming out of lockdown process.

Bet it was leaked on purpose again.

I wonder who could be responsible?

Carrie Symonds' role in 'governing' the UK should be investigated, Tory think-tank says

The Bow Group is concerned that Ms Symonds may be having an influence inside Number 10, despite holding no role.

news.sky.com