Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (9 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

My point was more about the industries that will have to test every day regardless of them being in contact with somebody who has it.

It's isolation causing the issues. Not the actual illness, it's not People all bed ridden. The huge majority of people now seem to just have a cold. Yes some will need poorly from it and others have no symptoms at all.

Do we isolate because of the flu and colds next winter and force people to stay at home for 7 days? It's not viable.

but if you test every day and the tests are negative you won't have to isolate.
Who are these people who are isolating without positive tests?

 

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[Nick]

but if you test every day and the tests are negative you won't have to isolate.
Who are these people who are isolating without positive tests?

If my daughter had it in term time then id have been off work to look after her and I wouldn't have had a positive test. She had a headache and would have needed a week off school. That's me or her mum off work to look after her, who does our jobs? What happens to those who won't get paid for the week off to look after their kid while there's nothing actually wrong with them?

So then you also have people who are isolating with absolutely no symptoms or a cold. That's 7 days.

You have a small business where people have kids and you could be ruined without anybody actually being poorly.

There's a massive knock on effect. At what point do we stop hiding from it? Where's the threshold?

We keep hearing "save the NHS" but when a nurse has to be off because somebody they live with has it and they still test negative then it's going to cause issues.

 

[clint van damme]

If my daughter had it in term time then id have been off work to look after her and I wouldn't have had a positive test. She had a headache and would have needed a week off school.

So then you also have people who are isolating with absolutely no symptoms or a cold. That's 7 days.

You have a small business where people have kids and you could be ruined without anybody actually being poorly.

There's a massive knock on effect. At what point do we stop hiding from it? Where's the threshold?

We keep hearing "save the NHS" but when a nurse has to be off because somebody they live with has it and they still test negative then it's going to cause issues.

if your daughter was off with a flu or cold you'd have to look after her as you keep saying.
But I've acknowledged how difficult it is for parents of school aged children.

But who are these people, aside from parents, who are isolating without a positive test and no symptoms? No one should be doing that. And a parent looking after an ill child isn't isolating, they're looking after their child.

 

[Nick]

if your daughter was off with a flu or cold you'd have to look after her as you keep saying.
But I've acknowledged how difficult it is for parents of school aged children.

But who are these people, aside from parents, who are isolating without a positive test and no symptoms? No one should be doing that. And a parent looking after an ill child isn't isolating, they're looking after their child.

No, if she had a bit of a sniffle she would go to school. If she had the headache for a bit she had with covid she would have been at school with a paracetamol.

How many people have tested positive but absolutely nothing wrong with them or mild cold symptoms and have to stay off work for a week?

It doesn't look as if we can hide from it either and you can pass it on before you even test positive for it.

 

[clint van damme]

No, if she had a bit of a sniffle she would go to school. If she had the headache for a bit she had with covid she would have been at school with a paracetamol.

How many people have tested positive but absolutely nothing wrong with them or mild cold symptoms and have to stay off work for a week?

It doesn't look as if we can hide from it either and you can pass it on before you even test positive for it.

If you test positive on an LFT most people do another. If both are positive there's a fair chance they're correct but you follow it up with a PCR,they're pretty accurate.
Yes its an inconvinience, but we're in a global pandemic.
Its undeniable given your posts that you just want it to let rip through society but that really irresponsible in my opinion.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

9pm mine was. Last of the day. This was in the Black Country though

Are you sure it was a covid vaccine and not a syringe full of smack?

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

The north-west now the omicorn epicentre with lots of regions hurtling towards 3k/100k rates.....so in reality you can probably multiply that by 3 or 4..... its endemic....its so rife as to render asymptomatic isolation of the minority who test and record asymptomatic positive cases as pointless IMHO....

Meanwhile loads of NHS trusts have now cancelled all elective surgeries etc. And declared critical incidents mainly due to staff absenteeism due to isolation....

So even post-vaccine mild covid is still trumping cancer, heart disease etc. For the 2nd winter running......

....Bag of shite.

 

[Nick]

If you test positive on an LFT most people do another. If both are positive there's a fair chance they're correct but you follow it up with a PCR,they're pretty accurate.
Yes its an inconvinience, but we're in a global pandemic.
Its undeniable given your posts that you just want it to let rip through society but that really irresponsible in my opinion.

It already is ripping through it, the damage will be done by the hundreds of thousands of people at home without anything wrong with them.

At what point can it be justified? Do we do this next year if there's an even milder variant and test everybody? Why don't we do that for flu too to see who has it without realising?

There's a much bigger picture as to the damage that will be done from the isolation without any symptoms.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If you test positive on an LFT most people do another. If both are positive there's a fair chance they're correct but you follow it up with a PCR,they're pretty accurate.
Yes its an inconvinience, but we're in a global pandemic.
Its undeniable given your posts that you just want it to let rip through society but that really irresponsible in my opinion.

The point is keeping people at home who aren’t ill is becoming a very big problem for a lot of workplaces. The true number of new infections daily is likely far higher than 200,000 meaning that mitigations now are a sticking plaster over a gangrenous wound.

At such a time we should be ending isolation for the asymptomatic.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I don't think I've had COVID though don't religiously test as I've got two young children who pass on a lot of lurgee anyway. In a way I'd like to have it now while my booster is at its most effective as it feels like a good long term bet

 

[Nick]

I don't think I've had COVID though don't religiously test as I've got two young children who pass on a lot of lurgee anyway. In a way I'd like to have it now while my booster is at its most effective as it feels like a good long term bet

I'm the same, hoped I got it weirdly when my daughter did. Get it out of the way.

Is that link for people who had omnicron after old covid or omicron after omicron?

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'm the same, hoped I got it weirdly when my daughter did. Get it out of the way.

Is that link for people who had omnicron after old covid or omicron after omicron?

Omicron presumably after any previous variant as it would seem unlikely to have two close Omicron infections

 

[Nick]

Omicron presumably after any previous variant as it would seem unlikely to have two close Omicron infections

That's what I thought. Pretty much watering it down.

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s incredible it’s still being compared to colds and flu.

 

[Nick]

It’s incredible it’s still being compared to colds and flu.

Why?

That's what it is now for the vast majority.

 

[Sick Boy]

If you test positive on an LFT most people do another. If both are positive there's a fair chance they're correct but you follow it up with a PCR,they're pretty accurate.
Yes its an inconvinience, but we're in a global pandemic.
Its undeniable given your posts that you just want it to let rip through society but that really irresponsible in my opinion.

…and majorly selfish.

 

[Nick]

…and majorly selfish.

Against who? The NHS we are saving who are having issues because thousands are at home with nothing wrong with them.

 

[Sick Boy]

Against who?

Those working in hospitals on the frontline and dealing with the fallout of it all and putting themselves at risk of contracting it and infecting others.

 

[Nick]

Those working in hospitals on the frontline and dealing with the fallout of it all and putting themselves at risk of contracting it and infecting others.

If they get it they can stay at home on full pay for 7 days. There are much worse off who wouldn't even get that.

It isn't 2 years ago, omicron isn't going to kill everybody.

Again, it's the isolation going to do the damage rather than the actual illness symptoms. Surely that's obvious?

At what point are we still protecting the NHS? When we have to lock ourselves away if we sneeze just in case?

Let's face it, with omnicron we all put ourselves at risk of getting it and infecting others every day now.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

Not a single PCR test available within 50 miles of Cov when I booked earlier so now waiting on a home test. Have been showing symptoms since Monday and was in close contact with someone who has now tested positive so I guess I’m going to be isolating until Friday at the earliest before I’m likely to get a PCR result.

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

your first paragraph seems a contradiction, if people take an LFT and are negative then surely they just crack on with things? Why is that a problem?
You only isolate if you get a positive LFT which you then follow it up with a PCR. Surely that makes sense if we want to get things back to normal but want to minimise the spread of the virus?

You're also pushing this line that the virus is milder, which may be true in more cases but not all cases, I know 9 people who've had covid since Christmas, 3 have been very ill, one of whom ended up in hospital. 2 in their 30s and one in their 50s, none with underlying health conditions or over weight.
That's not a virus that we should be complacent about in my book. I've never known another illness that has had that level of severity in such a short space of time among people I know.

I believe more people are going for PCR tests when they have received a negative LFT or haven't done a LFT at all but haven't got traditional covid symptoms (i.e. they have cold like symptoms) and it's flagging up as positive. People may argue that is the right thing to do as its proven they have covid, but as a result they are then having to self isolate for 7x days when in the majority of they are fit to carry on and I think we need to accept we can't continue like that, especially now that everyone has had an opportunity to be boosted

Of course there will be cases where people are seriously ill but think this is more a minority now than a majority compared to Delta

May I ask if those that have been ill if they have been vaccinated & boosted? Hopefully they've recovered now or on the mend

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[clint van damme]

Not a single PCR test available within 50 miles of Cov when I booked earlier so now waiting on a home test. Have been showing symptoms since Monday and was in close contact with someone who has now tested positive so I guess I’m going to be isolating until Friday at the earliest before I’m likely to get a PCR result.

Thats shit, but kee trying. My daughter had the same thing, nearest Gloucester, but then a load came up at the one by the Skydome, she had a choice of about 4 time slots.

 

[clint van damme]

I believe more people are going for PCR tests when they have received a negative LFT or haven't done a LFT at all but haven't got traditional covid symptoms (i.e. they have cold like symptoms) and it's flagging up as positive. People may argue that is the right thing to do as its proven they have covid, but as a result they are then having to self isolate for 7x days when in the majority of they are fit to carry on and I think we need to accept we can't continue like that, especially now that everyone has had an opportunity to be boosted

Of course there will be cases where people are seriously ill but think this is more a minority now than a majority compared to Delta

May I ask if those that have been ill if they have been vaccinated & boosted? Hopefully they've recovered now or on the mend

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But if they've had a PCR test that's came back positive surely they should be isolating as they have the virus?

As for the vacinne status of the people I know who've got it all fully jabbed apart from the lad that went to hospital, I don't know whether he's had any or not.

 

[Nick]

But if they've had a PCR test that's came back positive surely they should be isolating as they have the virus?

As for the vacinne status of the people I know who've got it all fully jabbed apart from the lad that went to hospital, I don't know whether he's had any or not.

The issue is that the isolating is going to cause more damage than the actual virus.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But if they've had a PCR test that's came back positive surely they should be isolating as they have the virus?

As for the vacinne status of the people I know who've got it all fully jabbed apart from the lad that went to hospital, I don't know whether he's had any or not.

People are allowed to go to work if they’re ill with anything else as long as it isn’t Covid, but can’t if they have it but no symptoms. If you can square that circle I’d like to hear it

 

[clint van damme]

People are allowed to go to work if they’re ill with anything else as long as it isn’t Covid, but can’t if they have it but no symptoms. If you can square that circle I’d like to hear it

To stop spreading it. When did a cold or flu ever do the damage this was doing?
And with a cold or flu the people who get it suffer pretty much the same symptoms, (a bit
Of a generalisation because older people candie from the flu), but this isfairly unpredictable.

There are currently try 16k children who have had long covid for over a year in this country, when did that happen with flu?

 

[clint van damme]

The issue is that the isolating is going to cause more damage than the actual virus.

150k people are going to die from isolating? OK Nick.
LikeI say, you want it to rip through society, not sure why you don't just come out and say it then we can agree to disagree.

 

[Nick]

150k people are going to die from isolating? OK Nick.
LikeI say, you want it to rip through society, not sure why you don't just come out and say it then we can agree to disagree.

Because omicron is completely different and isn't going to kill 150k people.

At what point do people realise that and get on with it? How many issues will it cause with hundreds of thousands at home with nothing wrong with them?

It literally is ripping through society every day anyway.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

To stop spreading it. When did a cold or flu ever do the damage this was doing?
And with a cold or flu the people who get it suffer pretty much the same symptoms, (a bit
Of a generalisation because older people candie from the flu), but this isfairly unpredictable.

There are currently try 16k children who have had long covid for over a year in this country, when did that happen with flu?

The flu killed over 20,000 people in 2018, despite vaccination.

 

[clint van damme]

Because omicron is completely different and isn't going to kill 150k people.

At what point do people realise that and get on with it? How many issues will it cause with hundreds of thousands at home with nothing wrong with them?

It literally is ripping through society every day anyway.

So you've finally come out with it, let it rip.
Absolutely reckless, no thanks. But you're entitled to your opinion.

 

[clint van damme]

The flu killed over 20,000 people in 2018, despite vaccination.

So one bad year in recent times and was still less than a 6th of what covid has done in under 2 years.

 

[Nick]

So you've finally come out with it, let it rip.
Absolutely reckless, no thanks. But you're entitled to your opinion.

How is it reckless? It's already ripping through and the biggest issues are people isolating when they would otherwise work.

As I said if you look at the bigger picture. The actual isolation rules are much more reckless and will cause much more damage than omicron itself.

 

[Nick]

So one bad year in recent times and was still less than a 6th of what covid has done in under 2 years.

Let's hide from it forever then even when it's hardly killing anybody.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So one bad year in recent times and was still less than a 6th of what covid has done in under 2 years.

We currently have 2 deaths per million people. Meanwhile workplaces all over the country have been told to plan for up to a quarter of staff being off. If you’re not ill you shouldn’t be isolating

 

[clint van damme]

We currently have 2 deaths per million people. Meanwhile workplaces all over the country have been told to plan for up to a quarter of staff being off. If you’re not ill you shouldn’t be isolating

I totally disagree. If you test positive you should be isolating in my view.
You're obviously another one advocating let rip.
I'm actually astonished by the lack of empathy by some on this forum.