Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (8 Viewers)

CCFCSteve · Jul 25, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
Possibly no. Made the point previously that it’s going to require pretty much 100% take up in adults in the U.K. to hit the 70-76% required percentage of the population to reach heard immunity as 21% of the U.K. population is under 18. Everyone knows not just one person but people who won’t get it. You mention in a previous post that you see it in under 30’s amongst your Facebook group of friends, I suspect that’s similar to your own age group, I’m nearly 50 so my group of friends are a different generation and I see it in them too. Possibly for different reasons to your friend group too. I get the impression that the main reason younger people don’t get the vaccine is because they think they’re invincible, I certainly did when I was younger. Whereas in the older age groups vaccine hesitancy seems to be based around Right Said Fred knowing more than scientists.

Agreed. It currently feels like some under 30s dont think Covid is a big enough risk to them to have the vaccine. Although it doesn’t look like we’ll reach herd immunity levels with the vaccine, I’m hopeful that a combination of natural immunity/antibodies, plus the vaccines might get us up to the required level. You’d imagine the recent transmission amongst the kids/teenagers would help with this

Either way, even if we reach herd immunity levels, with international travel and large proportions of the world being unvaccinated, I think the virus will unfortunately be with us for a good while yet

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 25, 2021

Grendel said:
It is but 30% of the lower age group have not had it and you can see from the anti vaccine protests in London how things can escalate

There’s even some reports of proof for entry to large events such as football matches

You have focused on 30% who haven’t had it and not the 70% who have, which is pretty strong considering this group has been told certain vaccines are a bigger risk to them than the virus.

Sick Boy · Jul 25, 2021

Grendel said:
The governments suggestion of vaccine passports is likely to get huge protests now looking at the protests across France and Italy as well as other countries suggesting it

Most people here are supportive of them.

Sick Boy · Jul 25, 2021

Skybluefaz said:
This planet headed thundercunt has some front on him.

The guys an utter prick.

Grendel · Jul 25, 2021

Sick Boy said:
Most people here are supportive of them.

Reteurs claim tens of thousands hit the streets in a co-ordinated protest across the whole country?

Tear gas and riots in France?

Sick Boy · Jul 25, 2021

Grendel said:
Reteurs claim tens of thousands hit the streets in a co-ordinated protest across the whole country?

Tear gas and riots in France?

It’s a country of over 60 million people.

skybluetony176 · Jul 25, 2021

CCFCSteve said:
Agreed. It currently feels like some under 30s dont think Covid is a big enough risk to them to have the vaccine. Although it doesn’t look like we’ll reach herd immunity levels with the vaccine, I’m hopeful that a combination of natural immunity/antibodies, plus the vaccines might get us up to the required level. You’d imagine the recent transmission amongst the kids/teenagers would help with this

Either way, even if we reach herd immunity levels, with international travel and large proportions of the world being unvaccinated, I think the virus will unfortunately be with us for a good while yet

I think we’ll end up fully opening the vaccine to younger age groups soon. We’ll have to too achieve presumed heard immunity.

Grendel · Jul 25, 2021

Sick Boy said:
It’s a country of over 60 million people.

But many will qualify for the pass or are under 18?

If you base protests by that measure no majority supported any protest in the history of time.

Sick Boy · Jul 25, 2021

Grendel said:
But many will qualify for the pass or are under 18?

If you base protests by that measure no majority supported any protest in the history of time.

The pass is given to those vaccinated 15 days after the first dose, those who have had covid with 6 months or who have a negative test within 48 hours can also get it.
Those who won’t qualify are those who won’t have it. I THINK under 12s don’t need it.
Personally, I think it’s to push those who are hesitant to get vaccinated, there’s been a big upsurge amongst those who haven’t had a first dose since it was announced.

CCFCSteve · Jul 25, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
You have focused on 30% who haven’t had it and not the 70% who have, which is pretty strong considering this group has been told certain vaccines are a bigger risk to them than the virus.

I agree, I think 70% take up is very good for under 30s. I don’t think anyone is questioning that. The fact remains there’s still 30% in the younger age groups that remain unvaccinated. That’s their choice but I hope that maybe as much through anecdotal evidence (friends getting covid etc) as from scientific evidence, more younger adults will continue to get jabbed and those numbers improve

skybluetony176 · Jul 25, 2021

There’s also the small issue of global vaccination. As it stands less than a third of the world population has received one dose. We aren’t safe until everyone is safe, not just in this country but every country. We’ve already witnessed how a variant the other side of the world quickly changes the situation globally. There’s a long way to go yet.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 25, 2021

CCFCSteve said:
I agree, I think 70% take up is very good for under 30s. I don’t think anyone is questioning that. The fact remains there’s still 30% in the younger age groups that remain unvaccinated. That’s their choice but I hope that maybe as much through anecdotal evidence (friends getting covid etc) as from scientific evidence, more younger adults will continue to get jabbed and those numbers improve

The blame lies less with them and more the terrible messaging in my view

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 25, 2021

clint van damme said:
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No shit Sherlock story

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jul 25, 2021

clint van damme said:
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Yet I'm not even slightly surprised.

Ian1779 · Jul 25, 2021

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Yet I'm not even slightly surprised.

ThEy DiD tHeIr BeSt ThOuGh….

COV · Jul 25, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
As an aside, I'd genuinely like to know what changed her. I'm guessing the beliefs she now holds don't make you disposed to take up nursing and pass an exam!

She’s got huge issues with a vaccine but seems to have no problem pumping botox into her body

COV · Jul 25, 2021

Sick Boy said:
It’s a country of over 60 million people.

And we’ve just been shown footage of thousands on the streets in London campaigning against it- would have thought the ratio of normal : nutcase is fairly consistent across most countries? USA probably an exception

COV · Jul 25, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
There’s also the small issue of global vaccination. As it stands less than a third of the world population has received one dose. We aren’t safe until everyone is safe, not just in this country but every country. We’ve already witnessed how a variant the other side of the world quickly changes the situation globally. There’s a long way to go yet.

This is true- herd immunity means across the whole population who can contract it, not just a few countries

Grendel · Jul 25, 2021

COV said:
And we’ve just been shown footage of thousands on the streets in London campaigning against it- would have thought the ratio of normal : nutcase is fairly consistent across most countries? USA probably an exception

The U.K. campaign isn’t actually against that but anti anti vaccine type of rally and also I don’t think 160,000 were there

COV · Jul 25, 2021

Grendel said:
The U.K. campaign isn’t actually against that but anti anti vaccine type of rally and also I don’t think 160,000 were there

There were big protests last week as well though?

Wouldn’t have thought that we’re too much different to most other countries in terms of idiots per 1,000

Sick Boy · Jul 25, 2021

Grendel said:
The U.K. campaign isn’t actually against that but anti anti vaccine type of rally and also I don’t think 160,000 were there

The Italian one is too, essentially.

Sick Boy · Jul 25, 2021

COV · Jul 25, 2021

Sick Boy said:
The Italian one is too, essentially.

Is Italy getting the nonsense with people waving Trump flags around too?

stupot07 · Jul 25, 2021

Literally what the fuck...

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jul 25, 2021

Grendel said:
The U.K. campaign isn’t actually against that but anti anti vaccine type of rally and also I don’t think 160,000 were there

It's the misconception that many against vaccine passports are simply 'anti-vaxx'. It isn't true. Also, I would say a large amount of people with scepticism about this vaccine aren't your usual type screaming about autism from MMR etc.

We don't protest like the French do for example, but look at the numbers of people deleting the app. That's the kind of action the public will take. The proposed vaccine passport is making waves, but as a nation we aren't really a proactive one when it comes to dissent.

COV · Jul 25, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It's the misconception that many against vaccine passports are simply 'anti-vaxx'. It isn't true. Also, I would say a large amount of people with scepticism about this vaccine aren't your usual type screaming about autism from MMR etc.

We don't protest like the French do for example, but look at the numbers of people deleting the app. That's the kind of action the public will take. The proposed vaccine passport is making waves, but as a nation we aren't really a proactive one when it comes to dissent.

I sometimes wonder if these people can actually make their mind up what they’re complaining about specifically, or they’re just generally pissed off and whatever anyone does with regard to covid they protest about it

Sick Boy · Jul 25, 2021

COV said:
Is Italy getting the nonsense with people waving Trump flags around too?

Not seen any but the moronic Salvini wore a Trump hat during the presidency race during interviews, even he ended up being vaccinated over the last couple of days.

COV · Jul 25, 2021

stupot07 said:
Literally what the fuck...

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Also- and it’s not a huge number, but still- in the clinical trials they counted everyone who had the placebo and not the actual vaccine as being genuinely fully vaccinated.

Grendel · Jul 25, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It's the misconception that many against vaccine passports are simply 'anti-vaxx'. It isn't true. Also, I would say a large amount of people with scepticism about this vaccine aren't your usual type screaming about autism from MMR etc.

We don't protest like the French do for example, but look at the numbers of people deleting the app. That's the kind of action the public will take. The proposed vaccine passport is making waves, but as a nation we aren't really a proactive one when it comes to dissent.

I’m only quoting this and looking at these images

Protests across Italy against Covid-19 vaccine certificates

The Green Pass will be required from Aug 6 to enter cinemas, museums and restaurants, among other places. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

Grendel · Jul 25, 2021

Then of course there’s this

French protesters against Covid-19 health restrictions clash with police in Paris

French anti-riot police fired teargas on Saturday as clashes erupted during protests in central Paris against COVID-19 restrictions and a vaccination campaign, television reported.

www.google.co.uk

Sick Boy · Jul 25, 2021

Grendel said:
I’m only quoting this and looking at these images

Protests across Italy against Covid-19 vaccine certificates

The Green Pass will be required from Aug 6 to enter cinemas, museums and restaurants, among other places. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

Conveniently ignored the above posted opinion polls then.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 25, 2021

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It's the misconception that many against vaccine passports are simply 'anti-vaxx'. It isn't true. Also, I would say a large amount of people with scepticism about this vaccine aren't your usual type screaming about autism from MMR etc.

We don't protest like the French do for example, but look at the numbers of people deleting the app. That's the kind of action the public will take. The proposed vaccine passport is making waves, but as a nation we aren't really a proactive one when it comes to dissent.

When we don’t like a restaurant we don’t complain to the manager, we just don’t go back

Grendel · Jul 25, 2021

The much heralded Australia looks like it’s zero Covid policy was not a smart move

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Grendel · Jul 25, 2021

Sick Boy said:
Conveniently ignored the above posted opinion polls then.

I don’t know why you get sensitive - I’m pointing out acts of this diet can’t be ignored. If 80 cities in the U.K. say had thousands protesting against the Johnson government and its handling of the pandemic you would just dismiss them as cranks?

COV · Jul 25, 2021

Grendel said:
Then of course there’s this

French protesters against Covid-19 health restrictions clash with police in Paris

French anti-riot police fired teargas on Saturday as clashes erupted during protests in central Paris against COVID-19 restrictions and a vaccination campaign, television reported.

www.google.co.uk

Not sure I see too much difference aside from the cultural ones which were mentioned above.

We had a woman asking for the names and personal details of healthcare staff be handed in so that they can go on trial and be executed. In London, in front of thousands.

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