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How many times do we have to say Covid is not flu for people to get it?
How many times do we have to say Covid is not flu for people to get it?would you introduce a flu vaccine passport in tbe winter for over 60’s?
It’s the very definition of false equivalence. It’s like comparing a paper cut to limb amputation.How many times do we have to say Covid is not flu for people to get it?
How many times do we have to say Covid is not flu for people to get it?
It’s the very definition of false equivalence. It’s like comparing a paper cut to limb amputation.
True but it can still kill tens of thousands a year and is transmissible.
How often does the flu bring the NHS to its knees?
Genuinely can’t believe people are still talking about the fucking flu 18 months into this
That’s just a measure of the government’s failure. If you want to compare one death rate to another you can only compare them in the same country. It’s irrelevant to compare flu deaths in the UK to Covid deaths in New Zealand. When you’re talking about influenza deaths worldwide you’re also talking about all current worldwide influenza strains not just seasonal flu that traditional is the biggest issue in the UK. It’s false equivalence again.Flu in the UK kills more a year than covid has in many countries .. the reason our covid deaths are so ridiculously high is mostly to do with government mismanagement of the whole pandemic
What I'm getting at its not really a papercut in most countries .
Germany for example can see upto 30,000 deaths a year with flu and that's with years of vaccines .
Covid has killed 95 ,000 or so in 18 months and over half that time no vaccine .
Yes covid is worse , but let's not try and make flu out to be nothing
Flu can kill upto 500,000 a year worldwide (with vaccines ) and make 3-5 million severely ill
That’s just a measure of the government’s failure. If you want to compare one death rate to another you can only compare them in the same country. It’s irrelevant to compare flu deaths in the UK to Covid deaths in New Zealand. When you’re talking about influenza deaths worldwide you’re also talking about all current worldwide influenza strains not just seasonal flu that traditional is the biggest issue in the UK. It’s false equivalence again.
Covid has killed 134,000 in the UK in 18 months.Flu in the UK kills more a year than covid has in many countries .. the reason our covid deaths are so ridiculously high is mostly to do with government mismanagement of the whole pandemic
What I'm getting at its not really a papercut in most countries .
Germany for example can see upto 30,000 deaths a year with flu and that's with years of vaccines .
Covid has killed 95 ,000 or so in 18 months and over half that time no vaccine .
Yes covid is worse , but let's not try and make flu out to be nothing
Flu can kill upto 500,000 a year worldwide (with vaccines ) and make 3-5 million severely ill
Covid has killed 134,000 in the UK in 18 months.
Yes flu can be fatal but the transmission rate and death rate is substantial lower than covid.
Of course flu kills more people here than Covid in some countries, but that proves nothing. Countries have different populations.
Trump started this nonsense, but covid is not flu.
Tbf the NHS is in crisis for a quarter of the year. No just flu but all seasonal respiratory illness and other illness and injury associated with the cold weather.How often does the flu bring the NHS to its knees?
How many times do we have to say Covid is not flu for people to get it?
I wasn't arguing that covid was flu though
Covid has killed 134,000 in the UK in 18 months.
Yes flu can be fatal but the transmission rate and death rate is substantial lower than covid.
Of course flu kills more people here than Covid in some countries, but that proves nothing. Countries have different populations.
Trump started this nonsense, but covid is not flu.
Isn’t the flu loads of different viruses under one umbrella name where as Covid is Covid. Albeit we are obviously seeing variants.
True....but being a pedant, we are also exposed to & live with several other coronaviruses......we've just got a particularlly nasty one circulating at present...its only killing so many as its novel......
That was my point really. To compare deaths from the flu with Covid doesn’t really work. As Covid is one terrible thing.
I understand that’s not what everyone was doing. Just sick of hearing about the flu. It’s similar but almost irrelevant.
Its not as the argument to vaccinate people is to stop health service being overwhelmed - but they often have been. Flu vaccines vary with effectiveness but having it will give less chance of occupation of a hospital bed
When flu numbers shot up one year due to H1N1 (2009?) didn't we do exactly that? Not the same as lockdown now as it wasn't the same number of people but I remember getting something (certain it wasn't flu) around that time and you weren't even allowed to go to the doctors, they literally delivered medication and left it outside your door with instructions to stay inside for 2 weeks.When was the last time we had to lock everyone in their homes because of flu?
When was the last time we had to lock everyone in their homes because of flu?
1919-ish?When was the last time we had to lock everyone in their homes because of flu?
No. We've never had a similar response as a wider public.When flu numbers shot up one year due to H1N1 (2009?) didn't we do exactly that? Not the same as lockdown now as it wasn't the same number of people but I remember getting something (certain it wasn't flu) around that time and you weren't even allowed to go to the doctors, they literally delivered medication and left it outside your door with instructions to stay inside for 2 weeks.
The covid plan was adapted from the government's flu pandemic plan. It could happen.When was the last time we had to lock everyone in their homes because of flu?
Interesting thread on vaccine waning
Had a visit to the hospital yesterday to see a senior respiratory consultant after over 2 years of waiting. Asked about covid and if particular if I was wrong to be feeling anixious when everyone else seems to be acting like nothing ever happened. To be honest I was hoping for a 'if you're double jabbed there's little to worry about' type answer for re-assurance but I got nothing like that. Wasn't sure if I should post what she said but figured I might as well in case anyone is interested in an experts opinion.
Basically she said this is a long way from being over and people are too comfortable & complacent. Said it was best to look at hospitalisations & deaths rather than cases and both those figures are significantly higher than they were heading into last winter and rising.
Said the 'in the wild' data indicates that vaccination does lower the chance of getting covid and the risk of passing it on if you do have it but people have focused on a single study which shows that in lab conditions, where nose swabs were taken, there could be the same viral load in the vaccinated and unvaccinated but even that showed that in the vaccinated the viral load dropped far quicker than in the unvaccinated.
Also said she hoped that vaccine passports and masks would be introduced, this was before the government announced the winter plan, to minimise hospitalisations without the need for another lockdown.
Finally said people are using terms like 'overwhelm the NHS' without understanding what they are talking about as they say levels aren't as high as last year and therefore the NHS can cope but that required shutting down everything that wasn't critical care to concentrate on covid. The levels of covid hospitalisations the NHS can cope with before other services are impacted is far lower and they're already, at least locally, very close to that level.
As I was leaving I asked specifically about attending matches. She said personally she wouldn't even consider going to an event with a large crowd of unmasked, and potentially unvaccinated, people.
Not exactly the reassurance I was looking for. On the bright side no cancer, no additional respiratory issues on top of what I already knew about, no issues with immune system, so onto another waiting list (12 months or longer thanks to the backlog) for another department and more tests.
Really encouraging figures for those who are at least 3 weeks post 2nd jab. Out of 51,281 covid deaths this year, up to July 2, only 458 were people who had received 2 doses at least 21 days previously. And of them only 59 were not in the CEV category, that's just 0.1% of deaths.Interesting thread on vaccine waning
Had a visit to the hospital yesterday to see a senior respiratory consultant after over 2 years of waiting. Asked about covid and if particular if I was wrong to be feeling anixious when everyone else seems to be acting like nothing ever happened. To be honest I was hoping for a 'if you're double jabbed there's little to worry about' type answer for re-assurance but I got nothing like that. Wasn't sure if I should post what she said but figured I might as well in case anyone is interested in an experts opinion.
Basically she said this is a long way from being over and people are too comfortable & complacent. Said it was best to look at hospitalisations & deaths rather than cases and both those figures are significantly higher than they were heading into last winter and rising.
Said the 'in the wild' data indicates that vaccination does lower the chance of getting covid and the risk of passing it on if you do have it but people have focused on a single study which shows that in lab conditions, where nose swabs were taken, there could be the same viral load in the vaccinated and unvaccinated but even that showed that in the vaccinated the viral load dropped far quicker than in the unvaccinated.
Also said she hoped that vaccine passports and masks would be introduced, this was before the government announced the winter plan, to minimise hospitalisations without the need for another lockdown.
Finally said people are using terms like 'overwhelm the NHS' without understanding what they are talking about as they say levels aren't as high as last year and therefore the NHS can cope but that required shutting down everything that wasn't critical care to concentrate on covid. The levels of covid hospitalisations the NHS can cope with before other services are impacted is far lower and they're already, at least locally, very close to that level.
As I was leaving I asked specifically about attending matches. She said personally she wouldn't even consider going to an event with a large crowd of unmasked, and potentially unvaccinated, people.
Not exactly the reassurance I was looking for. On the bright side no cancer, no additional respiratory issues on top of what I already knew about, no issues with immune system, so onto another waiting list (12 months or longer thanks to the backlog) for another department and more tests.
It’s the very definition of false equivalence. It’s like comparing a paper cut to limb amputation.
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