20m first jabs done now !
Lowest numbers today since September.
down around a third, same as new cases.
Not such a dramatic drop in hospital numbers though still well down, great news overall.
Hitchens in danger of relegation from the shameless grifter top flight now. Stand strong Lozza!
Still high aren’t they
Mutations happen when the virus is mingling. That’s the only matter. It has to be one of the considerations. I don’t know if that’s a genuine worry or a theoretical one. I have to tell myself not to worry as I can’t do anything about itDoesn't matter though really does it? I suppose it wouldn't matter if cases fly up when schools go back as long as people aren't being hospitalised or dying. Big test for the vaccine from next week
Mutations happen when the virus is mingling. That’s the only matter. It has to be one of the considerations. I don’t know if that’s a genuine worry or a theoretical one. I have to tell myself not to worry as I can’t do anything about it
Its so hard to get reliable information even if you're using supposedly 'legit' news sources. Think some of the mainstream press have to take at look at some of their reporting and scaremongering during this crisis.Oh i agree the variants are a worry, but is it the massive problem the press seems to be making it?
That’s what I’d read tooIts so hard to get reliable information even if you're using supposedly 'legit' news sources. Think some of the mainstream press have to take at look at some of their reporting and scaremongering during this crisis.
When a 'variant of concern' is reported what does that actually mean. For example there's a huge difference between this is a new variant we need to research as part of a standard procedure but nothing to be unduly worried about and everyone should panic because there's a vaccine resistant and more infectious variant the has, at least, the same health impact.
When variants were first spoken about it was acknowledged there would be numerous variants but the general consensus seemed to be that they mutate to survive an in doing so become less effective. Now every variant is presented as a worse case scenario. Is that down to how its being reported or what is actually being backed up by research?
Its so hard to get reliable information even if you're using supposedly 'legit' news sources. Think some of the mainstream press have to take at look at some of their reporting and scaremongering during this crisis.
When a 'variant of concern' is reported what does that actually mean. For example there's a huge difference between this is a new variant we need to research as part of a standard procedure but nothing to be unduly worried about and everyone should panic because there's a vaccine resistant and more infectious variant the has, at least, the same health impact.
When variants were first spoken about it was acknowledged there would be numerous variants but the general consensus seemed to be that they mutate to survive an in doing so become less effective. Now every variant is presented as a worse case scenario. Is that down to how its being reported or what is actually being backed up by research?
Was reading an article that caught my attention, it was the dialy mail however it caught my attention in passing through social media as it talked about people coming forward and talking about family members dying and having their deaths put down as covid despite never having tested positive etc etc.
This is one of the things that's bothered me since the beginning tbh but it can never be changed or I highly doubt investigated properly either once we've moved on shall we say and the dust settles..
Its alway been clear to me that death figures are over inflated to a degree, to what degree we will probably never know but I feel for all the families out there who have this to deal with this.
The government have got so many things wrong during this pandemic, this is surely one of them
It’s nonsense. If anything we under counted to start with.
It’s a problem with cause of death basically. It’s not as cut and dried as people think “Oh he died of X”, a judgement has to be made about what pushed them over the edge from likely multiple things together.
So early on people were dying “from” things other than COVID who wouldn’t have died without COVID. Then they brought in the general rule about within 28 days of a positive test to have some more reliable data. But like all data choices that comes with caveats around capturing some people and missing others (those who never got tested or died after a long period of complications for example).
We know the deaths aren’t inflated generally by looking at excess deaths basically. There were something like 60/70k excess deaths last year and that’s with things like driving deaths virtually disappearing. And there’ll be more at the start of this year.
The Mail are just doing what the Mail do with every health issue and spouting uninformed nonsense to whip people into a panic. This was the paper that pushed the MMR nonsense and a million fake cancer causes/cures remember. Their audience eats this shit up.
Haven't read the article, but why is it worse for bereaved families if the cause of death is listed as COVID?
Yep the figures on excess deaths are key.Haven't read the article, but why is it worse for bereaved families if the cause of death is listed as COVID?
If your 99 year old mum dies and they put the cause of death as covid despite never testing positive... That's going be stressful for a family who want to know the truth.
I'd be bothered by it
Strange question tbh
If my mum dies, and I ask the doctor what happened and he tells me "She died of coronavirus", why wouldn't I believe them?
You'd believe them, if she had severe dementia and COPD , there were zero cases in her care home and she'd never tested positive?
I don't have a medical degree, so yes.
I dont really wish to argue, but how can you say somebody has died of covid if you've never tested positive for it and you have COPD... A chronic breathing problem, dementia and you're 99..
I would probably ask a doctor
Yea I'm not sure that a diagnosis can be made without tests though... A doctors educated guess isn't an answer
A doctors educated guess isn't an answer
I would think that a doctor treating a geriatric dementia patient in a care home would have done some tests. And I would think their diagnosis, whatever it was based on, would be more accurate than mine. But what do I know, that's just an educated guess.
But anyway, as you say, clearly you don't really wish to argue
But its a guess without tests... Isn't it? It's not 1750Also this is correct - in the biz, they call it "a diagnosis"
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