Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.
Yet many healthcare workers and community members say the policy is not only ill-advised, it’s potentially dangerous.
“The situation just feels so hopeless,” said Erin McIntosh, a rapid-response nurse at Riverside Community Hospital. “I went into healthcare wanting to help people, but now I’m the vector. Someone is coming to me in their time of need, and I could potentially be passing them COVID."
My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.The announcement was met with outrage by many in the healthcare industry.
The decision is “irresponsible and a huge mistake that will jeopardize everyone’s health,” said Rosanna Mendez, executive director of SEIU 121RN, a union representing workers in Southern California. “This plan is unscientific and dangerous, and, given what we know about the transmissibility of the new variant, we believe it will put healthcare workers and patients at unnecessary risk.”
Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.
My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
It should be troubling to everyone, if vulnerable patients can't be safe in a hospital where can they, i hope your Dad gets better soon.Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.
My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
Best wishes to your DadNot really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.
My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
Bat shit
So sorry to hear thatNot really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.
My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.
My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.
My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
Really sorry to hear that CD. This varient is so transmissible, it was be potentially catastrophic to send in known covid positive health workers to care for already vulnerable and poorly patients.Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.
My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
Not really surprised by the response, its seems a very bizarre idea.
My Dad went into UHCW on Christmas Day. After nearly 2 years of following advice for the vulnerable and not leaving the house he now has covid and its not looking good. The idea that someone in a similar position to him could be given covid from a hospital worker who has been told to work while knowing they are infectious is very troubling to me.
Firstly, Fingers crossed for your Dad Chiefdave....Really hope he gets through it all OK.
Regarding the asymptomatic positive healthcare workers gonig in to work.....its not clear cut as far as I'm concerned.
Sure, its very far from ideal, but so is trying to run a healthcare system under immense pressure when many staff are sat at home, feeling A-OK but unable to help.
I mentioned a couple weeks ago that a mate of my Mrs. who works frontline NHS was suggesting the same as they need the staff back as their absence is making the situation more dangerous in many ways....
Defo stuck between a rock & a hard place, but anyone writing it off as crazy doesn't grasp the seriousness of the situation caused by chronic understaffing.
Is the situation ideal? No,” said Dr. Robert-Kim Farley, an epidemiologist and infectious-diseases expert at the UCLA Fielding School of Public Health. “Is it the lesser of the two evils of having no one to care for patients, versus having staff caring for them that may have COVID? Yes, it’s the lesser of two evils.”
Of course the whole point in restrictions was to introduce less Covid into the NHS, meaning it functioned better. We seem to have abandoned the NHS just atm...Agree the absences may cause more issues than Covid (Omicron) to most patients but there’s an option inbetween that hasn’t been explored yet which is reducing self isolation further but you require two negative tests before release.
Agree the absences may cause more issues than Covid (Omicron) to most patients but there’s an option inbetween that hasn’t been explored yet which is reducing self isolation further but you require two negative tests before release.
Good news about being 5 days. Should help a lot of the staff shortages.
UK used 'propagandistic' tactics to scare public to follow Covid rules
Writing in the magazine Unherd today, behavioural scientist Simon Ruda he said fear was initially used to boost public compliance during the first UK lockdown but had been carried through the crisis.www.dailymail.co.uk
The RCN has asked to be exempt from the 5 days isolation rule but what do they know, eh?
There was a doctor on the news saying if you get a positive LFT its very accurate but a negative LFT is only about 50% accurate. Also mentioned there's a recent study from the US into Omicron which shows you're likely to be infectious longer than with previous variants.In a roundabout way then they must be saying that LFs aren’t accurate enough and/or people can still transmit after testing negative ?!
There was a doctor on the news saying if you get a positive LFT its very accurate but a negative LFT is only about 50% accurate. Also mentioned there's a recent study from the US into Omicron which shows you're likely to be infectious longer than with previous variants.
50/50 in hospitals isn’t good. Surely they could suggest hospital workers coming out of isolation need pcr after Day 5
The last point is what the virologist just on the radio said can indeed happen. I couldn't tell you if his was the consensus or not, however.In a roundabout way then they must be saying that LFs aren’t accurate enough and/or people can still transmit after testing negative ?!
Capacity to get results, I'd suppose. PCR results on hospital are still coming back 24 hours later.50/50 in hospitals isn’t good. Surely they could suggest hospital workers coming out of isolation need pcr after Day 5
Capacity to get results, I'd suppose. PCR results on hospital are still coming back 24 hours later.
And again! A&E this time.And rinse and repeat. Actually, this time we were allowed to bypass A&E and go direct to the ward. Of course, all I could do was sit in a corridor and wait for my Dad before taking him home, where he'll be spending Christmas without his wife for the first time in over 50 years. At least this time I could hold my Mum's hand at home for half an hour, tell her I love her... and pray I get to see her again. I have a present on the stairs from my Mum and I don't know if I can open it, it upsets me too much. At least she got to see me married last year, even if it could only be both sets of parents there. Not what I wanted but, if I'd left it for this year, she'd have never been able to travel.
So, for those who want to tell me that I want to be scared, those who bang on in surety about the fact that we need no restrictions, those who bang on about people dying with, not of Omicron, I want you to consider this...
The policy has always been to protect the NHS. The transmissability of it can overtake any protection that is there if it does turn out to be milder. That is why people are analysing data, rather than just concluding it automatically. That is entirely right and proper.
Deaths are not the sole thing, it's capacity in the health system - capacity to help people like my Mum and to keep her safe, not to make her a statistic that well, she's old anyway. Not, for that matter, to keep her occupying a bed that could be needed for somebody else, because we didn't take measures to protect from complications.
This time last year, a friend's Dad had a fall. He would have recovered from that, but he caught Covid in hospital, died. This year, my friend has Christmas without his Dad around for the first time. He doesn't really care about semantics, what he does know is that without Covid his Dad would still be here.
Wearing a mask, taking a LFT doesn't actually stop you from doing anything. It's incredibly stupid to not try and slow the spread of something before you know what you're dealing with. One lesson we should have learned from March 2020, and 'look at Italy' type posts at the beginning of this thread. I fear I was guilty of that, too. We are in so much a better place than this time last yar, and it would be madness to throw that away on a whim. Better to be cautious, and then celebrate the fact that there is light at the end of a tunnel. Frankly, masks and wfh shouldn't have been taken away in the first place, it makes them so much harder to put back, and they are no big deal really.
So, think of mental health in all ways. My Christmas is trashed, completely. I can't go and see my Mum because they can't let Covid spread to people like her, where vaccine or no, it would have a damned good chance of taking her out before they get a chance to try and save her. Of course, we all hope this variant is actually not *too* bad, that it can blow through fast and then things can start to lift up a little. But, life is not just about me or you... a civilised society looks out for one another, a civilised society learns from the past, a civilised society is prepared to sacrifice a little for the greater good and, again, as it stands what does wearing a mask, taking a LFT actually stop you from doing?
A civilised society listens to the medical experts. Now that is critical thinking... not just looking for the ones that vindicate what you want to happen. We all want our 'old' lives back, it's been hard for all of us. But to get to that point, we have to trust in the consensus of medical experts, and actually show some critical thinking to not try and go down random rabbit holes.
And most of all, remember that you don't know anybody's situation on here, we can all be suffering.
Should I leave this post up, really? I don't like personal posts, really. But, this thread, and board, is getting so full of gung-ho attitudes that are understandable, maybe, because who wants to be restricted. They're not necessarily helpful, however. This thread and board is also getting a prevelance of rather destructive posts that are downright wrong, and damaging, really.
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