fernandopartridge
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You've said it in other threads, now it effects you suddenly politics matters
You've said it in other threads, now it effects you suddenly politics mattersAnd? The Brexit one doesn't really have much of a point to it.
I haven't mentioned NHS staff welfare, just that the NHS will struggle due to so many isolating.
You've said it in other threads, now it effects you suddenly politics matters
What makes you say that? There are still plenty of policy levers to pull around the world and they’re having a positive impact on the number of people getting vaccinated, including the most vulnerable. For example, this chart of vaccinations for the over-70s in Hong Kong - see if you can spot when the new vaccine requirements came in!
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Went there in 2019, ridiculously expensive I found
If I´m honest, I don´t really understand the graph and what the dates are supposed to be. Are you saying the uptake increased in July last year?
Sure, every time people´s liberties are threatened, some will get the jab, but there is a hardcore (if you want to call it that) which have ´resisted´ so far. I wouldn´t be expecting them to suddenly rock up and get the jab two years in.
I really think the idea that the remaining unvaccinated people will get it is a lost cause, and whilst the ´fully vaccinated´ changes to one booster, and then to another, more and more people will not rock up and get it. I think when policies are implemented that needs to be taken into account. The percentage of people fully vaccinated will not get a lot higher than it is now.
Well it would if people were given no option of negative tests as an alternate we will soon see if Macron gets his way - as he puts it to Piss off the anti vaxxers so there liberty is severely restricted to the extent they can do very little
If I´m honest, I don´t really understand the graph and what the dates are supposed to be. Are you saying the uptake increased in July last year?
Sure, every time people´s liberties are threatened, some will get the jab, but there is a hardcore (if you want to call it that) which have ´resisted´ so far. I wouldn´t be expecting them to suddenly rock up and get the jab two years in.
I really think the idea that the remaining unvaccinated people will get it is a lost cause, and whilst the ´fully vaccinated´ changes to one booster, and then to another, more and more people will not rock up and get it. I think when policies are implemented that needs to be taken into account. The percentage of people fully vaccinated will not get a lot higher than it is now.
What makes you say that? There are still plenty of policy levers to pull around the world and they’re having a positive impact on the number of people getting vaccinated, including the most vulnerable. For example, this chart of vaccinations for the over-70s in Hong Kong - see if you can spot when the new vaccine requirements came in!
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It is a bold move from him.
The French are one of few western societies where they might rebel against it en-masse or with violence. They love a protest.
Will be interesting to see how that unravels.
Here’s another version of a similar chart:
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That’s a huge surge of old people deciding to get vaccinated in just the past week, after almost a year of holding out! All after the vaccine rules tightened up.
I’m not here to argue about whether vaccine requirements are designed to ‘threaten liberties’. But what is clear is that they can still jolt people - many of them vulnerable - into getting vaccinated, even after all this time. The idea that there aren’t more people left to persuade, or any more ways left to persuade them, doesn’t seem to be correct. We shouldn’t give up.
There is an alternative for people now. If negative testing was not valid I think people would surge to get the vaccine especially as it would restrict foreign travel and eating out etc.
I think the point is that if everybody is vaccinated the threat of our health services is a lot lower and we don't need to introduce other restrictions.How will that stop the spread of Omicron?
How will that stop the spread of Omicron?
Here’s another version of a similar chart:
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That’s a huge surge of old people deciding to get vaccinated in just the past week, after almost a year of holding out! All after the vaccine rules tightened up.
I’m not here to argue about whether vaccine requirements are designed to ‘threaten liberties’. But what is clear is that they can still jolt people - many of them vulnerable - into getting vaccinated, even after all this time. The idea that there aren’t more people left to persuade, or any more ways left to persuade them, doesn’t seem to be correct. We shouldn’t give up.
It scares the shit out of me that it's going to push more people towards Le Pen in April though.
I think the point is that if everybody is vaccinated the threat of our health services is a lot lower and we don't need to introduce other restrictions.
At the moment it's only the selfish pricks that are clogging up ICU stopping hospitals doing the rest of their jobs.
If we have 100% vaccination then it's a much easier case to say we can carry on as normal.
100% vaccination will never happen.
Bear with me on this one. But if unvaccinated people get jabbed, or if unboosted people get the booster, it lowers your chances of getting and spreading Omicron.
I do sort of respect Macron choosing violence here even though I normally think he's a prick.
It scares the shit out of me that it's going to push more people towards Le Pen in April though.
There would still be thousands of people isolating when they test positive. Hospitals are cancelling operations and stating that staff being off work is the reason rather than no ICU beds.
100% vaccination will never happen.
It's easier for Boris to start a war between vaccinated and unvaccinated though.
We could change the rules to stop positive tests isolating if everybody is vaccinated.There would still be thousands of people isolating when they test positive. Hospitals are cancelling operations and stating that staff being off work is the reason rather than no ICU beds.
100% vaccination will never happen.
It's easier for Boris to start a war between vaccinated and unvaccinated though.
We could change the rules to stop positive tests isolating if everybody is vaccinated.
How would that work? People would still be dying with it and going into hospital with it.
Bear with me on this one. But if unvaccinated people get jabbed, or if unboosted people get the booster, it lowers your chances of getting and spreading Omicron.
90% of ICU patients are not vaccinated
90% of ICU patients are not vaccinated
It was “pushed” as lowering your chances of catching it, and thereby spreading it. And it still does!
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It was “pushed” as lowering your chances of catching it, and thereby spreading it. And it still does!
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There is no question the vaccine has saved lives, in nearly all cases in older or vulnerable people however, but the transmission reduction has been massively underwhelming.
We are the most vaccinated we have ever been and it has still been spreading like wildfire with some of the highest number of cases ever.
Corrrr, it’s almost like there was a different, vaccine-evading variant on the loose…
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