Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (38 Viewers)

[Nick]

They are bothered about Covid as there’s as instant cure which wipes out 95% of the condition needing hospitalisation - so yes if morbidly obese people had a pill that prevents relate illnesses and 95% of them being hospitalised id moan at them as well

COVID has been going on for 2 years now. Hospitalisations could have been cut even before the vaccine came out.

So it goes back to the point about "is it really needed to throw 4 jabs into somebody otherwise perfectly young and healthy?".

Tracy, 57, 40 stone who smokes and drinks all day. Of course she will need it.

My issue has been "Do I really need 4 jabs and then one more every couple of months?" rather than "Does anybody need 4 jabs?"

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

The data shows clearly that vaccines have reduced the mortality rate significantly, by 90+%

Tsch, that's not real science.

 

[Esoterica]

The amount of hospital admissions for alcohol again in the uk isnt massive and it’s a totally unrelated issue to vaccines

1000 per day on average directly related to alcohol and 3500 per day on average where it's a broader cause e.g. cancer caused by long term heavy drinking. You don't think that's massive? It's 7.5% of all hospital admissions and the total admissions per year have risen by 60% in the last 10 years.

 

[jordan210]

Why we are talking figures. around 38-40% of Covid inpatients are not being treat Primarily for Covid. In London its slightly higher closer to 45%

 

[SBT]

COVID has been going on for 2 years now. Hospitalisations could have been cut even before the vaccine came out.

So it goes back to the point about "is it really needed to throw 4 jabs into somebody otherwise perfectly young and healthy?".

Tracy, 57, 40 stone who smokes and drinks all day. Of course she will need it.

My issue has been "Do I really need 4 jabs and then one more every couple of months?" rather than "Does anybody need 4 jabs?"

If it’s safe, affordable, easy and responsible to do so, why wouldn’t you get the jabs? What’s the benefit of sitting it out?

 

[Nick]

If it’s safe, affordable, easy and responsible to do so, why wouldn’t you get the jabs? What’s the benefit of sitting it out?

That doesn't explain why I actually need them all and then another one every couple of months, though?

I fully get it for the vulnerable.

 

[fernandopartridge]

1000 per day on average directly related to alcohol and 3500 per day on average where it's a broader cause e.g. cancer caused by long term heavy drinking. You don't think that's massive? It's 7.5% of all hospital admissions and the total admissions per year have risen by 60% in the last 10 years.

The underlying issue is poverty, everything else flows from that:

IMD Decile	FAEs	ONS population	Admissions per 100,000 population
Most deprived 10%	1,428,420	5,599,597	25,509
More deprived 10-20%	1,332,235	5,726,334	23,265
More deprived 20-30%	1,298,805	5,761,977	22,541
More deprived 30-40%	1,273,091	5,699,103	22,338
More deprived 40-50%	1,249,057	5,581,143	22,380
Less deprived 40-50%	1,241,714	5,574,827	22,274
Less deprived 30-40%	1,210,076	5,500,617	21,999
Less deprived 20-30%	1,188,916	5,464,378	21,758
Less deprived 10-20%	1,156,499	5,425,795	21,315
Least deprived 10%	1,086,141	5,285,659	20,549

 

[SBT]

That doesn't explain why I actually need them all and then another one every couple of months, though?

I fully get it for the vulnerable.

In purely medical terms, the benefit is that it reduces your risk of contracting Covid, and reduces your chance of serious symptoms if you contract it anyway. You may think the benefit to you is small, and you certainly appear to be in a low-risk category, but the benefit is there nevertheless. What’s the downside for you?

 

[Nick]

In purely medical terms, the benefit is that it reduces your risk of contracting Covid, and reduces your chance of serious symptoms if you contract it anyway. You may think the benefit to you is small, and you certainly appear to be in a low-risk category, but the benefit is there nevertheless. What’s the downside for you?

So again, it's about risks to me but if I don't get a booster I am selfish and going to kill people on trains and people's Grans? (obvious exaggeration)

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Obesity is a ticking time bomb though and will wreak havoc soon, it will absolutely decimate the NHS. Its something we've known for years that obesity not only effects quality of life short term, but has a detrimental effect long term with things like diabetes and cancers.

Granted its not the best of comparisons, but we've had 2 years of covid now and luckily we have a vaccine for those who wish/need to take it. But let's not brush under the carpet the plethora of issues being overweight and obese bring.

The real ticking time bomb is on antibiotic escape in my view but yes

Exercise for losing weight is a complete myth anyway. It works in the very short term and exercising does have many health benefits, but losing weight is not one of them. It is all about what you eat (and when you eat). If you're doing that right and still not losing weight then your body is missing something e.g, Iodine deficiency is a massive factor in the ability to lose weight and WHO estimates around 2 billion people are.

I’m at a point with it where I’ve lost faith anything I do will change matters to be honest. As I said though, for another day.

 

[Nick]

I’m at a point with it where I’ve lost faith anything I do will change matters to be honest. As I said though, for another day.

Probably best off spending the time encouraging each other to stop being fat fuckers rather than bickering about who's had a jab to be fair!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Probably best off spending the time encouraging each other to stop being fat fuckers rather than bickering about who's had a jab to be fair!

I hoped the energy spent ranting at a screen would have made a difference

 

[SBT]

So again, it's about risks to me but if I don't get a booster I am selfish and going to kill people on trains and people's Grans? (obvious exaggeration)

Well as I said, it’s responsible to take the vaccine for the sake of other people, but we can put that to one side, I’m talking solely about its impact on you.

The vaccine’s benefit to you may be small, but it’s a benefit nonetheless. It’s free, easily available, and completely safe, by any statistical measure. Never mind whether the benefits are huge or life-changing - what’s the downside of getting that benefit anyway?

 

[clint van damme]

The real ticking time bomb is on antibiotic escape in my view but yes


I’m at a point with it where I’ve lost faith anything I do will change matters to be honest. As I said though, for another day.

Cue someone quoting Trevor on Facebook saying antibiotic escape is a myth and posting a link to Gillian McKeith TV

 

[Nick]

Well as I said, it’s responsible to take the vaccine for the sake of other people, but we can put that to one side, I’m talking solely about its impact on you.

The vaccine’s benefit to you may be small, but it’s a benefit nonetheless. It’s free, easily available, and completely safe, by any statistical measure. Never mind whether the benefits are huge or life-changing - what’s the downside of getting that benefit anyway?

Why for the sake of other people then? Why does it make me selfish?

Yeah if I don't get the booster and I get COVID and end up in ICU I am taking up a bed that somebody else could have had. I get that.

If everybody else is going about their business with their 10 jabs and a Medical Mask surely they don't need to worry about what I'm doing?

 

[jordan210]

Well as I said, it’s responsible to take the vaccine for the sake of other people, but we can put that to one side, I’m talking solely about its impact on you.

The vaccine’s benefit to you may be small, but it’s a benefit nonetheless. It’s free, easily available, and completely safe, by any statistical measure. Never mind whether the benefits are huge or life-changing - what’s the downside of getting that benefit anyway?

Its not completely safe, No drug is. Hence why some have side effects. (I'm not vaccine bashing. as they do play a vital part)

As of 22 December 2021, for the UK, 150,517 Yellow Cards have been reported for the COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine, 240,803 have been reported for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 28,434 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 1,401 have been reported where the brand of the vaccine was not specified.

 

[Nick]

Its not completely safe, No drug is. Hence why some have side effects. (I'm not vaccine bashing. as they do play a vital part)

As of 22 December 2021, for the UK, 150,517 Yellow Cards have been reported for the COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine, 240,803 have been reported for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 28,434 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 1,401 have been reported where the brand of the vaccine was not specified.

Diving pricks.

 

[jordan210]

Diving pricks.

Looks like Moderna will win the FIFA fair play award this year

 

[SBT]

Why for the sake of other people then? Why does it make me selfish?

Yeah if I don't get the booster and I get COVID and end up in ICU I am taking up a bed that somebody else could have had. I get that.

If everybody else is going about their business with their 10 jabs and a Medical Mask surely they don't need to worry about what I'm doing?

Again, I’m not talking about you being selfish, or about your responsibility to others, I’m ONLY talking about its impact on you.

So one more time - given the vaccine carries a benefit to you if you take it - even if you believe it’s only a small one - what’s the downside for you taking advantage of it?

 

[Otis]

Obsessed with trains still?

Surely if triple jabbed and wearing a mask there's no worry about who else is on the train as you are fully protected anyway?

I have Covid. I am triple jabbed and have been travelling on trains a lot lately.

No such thing as fully protected, Nick.

I have been suffering now for 14 days. Persistent severe headache for 14 days, sore throat, zero energy, nerve pain, difficulty breathing. All I do now is sleep and take painkillers.

Thank God I have had the three jabs. It does give me a feeling of some sense of security, because who knows how bad I would have been without the vaccinations.

 

[SBT]

Its not completely safe, No drug is. Hence why some have side effects. (I'm not vaccine bashing. as they do play a vital part)

Why bring it up then? Are the symptom reports you’ve cited especially dangerous to the public compared to the other drugs we routinely take?

 

[Sick Boy]

I have Covid. I am triple jabbed and have been travelling on trains a lot lately.

No such thing as fully protected, Nick.

I have been suffering now for 14 days. Persistent severe headache for 24 days, sore throat, zero energy, nerve pain, difficulty breathing. All I do now is sleep and take painkillers.

Thank God I have had the three jabs. It does give me a feeling of some sense of security, because who knows how bad I would have been without the vaccinations.

Sorry to hear that, hope you’re better soon.

 

[Sick Boy]

If they’re mandating masks on transport then they really should be FFP2 ones.

 

[Nick]

Again, I’m not talking about you being selfish, or about your responsibility to others, I’m ONLY talking about its impact on you.

So one more time - given the vaccine carries a benefit to you if you take it - even if you believe it’s only a small one - what’s the downside for you taking advantage of it?

All you have said is that it may have a small chance of doing something. The flu vaccine would also have a slight benefit for me but I haven't had one.

Your answer is "You probably don't need it but it's free and easy so why not?"

If I was 45 stone and seeing the GP every week and boosted there wouldn't be so much outrage. Yet I'd still be more at risk than I am now of clogging up the NHS.

 

[Nick]

I have Covid. I am triple jabbed and have been travelling on trains a lot lately.

No such thing as fully protected, Nick.

I have been suffering now for 14 days. Persistent severe headache for 24 days, sore throat, zero energy, nerve pain, difficulty breathing. All I do now is sleep and take painkillers.

Thank God I have had the three jabs. It does give me a feeling of some sense of security, because who knows how bad I would have been without the vaccinations.

Hopefully you get well soon.

 

[jordan210]

Why bring it up then? Are the symptom reports you’ve cited especially dangerous to the public compared to the other drugs we routinely take?

You said its completely safe what's frankly untrue.

We dont routinely take 3 of the same vaccines a year. So I would guess you cant compare apples to oranges.

But we do know some people have had life threatening complications due to the vaccine. So its not completely safe as you said.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If they’re mandating masks on transport then they really should be FFP2 ones.

If that’s the case then they should be free, really don’t get why if it’s a cornerstone of strategy they aren’t universally available

 

[Nick]

If that’s the case then they should be free, really don’t get why if it’s a cornerstone of strategy they aren’t universally available

Maybe their contacts could only get paper ones

 

[Otis]

The data shows clearly that vaccines have reduced the mortality rate significantly, by 90+%

Should be the end of the argument.

 

[jordan210]

This is good news from a transparency point of view

 

[SBT]

All you have said is that it may have a small chance of doing something. The flu vaccine would also have a slight benefit for me but I haven't had one.

Your answer is "You probably don't need it but it's free and easy so why not?"

If I was 45 stone and seeing the GP every week and boosted there wouldn't be so much outrage. Yet I'd still be more at risk than I am now of clogging up the NHS.

It has a very high chance of doing something - immunity from the virus and prevention of nasty symptoms if you do catch it. The issue is that you don’t place much value on what it will (almost certainly) give you. That’s fine, and you’re right to point out that you won’t benefit like others would, but it doesn’t explain why you wouldn’t take the benefit anyway.

Unless there’s some other downside you’re worried about that you haven’t mentioned yet?

 

[SBT]

You said its completely safe what's frankly untrue.

We dont routinely take 3 of the same vaccines a year. So I would guess you cant compare apples to oranges.

But we do know some people have had life threatening complications due to the vaccine. So its not completely safe as you said.

Do you pipe up in the same way when people talk about taking aspirin, or going in for major surgery? You’re arguing semantics - the vaccine is extremely safe. Spreading your anxieties about its safety isn’t helping anyone.

 

[Nick]

It has a very high chance of doing something - immunity from the virus and prevention of nasty symptoms if you do catch it. The issue is that you don’t place much value on what it will (almost certainly) give you. That’s fine, and you’re right to point out that you won’t benefit like others would, but it doesn’t explain why you wouldn’t take the benefit anyway.

Unless there’s some other downside you’re worried about that you haven’t mentioned yet?

It obviously doesn't give a high chance of immunity though, does it? If anything even on here there are people get their booster and then end up with COVID the next week (a fair few of my mates too).

Yep it might take the risk of being hospitalised from it down and death but if those chances are already very small anyway.

So if I get the booster today, it turns out Omicron is just mild and dies out a bit. Shall I then run to get the 4th as well in February? Then the 5th? Then the 6th?

This my point, people are happy to shout about some people being unvaccinated or boosted (I say some because obviously it makes more of an impact for some than others) and how selfish they are. Yet if you then turn it to somebody who is massively obese who is much more likely to be at risk, people don't want to know.

I'm not saying on here as I have no idea who's who but there is some irony in really obese people shouting about others (who potentially don't need it themselves) being selfish for not getting the vaccine.

 

[Sick Boy]

If that’s the case then they should be free, really don’t get why if it’s a cornerstone of strategy they aren’t universally available

They’re about 0.50cent over here

 

[Nick]

2 in 5 NHS staff now off for COVID reasons now. Madness.