Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (158 Viewers)
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Terry Gibson's perm
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Just been past the Ricoh testing centre one car there and most of the staff standing around chatting not social distancing.
clint van damme
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down around a third, same as new cases.
Not such a dramatic drop in hospital numbers though still well down, great news overall.
David O'Day
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It's starting to rise again in at least 15 LEA areas so I hop ewe don't fuck this up
Skybluefaz
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London numbers have dropped massively whereas the North and Midlands seems more stubborn. All this despite the new variation being responsible for massive numbers in London around Xmas time. Was there ever any truth to the variation being more deadly as Johnson said once in the press conference? Seems to have been forgotten about, I presume he was just lying but you never know.
Sky Blue Pete
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Still high aren’t they
clint van damme
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because up until now there has never been a requirement to get a vaccination and a certificate of proof in order to travel, none whatsoever. It's a totally new concept!
Saddlebrains
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Doesn't matter though really does it? I suppose it wouldn't matter if cases fly up when schools go back as long as people aren't being hospitalised or dying. Big test for the vaccine from next week
Sky Blue Pete
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Mutations happen when the virus is mingling. That’s the only matter. It has to be one of the considerations. I don’t know if that’s a genuine worry or a theoretical one. I have to tell myself not to worry as I can’t do anything about it
David O'Day
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Saddlebrains
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Oh i agree the variants are a worry, but is it the massive problem the press seems to be making it? Viruses mutate all the time, its there nature, always has been.
Surely basic maths shows that with 20 million vaccinated, and say at least 3 or 4 million with antibodies from having the virus from the last 6 months, we cant be far off the point where any variant wouldn't make a difference anyway?
Notice the case numbers and death rates seem to have disappeared from the headlines now they no longer scare people also?
I'm probably talking shit but i fear its scaremongering. The Kent variant, the South African variant we're all something to br scared of apparently, and lo and behold its made no difference to the vaccine
chiefdave
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Its so hard to get reliable information even if you're using supposedly 'legit' news sources. Think some of the mainstream press have to take at look at some of their reporting and scaremongering during this crisis.
When a 'variant of concern' is reported what does that actually mean. For example there's a huge difference between this is a new variant we need to research as part of a standard procedure but nothing to be unduly worried about and everyone should panic because there's a vaccine resistant and more infectious variant the has, at least, the same health impact.
When variants were first spoken about it was acknowledged there would be numerous variants but the general consensus seemed to be that they mutate to survive an in doing so become less effective. Now every variant is presented as a worse case scenario. Is that down to how its being reported or what is actually being backed up by research?
Sky Blue Pete
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That’s what I’d read too
shmmeee
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Most of the sensible COVID people I follow on Twitter are talking about vaccine success more than anything. Now they’re as prone to bias as anyone else, but I’m guessing it’s mostly media hyperbole.
Evo1883
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Was reading an article that caught my attention, it was the dialy mail however it caught my attention in passing through social media as it talked about people coming forward and talking about family members dying and having their deaths put down as covid despite never having tested positive etc etc.
This is one of the things that's bothered me since the beginning tbh but it can never be changed or I highly doubt investigated properly either once we've moved on shall we say and the dust settles..
Its alway been clear to me that death figures are over inflated to a degree, to what degree we will probably never know but I feel for all the families out there who have this to deal with this.
The government have got so many things wrong during this pandemic, this is surely one of them
This is one of the things that's bothered me since the beginning tbh but it can never be changed or I highly doubt investigated properly either once we've moved on shall we say and the dust settles..
Its alway been clear to me that death figures are over inflated to a degree, to what degree we will probably never know but I feel for all the families out there who have this to deal with this.
The government have got so many things wrong during this pandemic, this is surely one of them
shmmeee
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It’s nonsense. If anything we under counted to start with.
It’s a problem with cause of death basically. It’s not as cut and dried as people think “Oh he died of X”, a judgement has to be made about what pushed them over the edge from likely multiple things together.
So early on people were dying “from” things other than COVID who wouldn’t have died without COVID. Then they brought in the general rule about within 28 days of a positive test to have some more reliable data. But like all data choices that comes with caveats around capturing some people and missing others (those who never got tested or died after a long period of complications for example).
We know the deaths aren’t inflated generally by looking at excess deaths basically. There were something like 60/70k excess deaths last year and that’s with things like driving deaths virtually disappearing. And there’ll be more at the start of this year.
The Mail are just doing what the Mail do with every health issue and spouting uninformed nonsense to whip people into a panic. This was the paper that pushed the MMR nonsense and a million fake cancer causes/cures remember. Their audience eats this shit up.
Evo1883
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I dont read the mail, but I don't see anything wrong with the article tbh..
I'm not a covid denier by any stretch, have pretty much kept in line with the majority view of the forum here for some time... However a 28 day period... Then even longer was applied at one point to class as death from covid... It's not all legitimate,one women 99 never tested positive had dementia and COPD... Covid on certificate
I dont believe its under whatsoever... Even being balanced I believe its over inflated... Maybe only by a small number though,Problem is nobody will ever know
It's a disaster for families who've been put through this, not us on here who don't know what it is to experience this ... That's all I can say on it
Sky Blue Pete
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If my mum dies, and I ask the doctor what happened and he tells me "She died of coronavirus", why wouldn't I believe them?
Evo1883
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You'd believe them, if she had severe dementia and COPD , there were zero cases in her care home and she'd never tested positive?
I just find that strange
Let's say for the purpose of this thread the numbers are incorrect, either lower or higher and its a bit of a tragedy either way as we will never know the true extent of the virus... I don't believe the figures are correct one way or the other
I do feel for the families who will never know what really killed their loved ones
I don't have a medical degree, so yes.
I would probably ask a doctor
I would think that a doctor treating a geriatric dementia patient in a care home would have done some tests. And I would think their diagnosis, whatever it was based on, would be more accurate than mine. But what do I know, that's just an educated guess.
But anyway, as you say, clearly you don't really wish to argue
Also this is correct - in the biz, they call it "a diagnosis"
