chiefdave
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Did they ever actually admit transmission in schools was a thing after months of denying it?
Did they ever actually admit transmission in schools was a thing after months of denying it?Johnson was telling us that schools are safe in January when everything was fucked but now when loads of people are vaccinated things seem to be more stringent.
Course not teachers fault isn’t itDid they ever actually admit transmission in schools was a thing after months of denying it?
Careful captain hindsightWe've ended up booking both kids in for pcr tests tomorrow. I had a couple of days booked off anyway but now my wife will be out of her school. Amazed a man of the calibre of Gavin Williamson has allowed things to descend into such a farce.
I know right.Careful captain hindsight
I know right.
Wtf is gavin?
Went on a stag do at the weekend and 2 of the group got notifications to self isolate.
Not quite sure how the rest of us haven't got the notification! Fingers crossed it stays that way.
It's pretty astonishing that someone can come in after over a year out the cabinet, with no involvement in the Covid response, go straight into the job as Health Secretary and make such claims on his first day in the job.
The issue is that a lot of people are not fully vaccinated or have even been offered one and the vaccination programme is running at a snail's pace now. There are still 24m adults yet to have a second dose, half of whom haven't had the first. That is a lot of susceptible people.It’s like Andrew Marr yesterday whining about the fact that he’d caught covid even though he’d been double-jabbed &,as the doctor he was interviewing rightly said,that‘s fine…he didn’t die,he didn’t get admitted to hospital - so what if people get it? It proves the vaccines work & we do have to start living with it now for gods sake
At last
Covid: School isolation rules could end in autumn
Parents' frustration is mounting over the disruption to children's education and their own working lives.www.bbc.co.uk
Still need to know various things we don't know yet - what happens when vaccines weaken for example, what happens if other variants come along...But why do they need to do daily tests? By the time September/October rolls around we should have everyone who wants it double-jabbed. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure it’s nice to have the data but you don’t do tests to see if you have flu, for example. As many of you will be aware, I’m on the more cautious side of things but by that time we really do have to live with it and that’s that (assuming no adverse info/data in the meantime).
Kids aren't vaccinated though so you won't get that sort of data from them surely?Still need to know various things we don't know yet - what happens when vaccines weaken for example, what happens if other variants come along...
And before I get jumped on by the usuals, that can actually be a positive thing, if the data shows vaccines hold up well over a reasonable period of time, and that variants don't break it. Spread of the virus will also show whenever it's been suppressed to a point where vaccine top-ups aren't necessary, too.
But why do they need to do daily tests? By the time September/October rolls around we should have everyone who wants it double-jabbed. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure it’s nice to have the data but you don’t do tests to see if you have flu, for example. As many of you will be aware, I’m on the more cautious side of things but by that time we really do have to live with it and that’s that (assuming no adverse info/data in the meantime).
You will, because it'll show prevalence in the community Vs serious illness.Kids aren't vaccinated though so you won't get that sort of data from them surely?
You will, because it'll show prevalence in the community Vs serious illness.
The issue is as much transmission as anything else. If there ends up little to transmit...
But why do they need to do daily tests? By the time September/October rolls around we should have everyone who wants it double-jabbed. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure it’s nice to have the data but you don’t do tests to see if you have flu, for example. As many of you will be aware, I’m on the more cautious side of things but by that time we really do have to live with it and that’s that (assuming no adverse info/data in the meantime).
Still need to know various things we don't know yet - what happens when vaccines weaken for example, what happens if other variants come along...
And before I get jumped on by the usuals, that can actually be a positive thing, if the data shows vaccines hold up well over a reasonable period of time, and that variants don't break it. Spread of the virus will also show whenever it's been suppressed to a point where vaccine top-ups aren't necessary, too.
Last summer the government was suggesting that moving forward we could be doing similar tests for flu and those that are sick would be encouraged to stay at home. They spoke about learning lessons from covid and applying it elsewhere. A change from the culture of it being seen as a good thing if you struggle into work sick.Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure it’s nice to have the data but you don’t do tests to see if you have flu, for example.
The good news is that has already been considered and there are 'no questions asked' vaccination clinics for the likes of the homeless and others who may not have documentation.a mate mentioned something the other day that I’d not even considered, what about all the unregistered/undocumented people,
The good news is that has already been considered and there are 'no questions asked' vaccination clinics for the likes of the homeless and others who may not have documentation.
Suspect the problem is going to be getting the message across and will need the assistance of people in those communities. May also be a fear that the promise of 'no questions asked' may not be kept.
Pharmacists launch service to vaccinate homeless people and undocumented migrants against COVID-19 - The Pharmaceutical Journal (pharmaceutical-journal.com)
Still need to know various things we don't know yet - what happens when vaccines weaken for example, what happens if other variants come along...
And before I get jumped on by the usuals, that can actually be a positive thing, if the data shows vaccines hold up well over a reasonable period of time, and that variants don't break it. Spread of the virus will also show whenever it's been suppressed to a point where vaccine top-ups aren't necessary, too.
Find it a bit strange that in some countries that experienced bad SARS outbreaks they took the lessons and made minor adjustments to their daily lives to try and prevent similar happening again. We seem to be determined to take no lessons from this in the rush to get back to 'normal'.
My counter argument there is where do you draw the line? Do we have kids taking tests every day until the next full outbreak just so we know when the vaccine starts to weaken?
I know I’m talking extremities here, and I suppose given the ability of the virus to be asymptomatic maybe it is a requirement, but I feel like it’s a bit of a peculiar request. Once a week maybe, but every day?
Fully with you here, I really do think lessons should be learned and I don’t think going exactly back to pre-Covid is sensible. We need to think about what adjustments should be made to ensure we’re a more resilient society in the future, though.
Last summer the government was suggesting that moving forward we could be doing similar tests for flu and those that are sick would be encouraged to stay at home. They spoke about learning lessons from covid and applying it elsewhere. A change from the culture of it being seen as a good thing if you struggle into work sick.
I don’t disagree we need to start doing more but the mixed messaging with this is not good. Just open up or not
Do they ever learn?
Wouldn't hold your breath. That's been mentioned many times in relation to taking time off for quarantine and nothing has been done.They are going to need to change the laws on sick pay then.
You know it’s not all or nothing don’t you? We could keep masks and reduce transmission of certain viruses and still open everything else. I think once you feel there is an ulterior motive for the restrictions then it’s so hard to stay on boardWhen it is September / October if they still hammer the tests it's a perfect reason for another lockdown.
If we got tested for a cold / flu then the world would end because of nobody ever leaving the house.
Wouldn't hold your breath. That's been mentioned many times in relation to taking time off for quarantine and nothing has been done.
And then of course you have to asses how many people would take the piss and constantly be saying they were infectious to get a few days off.
It is annoying when people come into the office and happily tell everyone how bad they feel and spread it around. Needs a culture change so that is seen as a bad thing rather than a positive.
Yeah...Yeah, still so much to learn. Unfortunately I can’t see herd immunity (total suppression) happening as quickly as I originally thought. Kids not vaccinated (and not sure if young uns should be) and also a mate mentioned something the other day that I’d not even considered, what about all the unregistered/undocumented people, let alone future tourists/work travellers, anti vax etc ?!
That’s also why however much Australia and NZ have been lauded for their approach (justifiably if it all works out as planned), I can’t see them reopening for a while yet*
*an even more transmissible/deadlier strain taking hold over there doesn’t bear thinking about
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