Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (19 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

Just waiting for the next variant

Grow up.

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

Just waiting for the next variant

You are acting like just a bit of a cretinous tosser...

 

[Nick]

You are acting like just a bit of a cretinous tosser...

Oh give it a rest you little gimp.

Did you think of that one all by yourself? Well done.

 

[Evo1883]

Il be honest , the first couple days I did think to myself , I wonder how I'd be feeling if I was 80 , because I felt like death and I'm 37 ... the headache will not be forgotten either

 

[skybluetony176]

Just waiting for the next variant

You need to get a hobby.

 

[hill83]

Il be honest , the first couple days I did think to myself , I wonder how I'd be feeling if I was 80 , because I felt like death and I'm 37 ... the headache will not be forgotten either

Just a cold m8

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Il be honest , the first couple days I did think to myself , I wonder how I'd be feeling if I was 80 , because I felt like death and I'm 37 ... the headache will not be forgotten either

Glad you're coming through it mind. Also worth asking how you'd be feeling if you'd had no vaccine, too...

 

[Otis]

I still have a really bad headache. Not as bad as it was a few days ago, but this is now about 17 or 18 days constant. It's really debilitating.

 

[Sick Boy]

One thing to keep in mind is that Omicron hasn’t actually evolved from the other 2 variants, which is why it’s not going to be treated an endemic for quite a while yet.

 

[Nick]

Hope the IKEA Boycott means I can get round there quicker and double meatballs next time I need to go.

 

[Evo1883]

Hope the IKEA Boycott means I can get round there quicker and double meatballs next time I need to go.

To be fair since it left coventry its not a place I think to use anyway

 

[Nick]

To be fair since it left coventry its not a place I think to use anyway

It's not as ideal but when I moved I did a couple of trips to Birmingham. #doubleboycott

 

[chiefdave]

Hope the IKEA Boycott means I can get round there quicker and double meatballs next time I need to go.

Did laugh that the anti-vaxxers response to Ikea not wanting unvaccinated people in its stores is to start a boycott

 

[Nick]

The thing is with that, from how it reads it looks as if they only aren't paying if it's from CONTACT isolation rather than actually having it.

I can see their point as people will just be off work but not actually ill.

However it is just going to mean people don't report they have been in contact and go in anyway.

 

[chiefdave]

The thing is with that, from how it reads it looks as if they only aren't paying if it's from CONTACT isolation rather than actually having it.

I can see their point as people will just be off work but not actually ill.

However it is just going to mean people don't report they have been in contact and go in anyway.

I seem to recall a lot of push back on Ikea a couple of years back when they tried to cut sick pay. Suspect the reality is that this is a way of them starting to push that change through but blame it on covid and the unvaccinated.

 

[Nick]

blame it on covid and the unvaccinated.

Easy tactic, it's the new Brexit.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Hospitalisations got nowhere near last winters wave.

Deaths have stayed Low for a year now.

When are we going to change the status of disease from pandemic, to endemic?

Pretty much about now

 

[Marty]

I seem to recall a lot of push back on Ikea a couple of years back when they tried to cut sick pay. Suspect the reality is that this is a way of them starting to push that change through but blame it on covid and the unvaccinated.

Agree, it's a slippery slope on the road to erosion of employee rights.

 

[Frostie]

Pretty much about now

The politicians definition of endemic rather than the actual scientific one of course.

 

[Nick]

The politicians definition of endemic rather than the actual scientific one of course.

Isn't it only an endemic when people decide it's an endemic?

 

[chiefdave]

Isn't it only an endemic when people decide it's an endemic?

Doesn't the situation in other countries come into play before its declared endemic? Don't think it gets downgraded just based on what is or isn't happening in the UK.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Isn't it only an endemic when people decide it's an endemic?

Endemic is a formal term used when talking about a certain disease

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Endemic is a formal term used when talking about a certain disease

endemic meaning - Google Search

 

[Frostie]

For it to be an endemic it needs to exist at a predictable level. Constant fluctuations & spikes like we're getting currently mean we're nowhere near that yet as much as some MPs want you to believe.

 

[Nick]

For it to be an endemic it needs to exist at a predictable level

This is my point, it depends who makes the predictions.

 

[clint van damme]

This is my point, it depends who makes the predictions.

It's not a prediction, endemic is a pre defined term based on certain conditions. Someone has just posted the definition.

 

[SBT]

I think we're all just desperate for someone to come on TV and declare the whole thing is over - I'm definitely guilty of letting myself get excited that way about 'Freedom Day' etc. Reality is that there isn't going to be that one moment where we declare victory over COVID.

 

[Nick]

It's not a prediction, endemic is a pre defined term based on certain conditions. Someone has just posted the definition.

Dr Peter English, former Public Health England consultant in communicable disease control, adds that several accepted definitions "include a requirement for the disease rate being predictable".

"If that is a key part of the definition, we are very definitely not in endemic phase," he says.

"We know that more variants are arising and will continue to arise. We know the ones that become significant will either be more infectious or better able to evade immunity from previous infection or vaccination.

"There is also no guarantee they won't be more virulent, which means we cannot predict when the next variant or next wave of infection will hit us - or how severely it will affect us."

Most of it does seem to say it needs to be "predictable".

So it does rely on the predictions.

 

[Frostie]

Most of it does seem to say it needs to be "predictable".

So it does rely on the predictions.

By "predictable" they mean stays at a fairly constant baseline level.

i.e. Not this.

 

[jordan210]

By "predictable" they mean stays at a fairly constant baseline level.

i.e. Not this.

View attachment 23466

What if we use this one. Whats more important than cases

 

[Frostie]

What if we use this one. Whats more important than casesView attachment 23467

Well no because it specifically refers to transmission rates.

Even still it shows huge peaks & troughs, literally the opposite of what you would find in an endemic.

 

[David O'Day]

Epidemic, Endemic, Pandemic: What are the Differences?

Learn about the differences between epidemic, endemic, and pandemic diseases. Discover their global health impacts and preventive measures.

www.publichealth.columbia.edu

The difference between a Pandemic and an Epidemic.

 

[clint van damme]

Most of it does seem to say it needs to be "predictable".

So it does rely on the predictions.

Yes, but you can't say covid will be 10k year so its now endemic.
It actually has to achieve that like chicken pox.
We're a long way from covid being as predictable as chicken pox.

The case graphs, the hospitalisation graphs look like roller coaster.

The good thing is things are so much better than last year.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The good thing is things are so much better than last year.

Indeed.

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s likely to be something like 2024 by the time it’s declared endemic, IMO.