Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (3 Viewers)

[Nick]

You can't say that for sure. I've already given you examples of diseases that have died out.

It depends on testing and what defines it though, surely?

Fingers crossed it does hopefully die out but if we always test everybody who has no symptoms or just a headache then it's likely there will be some trace of something in them.

It's going to be a long wait if it's a case of sitting and waiting for zero cases and zero deaths of anybody who has traces of it in their system.

 

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[Grendel]

Covid-19 vaccinations: African nations miss WHO target

Most African countries are behind with their Covid vaccinations and have now missed two global targets.

www.bbc.com

But vaccines are arriving and there issues.

Arrival of 1bn vaccine doses won’t solve Africa’s Covid crisis, experts say | Global development | The Guardian

Concerns over equipment shortages, bottlenecks and hesitancy on continent with 7.5% vaccine coverage

amp.theguardian.com

However hospitalisation versus rapid infection rise is looking optimistic

 

[clint van damme]

It depends on testing and what defines it though, surely?

Fingers crossed it does hopefully die out but if we always test everybody who has no symptoms or just a headache then it's likely there will be some trace of something in them.

It's going to be a long wait if it's a case of sitting and waiting for zero cases and zero deaths of anybody who has traces of it in their system.

I don't think testing works like that. If you haven't got it it won't show up. Especially in a PCR test.

 

[SBT]

Omicron is natures vaccine.

Mutated into a much more contagious, however much less serious illness. See Spanish flu, that was 2 years as have been previous pandemics.

We're nearly there, i really do think so

Medicine - who needs it, right?

 

[SBT]

The vaccine was sold as the end, so the narrative keeps changing. There isn't really any consistency which just fuels skepticism.

As I said, the end comes when the virus stops having a meaningful impact on your everyday life. We’re already seeing it now - if infections are mild enough, we can muddle our way through and get back to normal. So what’s the quickest and best way to ensure that any infections are mild?

 

[Saddlebrains]

Fuck me some of you on this thread.

It's like you want this to carry on and spend the rest of your life shitting yourselves.

The virus has mutated into a weaker form. As coronaviruses have done since the dawn of fucking time.

Yet some on here cant seem to accept that. No im not a doctor before that usual retort pops up but fuck me.

This is the best thing we could have asked for, bar vaccines. A weaker virus that has ripped through everyone whilst causing minimal hospitalisations and deaths.

Why are people still shitting themselves? It's almost time to live with this as normal. A 6 monthly/ yearly booster, and if you're ill dont see vulnerable people/ elderly until you recover

 

[SBT]

Fuck me some of you on this thread.

It's like you want this to carry on and spend the rest of your life shitting yourselves.

The virus has mutated into a weaker form. As coronaviruses have done since the dawn of fucking time.

Yet some on here cant seem to accept that. No im not a doctor before that usual retort pops up but fuck me.

This is the best thing we could have asked for, bar vaccines. A weaker virus that has ripped through everyone whilst causing minimal hospitalisations and deaths.

Why are people still shitting themselves? It's almost time to live with this as normal. A 6 monthly/ yearly booster, and if you're ill dont see vulnerable people/ elderly until you recover

You’ve spent months fretting and whining about whether to get the booster - which you openly accept is “the best thing we could have asked for” - up until the point you ended up getting infected yourself. Why are you the one who suddenly gets to lecture people about shitting themselves?

 

[clint van damme]

Fuck me some of you on this thread.

It's like you want this to carry on and spend the rest of your life shitting yourselves.

The virus has mutated into a weaker form. As coronaviruses have done since the dawn of fucking time.

Yet some on here cant seem to accept that. No im not a doctor before that usual retort pops up but fuck me.

This is the best thing we could have asked for, bar vaccines. A weaker virus that has ripped through everyone whilst causing minimal hospitalisations and deaths.

Why are people still shitting themselves? It's almost time to live with this as normal. A 6 monthly/ yearly booster, and if you're ill dont see vulnerable people/ elderly until you recover

Who's shitting themselves?
If anyone is it's you which is why you're in constant denial.
I'm currently sat in my house with two people suffering from it, the wife is pretty ill and I know 2 fit men in their 30s who have had it really bad in the last 2 weeks, one who had to go to hospital.

So, yes, we're on the right path, but it's not over yet.

 

[Sick Boy]

Fuck me some of you on this thread.

It's like you want this to carry on and spend the rest of your life shitting yourselves.

The virus has mutated into a weaker form. As coronaviruses have done since the dawn of fucking time.

Yet some on here cant seem to accept that. No im not a doctor before that usual retort pops up but fuck me.

This is the best thing we could have asked for, bar vaccines. A weaker virus that has ripped through everyone whilst causing minimal hospitalisations and deaths.

Why are people still shitting themselves? It's almost time to live with this as normal. A 6 monthly/ yearly booster, and if you're ill dont see vulnerable people/ elderly until you recover

It’s all well and good if you lockdown all borders until it’s over around the world. Funnily enough those “shitting themselves” on the thread are those unable to accept the situation.

 

[Skybluefaz]

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You can't say that for sure. I've already given you examples of diseases that have died out.

We were able to eradicate smallpox because a) it didn’t mutate and b) the vaccine for it was as effective as they come. While a few people have talked about a zero Covid strategy it’s constantly mutating and all the best vaccines can do is prevent serious illness.

As a strategy if seriously pursued it will drive most people mad and probably not work

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

As I said, the end comes when the virus stops having a meaningful impact on your everyday life. We’re already seeing it now - if infections are mild enough, we can muddle our way through and get back to normal. So what’s the quickest and best way to ensure that any infections are mild?

Force school kids to mask up all day even though they were vaccinated barely a few months ago. Keep isolation rules in place that will take workplaces down to skeleton crews even if people aren’t ill.

 

[clint van damme]

We were able to eradicate smallpox because a) it didn’t mutate and b) the vaccine for it was as effective as they come. While a few people have talked about a zero Covid strategy it’s constantly mutating and all the best vaccines can do is prevent serious illness.

As a strategy if seriously pursued it will drive most people mad and probably not work

So Spanish flu did eventually mutate into something weaker? Is covid possibly a relative?!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So Spanish flu did eventually mutate into something weaker? Is covid possibly a relative?!

Influenza killed 25,000 people here just a few years ago. We anticipate what strains are likely to appear (based in a fair part on what happens in the Southern Hemisphere) and make a calculated guess on what to make against it. It’ll still take you out for a week in most cases if unvaccinated or if our ‘guess’ is wrong.

With COVID making people infectious before symptoms appear it’s not really comparable. The advantage we do have is we’re armed to the teeth with variant knowledge and have vaccines that can be easily modified against them. Though I don’t get why the booster shots weren’t at least modified to be targeted at Delta

 

[Saddlebrains]

You’ve spent months fretting and whining about whether to get the booster - which you openly accept is “the best thing we could have asked for” - up until the point you ended up getting infected yourself. Why are you the one who suddenly gets to lecture people about shitting themselves?

Because ive had worse hangovers.

Those i know, and there's loads as im sure there is eith you also that have had omicron have walked it off within a day or 2 with a few lemsips and a nap.

This is literally the best we can ask for. This is my frustration when reading some of the pant wetting on here.

 

[clint van damme]

Influenza killed 25,000 people here just a few years ago. We anticipate what strains are likely to appear (based in a fair part on what happens in the Southern Hemisphere) and make a calculated guess on what to make against it. It’ll still take you out for a week in most cases if unvaccinated or if our ‘guess’ is wrong.

With COVID making people infectious before symptoms appear it’s not really comparable. The advantage we do have is we’re armed to the teeth with variant knowledge and have vaccines that can be easily modified against them. Though I don’t get why the booster shots weren’t at least modified to be targeted at Delta

So what about TB, that mutates but we only have a small number of deaths each year?

 

[Saddlebrains]

Who's shitting themselves?
If anyone is it's you which is why you're in constant denial.
I'm currently sat in my house with two people suffering from it, the wife is pretty ill and I know 2 fit men in their 30s who have had it really bad in the last 2 weeks, one who had to go to hospital.

So, yes, we're on the right path, but it's not over yet.

Not in denial at all. Of course its not great to hear people are going to hospital with it, no one wants to hear that.

But the point im trying to make is this is the best we're going to get. A weaker virus, vaccines and common sense.

Surely?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Because ive had worse hangovers.

Those i know, and there's loads as im sure there is eith you also that have had omicron have walked it off within a day or 2 with a few lemsips and a nap.

This is literally the best we can ask for. This is my frustration when reading some of the pant wetting on here.

I don’t think you can or should forget we’ve lost posters to it from here.

 

[clint van damme]

Because ive had worse hangovers.

Those i know, and there's loads as im sure there is eith you also that have had omicron have walked it off within a day or 2 with a few lemsips and a nap.

This is literally the best we can ask for. This is my frustration when reading some of the pant wetting on here.

I've just told you of three people know who've are or were pretty ill or seriously ill. What's pant wetting about that?
I'm glad you never had it badly and the notion that in general it's less serious seems correct but there's still no room for complacency

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So what about TB, that mutates but we only have a small number of deaths each year?

Well several reasons for that mostly lying in that we have a vaccination program for it that most people get in school depending on their response to the Heaf test. It’s also a bacterial disease, quite a different pathogen.

The asymptomatic rate for it is also very high

 

[Sick Boy]

The bed wetters comment is pretty ironic.

 

[Saddlebrains]

I don’t think you can or should forget we’ve lost posters to it from here.

Im aware of that. I know of people lost to it.

What im trying to say is its a lot different now. Omicron is milder. Statistically proven now all across the world and here.

We have vaccines which have been shown to work.

The last piece of the puzzle to return to pre 2020 normality is surely just common sense? If you're ill, dont visit vulnerable people. If you feel rough but for example live alone or with a young child and absolute must go out, wear a mask.

Im sure we all agree on this?

The conversation on here surely needs to move away from the usual 'fuck the jabbed, fuck the unjabbed' ' oh shit theres thousands of cases we need restrictions' etc.

Why can we not now look at the place we're in with this and move forward?

 

[Sick Boy]

Im aware of that. I know of people lost to it.

What im trying to say is its a lot different now. Omicron is milder. Statistically proven now all across the world and here.

We have vaccines which have been shown to work.

The last piece of the puzzle to return to pre 2020 normality is surely just common sense? If you're ill, dont visit vulnerable people. If you feel rough but for example live alone or with a young child and absolute must go out, wear a mask.

Im sure we all agree on this?

The conversation on here surely needs to move away from the usual 'fuck the jabbed, fuck the unjabbed' ' oh shit theres thousands of cases we need restrictions' etc.

Why can we not now look at the place we're in with this and move forward?

It’s.a.global.pandemic.

 

[clint van damme]

Well several reasons for that mostly lying in that we have a vaccination program for it that most people get in school depending on their response to the Heaf test. It’s also a bacterial disease, quite a different pathogen.

The asymptomatic rate for it is also very high

So the BCG has us covered for life even if TB mutates? Pretty mad stuff

 

[Saddlebrains]

It’s.a.global.pandemic.

That helps how?

Whats your way out of this? Interested to hear

 

[SBT]

Because ive had worse hangovers.

Those i know, and there's loads as im sure there is eith you also that have had omicron have walked it off within a day or 2 with a few lemsips and a nap.

This is literally the best we can ask for. This is my frustration when reading some of the pant wetting on here.

This ‘milder’ variant would have had this country on its knees in March 2020. You got away with a mild illness largely thanks to the two doses of the vaccine you got last year. Might not have even contracted it at all had you got the booster, but you were too busy publicly fretting over whether it was safe to do so - now you have the gall to accuse others of shitting themselves. Bizarre.

If you want “literally the best we can ask for”, then don’t make the same mistake as Saddlebrains, and take full advantage of the best protection we have at our disposal. Get vaccinated, and if you need to later down the line, get boosted again as well. The sooner we turn this bullshit virus into a mild hangover the sooner we can get back to normal, and I’d rather not wait for nature to work its way through the Greek alphabet to get there.

 

[Sick Boy]

That helps how?

Whats your way out of this? Interested to hear

Step up efforts to vaccinate the rest of the world and remain cautious in the meantime - unless you’re planning on shutting down borders, having a global perspective is definitely going to help.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Im aware of that. I know of people lost to it.

What im trying to say is its a lot different now. Omicron is milder. Statistically proven now all across the world and here.

We have vaccines which have been shown to work.

The last piece of the puzzle to return to pre 2020 normality is surely just common sense? If you're ill, dont visit vulnerable people. If you feel rough but for example live alone or with a young child and absolute must go out, wear a mask.

Im sure we all agree on this?

The conversation on here surely needs to move away from the usual 'fuck the jabbed, fuck the unjabbed' ' oh shit theres thousands of cases we need restrictions' etc.

Why can we not now look at the place we're in with this and move forward?

The problem there is you’re infectious before symptoms appear. Regardless my view is not that far from yours on what I think the rules should be-isolation especially needs to stop. If education is going to be like this every year or even just every winter I will leave for definite, classrooms full of masked children and the expectation I will teach people remotely and physically at the same time. Sod off with that

 

[Saddlebrains]

This ‘milder’ variant would have had this country on its knees in March 2020. You got away with a mild illness largely thanks to the two doses of the vaccine you got last year. Might not have even contracted it at all had you got the booster, but you were too busy publicly fretting over whether it was safe to do so - now you have the gall to accuse others of shitting themselves. Bizarre.

If you want “literally the best we can ask for”, then don’t make the same mistake as Saddlebrains, and take full advantage of the best protection we have at our disposal. Get vaccinated, and if you need to later down the line, get boosted again as well. The sooner we turn this bullshit virus into a mild hangover the sooner we can get back to normal, and I’d rather not wait for nature to work its way through the Greek alphabet to get there.

Well turns out i dont need the booster now doesnt it .

Fair points on the rest

 

[Saddlebrains]

Step up efforts to vaccinate the rest of the world and remain cautious in the meantime - unless you’re planning on shutting down borders, having a global perspective is definitely going to help.

Agree with this, there should be a massive global vaccination effort.

The question has to be asked why its not being done though. We all know it comes down to money and thats a shame

 

[Philosoraptor]

This was on Twitter the other day. Thought it was quite apt.

 

[SBT]

Well turns out i dont need the booster now doesnt it .

Fair points on the rest

Yes, congratulations on walking around in a thunderstorm carrying a big sheet of metal and not being struck by lightning - you truly are the smartest of us all.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So the BCG has us covered for life even if TB mutates? Pretty mad stuff

BCG protection lasts for about a decade and for those who do still get it we can treat it with antibiotics

 

[Saddlebrains]

Yes, congratulations on walking around in a thunderstorm carrying a big sheet of metal and not being struck by lightning - you truly are the smartest of us all.

What a shit analogy.

Again, scientifically proven, il find the article if you like.

Those with 2 jabs and then infection have antibodies 10000x stronger than just jabbed. The booster also waning after 10 weeks doesnt exactly inspire confidence in those being asked to come forward does it?

 

[Saddlebrains]

Unjabbed who caught Delta have virtually no protection against Omicron

Britons with antibodies from a prior Delta infection may have no protection from Omicron, a new Austrian study suggests, but if they go to get a Covid jab they may be the best protected of all.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Here you go