Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (335 Viewers)

[Philosoraptor]

I had just got myself well enough to start work again after major health issues and then this thing comes out.

Oh well. One of them,

 

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[djr8369]

This is what has been sent
GOV.UK CORONAVIRUS ALERT
New rules in force now: you must stay at home. More info & exemptions at gov.uk/coronavirus Stay at home. Protect the NHS. Save lives.

Unless you fancy going to work in which case crack on.


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[Grendel]

Seems daft not to. I don't get that at all.

I think the belief is it won’t really achieve anything as there is no cure and nothing that advance knowledge will actually help if it’s a family member already in isolation

 

[Astute]

I think the belief is it won’t really achieve anything as there is no cure and nothing that advance knowledge will actually help if it’s a family member already in isolation

Belief?

Should test everyone who has come into contact with someone who has the virus. Then they can make sure they keep away from everyone for as long as is needed. It is too late once they are showing symptoms themself.

 

[Grendel]

Not just that. If the economy tanks completely and we end up in another Great Depression then a load of people are going to die on top. I’m sure the haggling is about how we can keep deaths from the virus and from the economic impacts at a minimum. If it turns out full lockdown for 2 years is the only way of stopping it but that would kill 2 million (random figures obviously) then virus is not the worst of things.

Correct and I see none of the western countries have a solution to this with their varying strategies of King Canute isolation

 

[Grendel]

Belief?

Should test everyone who has come into contact with someone who has the virus. Then they can make sure they keep away from everyone for as long as is needed. It is too late once they are showing symptoms themself.

The spouse already has to keep away from everyone for 14 days anyway under the current rules so testing her doesn’t change anything

 

[wingy]

Didn't quite emulated them! Building up to that one.
Seems I'm going to have plenty of opportunity!
Good old British weather, sun comes out as everyone goes on lockdown (ish).

Be interested to know if that's related to lack of vapour trails .
Seem to remember similar after 911.

 

[Astute]

The spouse already has to keep away from everyone for 14 days anyway under the current rules so testing her doesn’t change anything

I didn't say spouse though. Everyone who has come into contact. Good chance some don't even know.

 

[shmmeee]

Belief?

Should test everyone who has come into contact with someone who has the virus. Then they can make sure they keep away from everyone for as long as is needed. It is too late once they are showing symptoms themself.

Youd assume anyone who is aware enough to get tested is aware enough to self isolate TBF. I’d rather save the tests for NHS staff right now and ultimately build up stockpiles so when we hit the next wave we can do proper contact tracing and public testing this time.

 

[fernandopartridge]

There's definitely questions that need to be answered when this is all over. Hopefully it won't just be a shrug of the shoulders and 'nothing we could do'.

Seen this floating around on twitter today:
https://chpi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/CHPI-report-GettingBehindCurve-Dec-2013.pdf
It's a report from the Centre for Health and Public Interest assessing how the changes to the NHS made as part of the 2012 Health and Social Care Act impact its ability to respond to a pandemic. Doesn't make good reading for the government.

Don't think 'we couldn't have predicted this' or anything like that is going to be enough.

It is self evident in that they had to let NHS England take over the functions of CCGs immediately

 

[clint van damme]

Be interested to know if that's related to lack of vapour trails .
Seem to remember similar after 911.

they've had blues skies in Wuhan and clear canals in Venice which are rarities apparently so you never know. It's amazing what can happen when humans stop polluting shit.

 

[Grendel]

I didn't say spouse though. Everyone who has come into contact. Good chance some don't even know.

The conversation was about testing his wife?

 

[Astute]

Youd assume anyone who is aware enough to get tested is aware enough to self isolate TBF. I’d rather save the tests for NHS staff right now and ultimately build up stockpiles so when we hit the next wave we can do proper contact tracing and public testing this time.

As I said above everyone might not be aware.

 

[Astute]

The conversation was about testing his wife?

Was it?

 

[shmmeee]

Correct and I see none of the western countries have a solution to this with their varying strategies of King Canute isolation

What’s your figure? How much GDP loss is a life worth do you reckon? You seem to think you’ve got the number.

 

[Grendel]

What’s your figure? How much GDP loss is a life worth do you reckon? You seem to think you’ve got the number.

There is nothing I’ve seen in any strategy that’s actually going to eliminate the virus at all. All medical healthcare systems all under the world let people die on economic grounds anyway. It does happen. What I cannot see is an endgame. This virus isn’t going away and never will be fully eliminated - if I get it and the outcome is I die I die but my children need a future that’s worth actually living for

 

[ccfc92]

Older people would rather die than let Covid-19 harm US economy – Texas official

Just seen a similar thing on Twitter from radio Solent, will post if I get the chance.

 

[wingy]

I had just got myself well enough to start work again after major health issues and then this thing comes out.

Oh well. One of them,

Sorry to hear that PLSRPR.

 

[itsabuzzard]

He needs to fuck off back to his unreadable football shite pronto

Leave his superb graphs out of this please.

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[cc84cov]

There is nothing I’ve seen in any strategy that’s actually going to eliminate the virus at all. All medical healthcare systems all under the world let people die on economic grounds anyway. It does happen. What I cannot see is an endgame. This virus isn’t going away and never will be fully eliminated - if I get it and the outcome is I die I die but my children need a future that’s worth actually living for

Yep I agree don’t see how this virus just goes away even with a vaccine they need people to have it

 

[Grendel]

Yep I agree don’t see how this virus just goes away even with a vaccine they need people to have it

I get the need to spread healthcare systems to a manageable period but I actually think people believe it will just vanish

 

[cc84cov]

I get the need to spread healthcare systems to a manageable period but I actually think people believe it will just vanish

I don’t either it’s not going away they will have huge numbers who won’t have a vaccine,worrying times

 

[cc84cov]

My pal is telling me China is loosening up their lockdown tomorrow ?

Just read it will be lifted tonight 12am

 

[ccfc92]

Just seen a similar thing on Twitter from radio Solent, will post if I get the chance.

Arrogant cretin.

 

[wingy]

I get the need to spread healthcare systems to a manageable period but I actually think people believe it will just vanish

It may weaken just to survive .

 

[cc84cov]

It may weaken just to survive .

Seems that’s what’s happened in China very positive their lifting the lockdown tonight

I’m thinking we’re 3 months behind China so possibly June we could see it more normal

 

[steve cooper]

Convenient. By that logic no politician should ever be held accountable as they always have expert advice.

I think the government has handled the whole thing incredibly badly but I wouldn't have wanted the job they have had to do. I am an engineer by profession, (retired 20 years ago) and I know that you have to work to codes and standards written by the experts in the various fields. If you have followed the codes and some major incident happens, you are usually in the clear because everything would be based on best practice and best available techniques (BAT ironically). If you ignore those and things go wrong you are in major trouble. Thats all I am saying.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Arrogant cretin.

"Media will not play"- what is he saying?

 

[Johhny Blue]

Anybody else had a text saying to stay in?

No idea how they got my number!!

You're on "THE LIST"

 

[djr8369]

There is nothing I’ve seen in any strategy that’s actually going to eliminate the virus at all. All medical healthcare systems all under the world let people die on economic grounds anyway. It does happen. What I cannot see is an endgame. This virus isn’t going away and never will be fully eliminated - if I get it and the outcome is I die I die but my children need a future that’s worth actually living for

There was an article I shared from BBC today saying no country has an exit strategy. It’s wait for natural herd immunity to develop (which it might not) or a vaccine, or adapt to this new situation of limited social contact and working from home.


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[Ring Of Steel]

My pal is telling me China is loosening up their lockdown tomorrow ?

Just read it will be lifted tonight 12am

Our version of "lifted" and the Chinese interpretation are very likely to be pretty different...

 

[shmmeee]

I think the government has handled the whole thing incredibly badly but I wouldn't have wanted the job they have had to do. I am an engineer by profession, (retired 20 years ago) and I know that you have to work to codes and standards written by the experts in the various fields. If you have followed the codes and some major incident happens, you are usually in the clear because everything would be based on best practice and best available techniques (BAT ironically). If you ignore those and things go wrong you are in major trouble. Thats all I am saying.

All I’ll say is there’s a reason Engineering degrees are BSc and Politics are BA.

 

[shmmeee]

"Media will not play"- what is he saying?

She. Posh old woman who doesn’t see what all the fuss is about, has lived her life and her and her mate in their 70s will happily die rather than be stopped going out.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

There was an article I shared from BBC today saying no country has an exit strategy. It’s wait for natural herd immunity to develop (which it might not) or a vaccine, or adapt to this new situation of limited social contact and working from home.


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Which makes sense- I don't think anyone can blame any government for not knowing what will happen months down the line, the issue is that they didn't act with common sense in the first place to get us to this position.

In the UK- I would bet that if you took any 100 people from any walk of life and armed them with the same facts and knowledge as the govt had & asked them what to do, we would have done what we did do a week earlier and not pissed around with social science & experiments.

 

[Grendel]

I think the government has handled the whole thing incredibly badly but I wouldn't have wanted the job they have had to do. I am an engineer by profession, (retired 20 years ago) and I know that you have to work to codes and standards written by the experts in the various fields. If you have followed the codes and some major incident happens, you are usually in the clear because everything would be based on best practice and best available techniques (BAT ironically). If you ignore those and things go wrong you are in major trouble. Thats all I am saying.

We haven’t done anything different to any other European country