Could also be that younger people don’t like the government or politicians in general, can only speak for me but when I was younger I would have had zero interest whatsoever an anything a politician said.
I’m hardly prickly - Hungary used the Sputnik vaccine as the EU procurement policy was so negligent they had no supply - they broke ranks and used an inferior vaccine
I’m sure as Ring of Steel you were very scathing we didn’t go the Eu procurement route didn’t you? I’ll try and find it
I think selfish is unfair. But more importantly you reduce the trust in the vaccine by coercing and manipulating people to take it that’s my pointI have the right to be protected against people who are willing to put me at risk as much as people have the choice to be vaccinated. If I go to the cinema I want people in there with me to have done as much to protect me as I have to protect them.
The people who are refusing the vaccine are selfish, is it unfair on them to exclude them or unfair on everyone else to be put at what is at the end of the day avoidable risk?
There isn’t one. We have never forced MMR we have never forced flu vaccines. You encourage take up not force. Democratic societies don’t force or then victimise those concerned about it
The choice is to take the vaccine or not. The argument needs to be won on the grounds of being right not manipulation and coercion. I’ve changed my mind now having seen the vitriol. Science and evidence wins not threats. It’s not about slippery slope it’s just wrong to coerce people to take vaccines. I may change my mind again if someone can show me facts about the issues the minority are causing
This happened today also.
MoronsAnti-vax protesters try to storm Covid test centre as thousands join demos
ANTI-vaccine protesters have tried to storm a Covid test centre in Manchester today. Police were forced to guard the centre as banner-waving activists gathered outside. Thousands also descended on …www.google.co.uk
They’re also making doctors and nurses who refuse vaccination to take unpaid leave here.
The opposite of that is you reduce the trust in the vaccine when we can’t reach a point of heard immunity because selfish adults are refusing it. They’re the ones holding us all to ransom. Like I said, I want to go to a cinema safe in the knowledge that everyone in there has done everything that they can to protect me as I have to protect them. It’s up to them. I shouldn’t be put of from going anywhere because heard immunity hasn’t been achieved thanks to a minority. Selfish is absolutely the right word if you ask me.I think selfish is unfair. But more importantly you reduce the trust in the vaccine by coercing and manipulating people to take it that’s my point
For the rest of the year, so far.For how long?
They’re also making doctors and nurses who refuse vaccination to take unpaid leave here.
Anecdotally these are those who don’t believe the virus is real and the vaccine is related to a global conspiracy to control people.
Passport and legally limiting freedoms needs a high bar. I do understand that argument just don’t agree with itThere is the argument that the people who are refusing the vaccine are driving the need and therefore the decision to have a vaccine passport in the first place.
The culture around domestic care is quite different and most live with families or the individual permanently and the contract is managed by the family.That’s different. Doctors and nurses have had to take vaccines as a condition for their job - does it apply to the biggest spreader of interest though - the domestic carer?
The culture around domestic care is quite different and most live with families or the individual permanently and the contract is managed by the family.
I’m there are but the majority won’t be.I’m sure there are plenty of domestic caters in Italy employed by private contractors.
I’m there are but the majority won’t be.
What a bizarre post.Which is the same as every country but again isn’t the point - your Sterling nationalism for your adopted homeland though is charming
Shame you didn’t some here from Italy - you’d be spreading your legs for Boris every 5 minutes on here
The much heralded Australia looks like it’s zero Covid policy was not a smart move
Australia Covid: Arrests at anti-lockdown protests - BBC News
Thousands take to the streets in Sydney, with further protests in Melbourne and Brisbane.www.google.co.uk
Which is the same as every country but again isn’t the point - your Sterling nationalism for your adopted homeland though is charming
Shame you didn’t some here from Italy - you’d be spreading your legs for Boris every 5 minutes on here
He's the most nationalist Johnson sycophant on the whole forum.err.. have you checked your avatar?
It represents about 1% of the total, it's a non story and Peston is an idiot
Going forward, you'd assume it will increase as a %age however.
And FWIW, surely it's in government's interests to include it, as what it then does is make %age of infected people suffering seriously from Covid... lower? Going forward, if people get reinfected but do relatively OK, that's surely a very valuable thing to know, and also to see playing out?
That was kind of my point, that you want to telegraph that, rather than not report it... especially if you want full confidence to return.The likelihood is though that a reinfection will be milder due to vaccine and / or prior infection.
I know but on the other hand reporting it just produces a headlineThat was kind of my point, that you want to telegraph that, rather than not report it... especially if you want full confidence to return.
The choice is to take the vaccine or not. The argument needs to be won on the grounds of being right not manipulation and coercion. I’ve changed my mind now having seen the vitriol. Science and evidence wins not threats. It’s not about slippery slope it’s just wrong to coerce people to take vaccines. I may change my mind again if someone can show me facts about the issues the minority are causing
Why? Because there's been protests? Like there have been here, despite the fact we were never under anywhere near as heavy restrictions as they have been. Only they haven't suffered from Covid anywhere near as badly as we have.
You have this obsession with populism. Just because people believe or want something doesn't make it right. For centuries popular belief fought heliocentricty and people were killed for it. They were wrong and it put the progression of knowledge back centuries. We had a popular belief that witches were the cause of disease etc and popular opinion wanted them discovered and killed. It was complete bollocks.
The government has a duty of care to people and is well within it's rights to say "Feel free to not have a vaccine but there will be things you will need to be vaccinated for".
Yep they got a head start, and are in danger of squandering it.I'd say that the zero covid policy attached to a frankly awful vaccine program has meant that the have a scarily low amout of immunity at the moment so outbreaks will spread like wildfire
No. Better to have 130,000 dead than a few protests.The much heralded Australia looks like it’s zero Covid policy was not a smart move
Australia Covid: Arrests at anti-lockdown protests - BBC News
Thousands take to the streets in Sydney, with further protests in Melbourne and Brisbane.www.google.co.uk
No. Better to have 130,000 dead than a few protests.
So why didn't we listened to the substantial greater numbers who protested against Brexit?I don’t know why you get sensitive - I’m pointing out acts of this diet can’t be ignored. If 80 cities in the U.K. say had thousands protesting against the Johnson government and its handling of the pandemic you would just dismiss them as cranks?
So why didn't we listened to the substantial greater numbers who protested against Brexit?
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