Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (6 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

There is no lockdown here Nick. Vaccines enabled the UK to lift restrictions in July, without them we'd be nowhere.

Vaccines are the only thing giving my Mum a fighting chance of a) not catching Covid and b) fighting it off if she does, but people are choosing to belittle and mock, and consciously spread doubt with no basis in reality. It's actually pretty offensive and hurtful.

 

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[Skybluefaz]

Vaccines are the only thing giving my Mum a fighting chance of a) not catching Covid and b) fighting it off if she does, but people are choosing to belittle and mock, and consciously spread doubt with no basis in reality. It's actually pretty offensive and hurtful.

Agree, some of the stuff on here is lurching towards the shite you'd read on paranoid Facebook groups.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Oh so I'm not allowed an opinion and to have doubts then? I'm not trying to make anybody proud.

To be fair, you're spouting more bullshit with stuff like "lockdown ending vaccine". Which one is that?

If we didn't have a vaccine reducing hospitalisations, with the number of cases right now do you think we'd wouldn't be under the same restrictions as full lockdown last year?

 

[Nick]

Vaccines are the only thing giving my Mum a fighting chance of a) not catching Covid and b) fighting it off if she does, but people are choosing to belittle and mock, and consciously spread doubt with no basis in reality. It's actually pretty offensive and hurtful.

How is it belittling and mocking? I have and wouldn't say anything about your mum. Your mum will be giving herself more than a fighting chance as well as plenty of other things, she isn't completely reliant on one thing, obviously a good thing.

You are choosing to be offended, ironic really considering that you are also guilty of personal shit slinging. (as most of us are at points)

 

[Nick]

Is this allowed to be asked about?

This is from up to the 12th so will be before the huge booster push so numbers may look a lot different in a couple of weeks when yeah the huge majority will be boosted. It's Omicron variant specific rather than old COVID.

 

[Skybluefaz]

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Is this allowed to be asked about?

This is from up to the 12th so will be before the huge booster push so numbers may look a lot different in a couple of weeks when yeah the huge majority will be boosted. It's Omicron variant specific rather than old COVID.

What are you asking about it?

 

[Nick]

What are you asking about it?

That if you have never had it before and then get a booster you are much more likely to potentially get Omicron than somebody who might have had it before and is double jabbed for example.

Or are the stats just from FB loons?

 

[Skybluefaz]

That if you have never had it before and then get a booster you are much more likely to potentially get Omicron than somebody who might have had it before and is double jabbed for example.

Or are the stats just from FB loons?

I dunno what are they saying on the group?

 

[Nick]

I dunno what are they saying on the group?

No clue. What about yours?

I was more looking for the potential scientific reasoning that could be making it like that.

 

[Skybluefaz]

No clue. What about yours?

I was more looking for the potential scientific reasoning that could be making it like that.

Is there no reasoning on the page you got the stats from? Can you link to the URL please?

 

[SBT]

So cool that the guy who runs this forum spends all day complaining about sensationalist media, then posts random tables about the vaccine that he’s seen online without knowing if it’s just FB loons, but hey, he’s just asking questions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Nick]

So cool that the guy who runs this forum spends all day complaining about sensationalist media, then posts random tables about the vaccine that he’s seen online without knowing if it’s just FB loons, but hey, he’s just asking questions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It isn't a random table, I didn't get it from Facebook. I was asking if it will just be decided that it is from FB Loons. I know it isn't from FB loons.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That if you have never had it before and then get a booster you are much more likely to potentially get Omicron than somebody who might have had it before and is double jabbed for example.

Or are the stats just from FB loons?

I’d wait and see when we have a reliably large data set. Even if we saw those numbers repeated in tens of thousands of people, we’ve got to be wary of correlation vs causation here.

Scientifically speaking I do not see how the jab itself could lower your immunity even in the initial stages.

 

[Nick]

Is there no reasoning on the page you got the stats from? Can you link to the URL please?

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, UK: Characteristics related to having an Omicron compatible result in those who test positive for COVID-19 - Office for National Statistics

www.ons.gov.uk

Only thing it seems is that it's data from before the booster and infection surge so in a couple of weeks it would be more reliable.

 

[Nick]

Scientifically speaking I do not see how the jab itself could lower your immunity even in the initial stages.

I get that it's more infectious, just seems a different type of person it's targeting now with infection (rather than serious illness).

 

[Liquid Gold]

I might just be that vaccine sites are a good place to pick up the virus with so many people coming and going at often small, not well ventilated sites. If I had the virus and was contagious when I went for my booster then I could very easily have passed it on there.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I get that it's more infectious, just seems a different type of person it's targeting now with infection (rather than serious illness).

FYI this came from the ONS today

Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics

www.ons.gov.uk

 

[Skybluefaz]

Is it that somebody who is double jabbed and not had it but just had the booster would have less anti-bodies than someone who is double jabbed and had Covid-19, taking into account the 2 week lag that the booster supposedly has to give you max protection?

 

[Nick]

Is it that somebody who is double jabbed and not had it but just had the booster would have less anti-bodies than someone who is double jabbed and had Covid-19, taking into account the 2 week lag that the booster supposedly has to give you max protection?

That included the 14 days.

It's only up to the 12th December so guessing there will be lots more data when they do the updated versions.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The most up to date version of the data that Nick posted is here. Head to table 2a which gives a similar breakdown as before and now gives 2 weeks after a third dose as among the lowest rates.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fhealthandsocialcare%2fconditionsanddiseases%2fdatasets%2fcoronaviruscovid19infectionsinthecommunityinengland%2f16december2021/covid19infectionsurveydatasets20211216.xlsx

 

[chiefdave]

That if you have never had it before and then get a booster you are much more likely to potentially get Omicron than somebody who might have had it before and is double jabbed for example.

Aren't those stats independent of each other? You've got probabilities to various vaccination statuses, and the propability of being infected with the variant drops as expected in line with the vaccination schedule. You've then got probabilities for those previously infected, and as we already knew having covid one reduces the probability of catching it again.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The new data shows 164 positive cases in 42,000 people who had the booster for at least 2 weeks. For unvaccinated it was nearly 700 in just 17,000 tested.

Interestingly the best performing group was 2 doses of Pfizer, up to 3 months on from the second dose.

 

[Nick]

The most up to date version of the data that Nick posted is here. Head to table 2a which gives a similar breakdown as before and now gives 2 weeks after a third dose as among the lowest rates.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fhealthandsocialcare%2fconditionsanddiseases%2fdatasets%2fcoronaviruscovid19infectionsinthecommunityinengland%2f16december2021/covid19infectionsurveydatasets20211216.xlsx

Yeah that's just COVID, the one I posted was "Omicron" was specific so why it was slightly different.

2 hits of Moderna the same as 2 and booster as well.

Also, bring back smoking

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah that's just COVID, the one I posted was "Omicron" was specific so why it was slightly different.

2 hits of Moderna the same as 2 and booster as well.

Also, bring back smoking

Ok, but you would assume that all COVID would also include proportionally similar Omicron cases, particularly over tens of thousands of tests.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I may be being dense here but it looks to me like 3 doses is still the best, 0.35% compared to slightly more for Pfizer 2 jabs?

 

[Nick]

Ok, but you would assume that all COVID would also include proportionally similar Omicron cases, particularly over tens of thousands of tests.

There weren't that many Omicron cases in November though were there? Guessing that's mostly OG COVID.

 

[ajsccfc]

When the rest of us eventually catch Omicron I just don't want to hear crowing from the hipster Delta elites

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There weren't that many Omicron cases in November though were there? Guessing that's mostly OG COVID.

Delta is still the most common according to the most recent ONS update that came out yesterday. There’s also some issues that not all S-gene negative tests are Omicron as if your viral load is generally low it can also be missed.

In essence the variant to me seems so different that we need to modify the PCR test accordingly.

 

[Nick]

When the rest of us eventually catch Omicron I just don't want to hear crowing from the hipster Delta elites

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

 

[baldy]

That if you have never had it before and then get a booster you are much more likely to potentially get Omicron than somebody who might have had it before and is double jabbed for example.

Or are the stats just from FB loons?

My bros stepson has been triple jabbed & has had covid previously & he tested today,(when he didn’t even have to) - lo & behold…he’s up the duff with the Kung flu
What’s the point of the vaccines?

 

[chiefdave]

he’s up the duff

These side effects just get worse.

 

[Liquid Gold]

And it's Alan Shearer's!

 

[Kieranp96]

My bros stepson has been triple jabbed & has had covid previously & he tested today,(when he didn’t even have to) - lo & behold…he’s up the duff with the Kung flu
What’s the point of the vaccines?

Damn he died because he crashed his car, whats the point in seatbelts?

 

[Tommo1993]

My bros stepson has been triple jabbed & has had covid previously & he tested today,(when he didn’t even have to) - lo & behold…he’s up the duff with the Kung flu
What’s the point of the vaccines?

How bad are his symptoms?