Evo1883
Well-Known Member
I think it's appalling , that's what I think
That's not my argument. Persuading people to get jabbed isn't the NHS' responsibility, implementing the rollout is and they've done that part brilliantly.
This was never about 'it's fine they weren't vaxxed before', the hope I assume was always to persuade the remaining staff of the importance and safety of the jab compared to spreading Covid around a hospital. You work in that sector you've got a duty of care to your patients which with a new and even more infectious variant around is violated if you still don't want to accept increased immunity against it.
Call me a bad person if you want for thinking that
Is she taking care of dying patients in ICU atm?
I think it's appalling , that's what I think
Which is fine, but accept that on the other side of this is a lot more than just wanting people fired. If you were in hospital with this variant around would you rather be treated by vaccinated or unvaccinated staff? Honestly?
And besides yourself, nobody has cared for a year .. these people have helped save thousands of lives already .. terrible decision , thankless job
Just avoiding the question which is at the heart of the issue. Got several friends who are doctors and who have no issue with this mandate
Lots of people have caught covid from having treatment in hospital for other conditionsI would imagine the steps which have been sufficient from then to now would still be good enough for me to be treated by staff without even having to care what their vaccination status is ...
That's the truth ... this the honest answer , it's been good enough to now .. nothing has changed
Lots of people have caught covid from having treatment in hospital for other conditions
I would imagine the steps which have been sufficient from then to now would still be good enough for me to be treated by staff without even having to care what their vaccination status is ...
That's the truth ... this the honest answer , it's been good enough to now .. nothing has changed
What is in place now that prevents people being infected by unvaccinated staff ? That's the actual point
Well they haven't been robust enough up to this point if we're being honest.
I would imagine the steps which have been sufficient from then to now would still be good enough for me to be treated by staff without even having to care what their vaccination status is ...
That's the truth ... this the honest answer , it's been good enough to now .. nothing has changed
What is in place now that prevents people being infected by unvaccinated staff ? That's the actual point
OkFrom staff ? Il hold you to this point and we can discuss this when it still happens after March
To be fair, they can still get it.Wow!
Would you be content for a surgeon with a seriously infectious disease to operate on you or your family? This would be chaos and deadly.
To be fair, they can still get it.
Although I'm pretty sure they will be tested a lot more regularly than Joe public anyway.
The vaccine has been available for a year nearly .. why wait until March 2022 ? Are patients immune between now and then
Because you need to give people a chance to get vaccinated.
Frankly if you’re going to choose Facebook memes over your actual job I don’t have much sympathy. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Unless it's a PCR , it's all pointless though as we know already lateral flows are shite , from experience several times over , lateral flows are shite.. that's a different argument tbh .. it's their only option to work day to day I suppose
A whole year ? OK then.
Don't agree with you either , but there we are.
...except I genuinely didn't. Unvaccinated the risk of bringing in a highly infectious and to vulnerable people deadly virus when there's been a jab available for a year is too high.
I don't want people to lose their livelihoods but I also don't want people losing their lives full stop. You tell me which is more important
Health workers have always been required to vaccinate against illnesses that can harm their patients. Where were you before arguing against that? What’s so special about the Covid vaccine?
They’ve had a year to get a jab, numbers aren’t high enough so now a hard deadline is in with time to get fully vaxxed. Would you rather they just sacked people on the spot?
You’re making out like the gestapo are out holding down people while crazed Dr Mengele jabs experimental drugs in them. All that’s happening is a condition of employment is being brought in with a decent grace period to comply or find a new career.
Like I said , there's many on here , comfy working from home .. who profess to be the good guys ..
And they simply aren't
I haven’t worked from home since schools reopened chief.
But it doesn't. Even when vaccinated, it is still possible to spread the virus so it is just a bizarre point of view. The evidence that they don't or that it is lower is wishy washy and conflicting at best.
The argument against unvaccinated has now become almost exclusively 'they can be a strain on the NHS'. That's fucking ironic considering as the people we are talking about here are working in the NHS and making a positive contribution to it.
Arguments like this are another reason why skepticism towards the policies that are being implemented are growing.
There are many though, like is said
Chief
I dont agree with you , bask in it , it happens alot
The point keeps being made to you that this isn’t a new idea and was around before Covid. Why keep avoiding that?
Like I said , there's many on here , comfy working from home .. who profess to be the good guys ..
And they simply aren't
The probability of infecting others is significantly and provably lower if you’re fully vaxxed. This isn’t really up for debate.
No one’s asking you to, just to justify your position. Who knows, you might convince me. I just genuinely don’t understand this, or the “three jabs is taking the piss” people.
This pandemic has made it easy for some people to feel like hero's, when in reality those same people preaching from their soap boxes would be the first to go in a really dire international situation such as war or ebola outbreak.
It really is up for debate. For every article you post saying it lowers transmission 'significantly' there is one which points out the limitations of it.
We are the most vaxxed we have ever been and even before this variant it is spreading like wildfire. That isn't just due to the non-vaxxed.
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