Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (4 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

You clearly know fuck all about teaching Maths.

Even when my kids was at primary I was amazed at how many methods they were taught to come to the same answer. I was at primary late 70’s early 80’s and maths had moved on so much by the time I had kids in primary I was unable to help them with their homework.

 

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[wingy]

The best bit of this is that Sturgeon and Drakeford are going to look complete melons with the over the top restrictions they've whacked out

Why is It?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Yeah in the vulnerable and the older folk.

Otherwise healthy young adults, could have sent their booster off to vulnerable and older folk elsewhere who needed it more.

What I meant is that, as well as being higher risk, the older age groups vaccination immunity was waning first so they needed the booster which might be reflected in lower hospitalisations currently. The younger age groups (maybe not as young as under 18s) will still need a booster for when their immunity wanes, whether that’s now or early next year.

I’ll rephrase what I said earlier, I think the recentish double jabbed ie under six months and boosters are maybe helping present Omicron as a milder variant

 

[Saddlebrains]

Why is It?

Both Parsnips

 

[wingy]

What I meant is that, as well as being higher risk, the older age groups vaccination immunity was waning first so they needed the booster which might be reflected in lower hospitalisations currently. The younger age groups (maybe not as young as under 18s) will still need a booster for when their immunity wanes, whether that’s now or early next year.

I’ll rephrase what I said earlier, I think the recentish double jabbed ie under six months and boosters are maybe helping present Omicron as a milder variant

While fading antibodies are often mentioned what of t-cells?
Never really thought about these days but permenant as far as I know?

 

[Skybluefaz]

He added that its the fat bottomed girls that needed to be worried about omicron.

 

[Marty]

You clearly know fuck all about teaching Maths.

Wow, that really showed me! For one, why would I lower myself to become a teacher? The point was that all the memorising of equations is a complete waste of time when we have the answer to everything we ever need at our finger tips. That's not the same as saying that students shouldn't know how these equations work and what they're used for. Like I said, Maths hasn't seemed to move on from what it was from when I was at school. Children are leaving school at 15 without any knowledge of things like basic finance because they've had to spend 2 weeks learning the equation for quadratic sequences (which they'll never use again) to get 2 marks on an Exam. It's like the Exam board have never heard of the internet or books.

 

[Ian1779]

Even when my kids was at primary I was amazed at how many methods they were taught to come to the same answer. I was at primary late 70’s early 80’s and maths had moved on so much by the time I had kids in primary I was unable to help them with their homework.

Very few maths specialists in Primary over the years, have contributed to an array of different methods to solve problems. Whilst it may have some good aspects, they rarely become fluent in any method.

Something also missed is that it also relies on literacy and comprehension relative to Maths specifically.

 

[CCFCSteve]

While fading antibodies are often mentioned what of t-cells?
Never really thought about these days but permenant as far as I know?

Yeah, they reckon T cells might even keep some of those with older double jabs out of hospital.

 

[Ian1779]

Wow, that really showed me! For one, why would I lower myself to become a teacher? The point was that all the memorising of equations is a complete waste of time when we have the answer to everything we ever need at our finger tips. That's not the same as saying that students shouldn't know how these equations work and what they're used for. Like I said, Maths hasn't seemed to move on from what it was from when I was at school. Children are leaving school at 15 without any knowledge of things like basic finance because they've had to spend 2 weeks learning the equation for quadratic sequences (which they'll never use again) to get 2 marks on an Exam. It's like the Exam board have never heard of the internet or books.

Whilst you may have a point in some regards, surely Maths personifies the very ‘problem solving/critical thinking’ that is absent?
Ask yourself why there is time dedicated to the Quadratic Formula over basic finance as you put it? Because the people responsible for directing the curriculum at a national level are useless - not the exam boards.
One of my biggest frustrations as a Maths teacher is the obsession of tiered entry. Kids are streamed into 2 tiers, and schools are leaned on to have more kids doing Higher than Foundation. You end of with a lot of Higher tier students scraping a 5 or just manage a 6 that actually aren’t that good at the subject. They lack the skills you’ve referenced because they are trained to do an exam. We should be looking at 2 different ways to teach Maths. Core modules that give everybody the critical components of numeracy and a Maths curriculum that will allow them to operate as an adult. And then an additional/elective aspect that allows them to pursue the skills needed for Maths at a Higher Level for use in the next step of their education (or even if they just enjoy it) that will use that Maths.

 

[Marty]

Whilst you may have a point in some regards, surely Maths personifies the very ‘problem solving/critical thinking’ that is absent?
Ask yourself why there is time dedicated to the Quadratic Formula over basic finance as you put it? Because the people responsible for directing the curriculum at a national level are useless - not the exam boards.
One of my biggest frustrations as a Maths teacher is the obsession of tiered entry. Kids are streamed into 2 tiers, and schools are leaned on to have more kids doing Higher than Foundation. You end of with a lot of Higher tier students scraping a 5 or just manage a 6 that actually aren’t that good at the subject. They lack the skills you’ve referenced because they are trained to do an exam. We should be looking at 2 different ways to teach Maths. Core modules that give everybody the critical components of numeracy and a Maths curriculum that will allow them to operate as an adult. And then an additional/elective aspect that allows them to pursue the skills needed for Maths at a Higher Level for use in the next step of their education (or even if they just enjoy it) that will use that Maths.

We seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet.

 

[Langers70]

But, but, but Baldy's pretend friend says this isn't true

Like i said...they can both gtf

 

[Nick]

Do they do a stat on people testing positive within a week of their booster?

 

[Skybluefaz]

Do they do a stat on people testing positive within a week of their booster?

Odds of Testing Positive for SARS-CoV-2 Following Receipt of 3 vs 2 Doses of the BNT162b2 Vaccine

This case-control study evaluates the initial short-term additional benefit of a 3-dose vs a 2-dose vaccine regimen against infection of SARS-CoV-2.

jamanetwork.com

Having done a quick Google this seems to be the best study that matches your query. The source seems to be a legitimate study.

 

[Sick Boy]

Wow, that really showed me! For one, why would I lower myself to become a teacher? The point was that all the memorising of equations is a complete waste of time when we have the answer to everything we ever need at our finger tips. That's not the same as saying that students shouldn't know how these equations work and what they're used for. Like I said, Maths hasn't seemed to move on from what it was from when I was at school. Children are leaving school at 15 without any knowledge of things like basic finance because they've had to spend 2 weeks learning the equation for quadratic sequences (which they'll never use again) to get 2 marks on an Exam. It's like the Exam board have never heard of the internet or books.

When was the last time children left school at 15? 1970s?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Do they do a stat on people testing positive within a week of their booster?

I did, well around 1.5 weeks

 

[Nick]

Ah I was looking to see if there was one that included Omicron. A few people I know have their booster and then test positive or even getting Omicron symptoms, even LG on this thread is an example. Booster Sunday, Positive Tuesday.

Would be interesting to see if it gives the immune system a kick and it opens people up to Omicron a bit.

 

[Marty]

When was the last time children left school at 15? 1970s?

I did in the early 2000's.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Ah I was looking to see if there was one that included Omicron. A few people I know have their booster and then test positive or even getting Omicron symptoms, even LG on this thread is an example. Booster Sunday, Positive Tuesday.

Would be interesting to see if it gives the immune system a kick and it opens people up to Omicron a bit.

I just assumed booster didn’t have time to fully kick in. I had no symptoms at all though, whereas my mate was only double jabbed and he felt a bit ropey for 3-4 days with some standard Covid symptoms

Not sure the vaccines are stopping Omicron contagion much either way.

 

[Nick]

I did in the early 2000's.

Assume a late date of birth then

 

[Sick Boy]

I did in the early 2000's.

I did too and the official leaving age was 16 - you could only leave at 15 if you turned 16 before the end of the summer.
They now have to stay in some kind of education/training until 18.

 

[Marty]

Assume a late date of birth then

Aye, I'm a July baby,

 

[Sick Boy]

I just assumed booster didn’t have time to fully kick in. I had no symptoms at all though, whereas my mate was only double jabbed and he felt a bit ropey for 3-4 days with some standard Covid symptoms

Not sure the vaccines are stopping Omicron contagion much either way.

Doesn’t it take a couple of weeks for a vaccine to be fully effective?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Doesn’t it take a couple of weeks for a vaccine to be fully effective?

Yeah. That’s what I meant by not having time to fully kick in. Did it’s job either way as literally no symptoms at all

 

[Marty]

I did too and the official leaving age was 16 - you could only leave at 15 if you turned 16 before the end of the summer.
They now have to stay in some kind of education/training until 18.

So apprenticeships would be covered. Just like I did. Thank you for confirming I'm correct.

 

[Sick Boy]

So apprenticeships would be covered. Just like I did. Thank you for confirming I'm correct.

The actual leaving age is still 16.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Ah I was looking to see if there was one that included Omicron. A few people I know have their booster and then test positive or even getting Omicron symptoms, even LG on this thread is an example. Booster Sunday, Positive Tuesday.

Would be interesting to see if it gives the immune system a kick and it opens people up to Omicron a bit.

Mine was probably picked up going out for work drinks the end of last week. Between getting the poster and testing positive I hadn't actually left the house.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Ah I was looking to see if there was one that included Omicron. A few people I know have their booster and then test positive or even getting Omicron symptoms, even LG on this thread is an example. Booster Sunday, Positive Tuesday.

Would be interesting to see if it gives the immune system a kick and it opens people up to Omicron a bit.

@Brighton Sky Blue can probably tell you if that is a possibility. Although common sense would probably tell me that you can multiply the numbers in the study I linked by whatever the increased transmissibilty of Omicron is and you'd get a decent idea of the numbers.

Failing common sense you can try fatso, baldy or the spectator.

 

[Nick]

@Brighton Sky Blue can probably tell you if that is a possibility. Although common sense would probably tell me that you can multiply the numbers in the study I linked by whatever the increased transmissibilty of Omicron is and you'd get a decent idea of the numbers.

Failing common sense you can try fatso, baldy or the spectator.

Both options would be complete guesses.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Ah I was looking to see if there was one that included Omicron. A few people I know have their booster and then test positive or even getting Omicron symptoms, even LG on this thread is an example. Booster Sunday, Positive Tuesday.

Would be interesting to see if it gives the immune system a kick and it opens people up to Omicron a bit.

The simple answer is that the booster still takes time to take effect, perhaps as long as 2 weeks, so you haven’t got full protection in that timeframe. Even after that time it’s still estimated as absolute maximum 80% protection against symptomatic infection.

 

[Nick]

The simple answer is that the booster still takes time to take effect, perhaps as long as 2 weeks, so you haven’t got full protection in that timeframe. Even after that time it’s still estimated as absolute maximum 80% protection against symptomatic infection.

Is there no chance it could reduce protection if it's doing stuff in your immune system?

A fair few people seem to have avoided COVID the last couple of years, been to get their booster and now tested positive for Christmas.

Another science question, if you can't get boosted for a while after you have COVID. Won't it cause issues if they boost people who have it?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Is there no chance it could reduce protection if it's doing stuff in your immune system?

A fair few people seem to have avoided COVID the last couple of years, been to get their booster and now tested positive for Christmas.

Another science question, if you can't get boosted for a while after you have COVID. Won't it cause issues if they boost people who have it?

Assuming you got an mRNA booster it will be getting your body to make the spike protein, then your immune system reacts with antibodies and after that producing memory cells for longer term immunity.

One thought I had which I haven’t looked into is whether PCR is actually identifying the vaccine itself, if it’s within a few days of the jab. After then the vaccine itself pretty much disappears. Then though in those few weeks you’ll be making spike protein yourself and getting positive LFTs from these or otherwise being infected.

The last question is a good point, Omicron is likely to have already been present in people arriving to get jabbed. There the honest answer is we don’t really have the data. My best guess is that it would probably help having even more antibodies in your system at the same time as actual virus.

 

[Nick]

I just didn't get why you can't be boosted for a couple of weeks after you have had COVID but there's actually nothing stopping people who currently have it without knowing.

That's why I didn't know if there was a mainstream stat that said in the UK x or y people tested positive within 7 days of having the booster.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Ah I was looking to see if there was one that included Omicron. A few people I know have their booster and then test positive or even getting Omicron symptoms, even LG on this thread is an example. Booster Sunday, Positive Tuesday.

Would be interesting to see if it gives the immune system a kick and it opens people up to Omicron a bit.

It's more likely just coincidence given the booster programme is being driven by a surge in Omicron infections just as the expected seasonal peaks start accelerating. The booster isn't fully effective immediately either but won't make your overall immunity decline initially even so.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

More people are probably catching it because it's more transmittable and evades vaccines better...