They are bothered about Covid as there’s as instant cure which wipes out 95% of the condition needing hospitalisation - so yes if morbidly obese people had a pill that prevents relate illnesses and 95% of them being hospitalised id moan at them as well
Tsch, that's not real science.The data shows clearly that vaccines have reduced the mortality rate significantly, by 90+%
1000 per day on average directly related to alcohol and 3500 per day on average where it's a broader cause e.g. cancer caused by long term heavy drinking. You don't think that's massive? It's 7.5% of all hospital admissions and the total admissions per year have risen by 60% in the last 10 years.The amount of hospital admissions for alcohol again in the uk isnt massive and it’s a totally unrelated issue to vaccines
COVID has been going on for 2 years now. Hospitalisations could have been cut even before the vaccine came out.
So it goes back to the point about "is it really needed to throw 4 jabs into somebody otherwise perfectly young and healthy?".
Tracy, 57, 40 stone who smokes and drinks all day. Of course she will need it.
My issue has been "Do I really need 4 jabs and then one more every couple of months?" rather than "Does anybody need 4 jabs?"
If it’s safe, affordable, easy and responsible to do so, why wouldn’t you get the jabs? What’s the benefit of sitting it out?
1000 per day on average directly related to alcohol and 3500 per day on average where it's a broader cause e.g. cancer caused by long term heavy drinking. You don't think that's massive? It's 7.5% of all hospital admissions and the total admissions per year have risen by 60% in the last 10 years.
| IMD Decile | FAEs | ONS population | Admissions per 100,000 population |
| Most deprived 10% | 1,428,420 | 5,599,597 | 25,509 |
| More deprived 10-20% | 1,332,235 | 5,726,334 | 23,265 |
| More deprived 20-30% | 1,298,805 | 5,761,977 | 22,541 |
| More deprived 30-40% | 1,273,091 | 5,699,103 | 22,338 |
| More deprived 40-50% | 1,249,057 | 5,581,143 | 22,380 |
| Less deprived 40-50% | 1,241,714 | 5,574,827 | 22,274 |
| Less deprived 30-40% | 1,210,076 | 5,500,617 | 21,999 |
| Less deprived 20-30% | 1,188,916 | 5,464,378 | 21,758 |
| Less deprived 10-20% | 1,156,499 | 5,425,795 | 21,315 |
| Least deprived 10% | 1,086,141 | 5,285,659 | 20,549 |
That doesn't explain why I actually need them all and then another one every couple of months, though?
I fully get it for the vulnerable.
In purely medical terms, the benefit is that it reduces your risk of contracting Covid, and reduces your chance of serious symptoms if you contract it anyway. You may think the benefit to you is small, and you certainly appear to be in a low-risk category, but the benefit is there nevertheless. What’s the downside for you?
Obesity is a ticking time bomb though and will wreak havoc soon, it will absolutely decimate the NHS. Its something we've known for years that obesity not only effects quality of life short term, but has a detrimental effect long term with things like diabetes and cancers.
Granted its not the best of comparisons, but we've had 2 years of covid now and luckily we have a vaccine for those who wish/need to take it. But let's not brush under the carpet the plethora of issues being overweight and obese bring.
Exercise for losing weight is a complete myth anyway. It works in the very short term and exercising does have many health benefits, but losing weight is not one of them. It is all about what you eat (and when you eat). If you're doing that right and still not losing weight then your body is missing something e.g, Iodine deficiency is a massive factor in the ability to lose weight and WHO estimates around 2 billion people are.
I’m at a point with it where I’ve lost faith anything I do will change matters to be honest. As I said though, for another day.
Probably best off spending the time encouraging each other to stop being fat fuckers rather than bickering about who's had a jab to be fair!
So again, it's about risks to me but if I don't get a booster I am selfish and going to kill people on trains and people's Grans? (obvious exaggeration)
The real ticking time bomb is on antibiotic escape in my view but yes
I’m at a point with it where I’ve lost faith anything I do will change matters to be honest. As I said though, for another day.
Well as I said, it’s responsible to take the vaccine for the sake of other people, but we can put that to one side, I’m talking solely about its impact on you.
The vaccine’s benefit to you may be small, but it’s a benefit nonetheless. It’s free, easily available, and completely safe, by any statistical measure. Never mind whether the benefits are huge or life-changing - what’s the downside of getting that benefit anyway?
Well as I said, it’s responsible to take the vaccine for the sake of other people, but we can put that to one side, I’m talking solely about its impact on you.
The vaccine’s benefit to you may be small, but it’s a benefit nonetheless. It’s free, easily available, and completely safe, by any statistical measure. Never mind whether the benefits are huge or life-changing - what’s the downside of getting that benefit anyway?
Its not completely safe, No drug is. Hence why some have side effects. (I'm not vaccine bashing. as they do play a vital part)
As of 22 December 2021, for the UK, 150,517 Yellow Cards have been reported for the COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine, 240,803 have been reported for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 28,434 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 1,401 have been reported where the brand of the vaccine was not specified.
Diving pricks.
Why for the sake of other people then? Why does it make me selfish?
Yeah if I don't get the booster and I get COVID and end up in ICU I am taking up a bed that somebody else could have had. I get that.
If everybody else is going about their business with their 10 jabs and a Medical Mask surely they don't need to worry about what I'm doing?
I have Covid. I am triple jabbed and have been travelling on trains a lot lately.Obsessed with trains still?
Surely if triple jabbed and wearing a mask there's no worry about who else is on the train as you are fully protected anyway?
Its not completely safe, No drug is. Hence why some have side effects. (I'm not vaccine bashing. as they do play a vital part)
Sorry to hear that, hope you’re better soon.I have Covid. I am triple jabbed and have been travelling on trains a lot lately.
No such thing as fully protected, Nick.
I have been suffering now for 14 days. Persistent severe headache for 24 days, sore throat, zero energy, nerve pain, difficulty breathing. All I do now is sleep and take painkillers.
Thank God I have had the three jabs. It does give me a feeling of some sense of security, because who knows how bad I would have been without the vaccinations.
Again, I’m not talking about you being selfish, or about your responsibility to others, I’m ONLY talking about its impact on you.
So one more time - given the vaccine carries a benefit to you if you take it - even if you believe it’s only a small one - what’s the downside for you taking advantage of it?
I have Covid. I am triple jabbed and have been travelling on trains a lot lately.
No such thing as fully protected, Nick.
I have been suffering now for 14 days. Persistent severe headache for 24 days, sore throat, zero energy, nerve pain, difficulty breathing. All I do now is sleep and take painkillers.
Thank God I have had the three jabs. It does give me a feeling of some sense of security, because who knows how bad I would have been without the vaccinations.
Why bring it up then? Are the symptom reports you’ve cited especially dangerous to the public compared to the other drugs we routinely take?
If they’re mandating masks on transport then they really should be FFP2 ones.
If that’s the case then they should be free, really don’t get why if it’s a cornerstone of strategy they aren’t universally available
Should be the end of the argument.The data shows clearly that vaccines have reduced the mortality rate significantly, by 90+%
All you have said is that it may have a small chance of doing something. The flu vaccine would also have a slight benefit for me but I haven't had one.
Your answer is "You probably don't need it but it's free and easy so why not?"
If I was 45 stone and seeing the GP every week and boosted there wouldn't be so much outrage. Yet I'd still be more at risk than I am now of clogging up the NHS.
You said its completely safe what's frankly untrue.
We dont routinely take 3 of the same vaccines a year. So I would guess you cant compare apples to oranges.
But we do know some people have had life threatening complications due to the vaccine. So its not completely safe as you said.
It has a very high chance of doing something - immunity from the virus and prevention of nasty symptoms if you do catch it. The issue is that you don’t place much value on what it will (almost certainly) give you. That’s fine, and you’re right to point out that you won’t benefit like others would, but it doesn’t explain why you wouldn’t take the benefit anyway.
Unless there’s some other downside you’re worried about that you haven’t mentioned yet?
They’re about 0.50cent over hereIf that’s the case then they should be free, really don’t get why if it’s a cornerstone of strategy they aren’t universally available
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