Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (88 Viewers)

[CCFC88]

No

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Im out

 

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[steve cooper]

It's far easier for the FL to get this season to a conclusion, however long it takes, than to void this season and start a new one later in the year. I don't see any logic in voiding a season. They will work out how to manage next season at the appropriate time IMO and conclude this one as per the schedule. Nothing else makes sense.

 

[Nick]

What about the Championship? Think of the money on the line for the teams being promoted then.

If they start fucking about so far into the season then I can see lots of clubs kicking off. If decisions by the FL and Government end up fucking us over then I hope we take them to the cleaners.

 

[Gibbo]

That is just not true, italy couldn't get a handle on where the virus was entering from meaning they couldn't contain the spread. The first confirmed cases were on the same day in the uk and italy.

Also the leaking of the plan to lock down Lombardy was spread it around the country faster than normal.

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The numbers tell a different story, but hey, who needs facts
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESshSpfWAAECPLR?format=png&name=small

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

The numbers tell a different story, but hey, who needs facts
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESshSpfWAAECPLR?format=png&name=small

Its not rising much in Japan

 

[Gibbo]

5. It hasn't finished, the rate of spread has slowed but after they've taken the sort of measures idiot Johnson would describe as 'draconian'

If the Premier of China visits Wuhan, you can be pretty sure it's virtually finished. It is declining absolutely in China, not just the rate of spread

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I don't see how you could just void the league.

Think of the money, contracts and legal what would happen. Would team have to give back TV and sponsorship money for unplayed games.

Would the FA/EFL refund all its sponsors and TV companies

Players put on automatic 1 year extensions. Players give back bonuses.

Easiest way would be to come up with some sort of decision using data from the last x amount of games and current positions. But like this

League One Predictions

Wow so same chance of Tranmere being relegated as us winning the league

 

[Gibbo]

Its not rising much in Japan

As I said in the first post, Japan is a curious outlier, given that they have a very elderly population. But it is academic and clutching at straws - all European countries would to be on an almost identical path. - except the very steep Italian kick off as well

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

As I said in the first post, Japan is a curious outlier, given that they have a very elderly population. But it is academic and clutching at straws - all European countries would to be on an almost identical path. - except the very steep Italian kick off as well

This is why im baffled as to why so many people have it in Italy compared to everywhere else in Europe?

 

[Nick]

This is why im baffled as to why so many people have it in Italy compared to everywhere else in Europe?

More people from China?

 

[Gibbo]

I'm still going.

To be honest, if they are still going to school and everything there's always a chance they will be exposed to it.

Am I Imagining it or was there a thing back in the day where if somebody had chicken pox then people all took their kids round to get them to catch it early on?

It is a curiosity of this virus that unlike its predecessors it does not have a U shaped distribution curve that is the norm. In those cases the deaths and disease are at either end of the age spectrum - the young and the old. This virus appears to kill only the elderly. The clue is "underlying medical conditions" if you have diabetes the chance of dying goes from <1% to over 10% (bugger). If you are elderly, you are more likely to have conditions.

Given how this virus spreads, an open air stadium is probably one of the least contagious of public places. I'd keep away from public transport myself

 

[David O'Day]

The numbers tell a different story, but hey, who needs facts
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESshSpfWAAECPLR?format=png&name=small

That's an extrapolation which doesn't seem to account for choices made. Please supply the actual data or stop posting of of context graphs.

Who needs facts? You it seems

#bodied

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[skybluesam66]

Watching something on tv the other evening, and suggesting Corona virus in itself is not too bad - It is when it reacts with other viruses and bacteria - which is why the elderly tend to be suffering more
Depending on the prevelance of those viruses/bacteria depends both on the severity within an individual, but can also explain why some countries (China/Iran/Italy) are at the moment suffering worse , while others (Japan / Continent of Africa) may not be
I guess it is identifying what is not common in Japan that is within the other nations mentioned

 

[shmmeee]

As I said in the first post, Japan is a curious outlier, given that they have a very elderly population. But it is academic and clutching at straws - all European countries would to be on an almost identical path. - except the very steep Italian kick off as well

I’m hoping the Japan thing is down to a love of video games and kinky porn, in which case I’m bulletproof.

 

[Gibbo]

An extended season is the likely solution. All other options risk legal action. But games would be 2 a week I guess.

The virus seems to to take 8 weeks from kick off to being past its peak (this is why the Govt has delayed taking some actions - it wants to fit the action to time of most risk. It has known all along that a compete prevention was impossible).

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

An extended season is the likely solution. All other options risk legal action. But games would be 2 a week I guess.

The virus seems to to take 8 weeks from kick off to being past its peak (this is why the Govt has delayed taking some actions - it wants to fit the action to time of most risk. It has known all along that a compete prevention was impossible).

So after 8 weeks it should decline? Interesting you say that because China now has it under control and is declaring some 'victory'

 

[David O'Day]

Data

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[Gibbo]

This is why im baffled as to why so many people have it in Italy compared to everywhere else in Europe?

Italy too has a very elderly population. It appears that there was incompetence in not spotting it right at the start (I was in northern Italy 22-29 Feb). The Italian outbreak is not focused on the big urban centres, which is counter intuitive, nor is it in France where there is a hotspot just north of Paris

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-by-april-chinese-officials-say/

 

[chiefdave]

Data

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

 

[tisza]

This is why im baffled as to why so many people have it in Italy compared to everywhere else in Europe?

track down Sickboy (unfortunate username in the circumstances) on here he lives there

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

track down Sickboy (unfortunate username in the circumstances) on here he lives there

@Sick Boy ??

 

[Sick Boy]

@Sick Boy ??

Much higher levels of testing compared to other European countries and higher elderly population. I think in the UK they only test if you have been to a country with high levels of the virus, whereas they have been much more liberal with who and when they test them.
Both Milan and Venice are incredibly popular tourist destinations - they are in Lomardia and Veneto respectively.
It has only been taken seriously by the population since Monday.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Much higher levels of testing compared to other European countries and higher elderly population.
Both Milan and Venice are incredibly popular tourist destinations - they are in Lomardia and Veneto respectively.
It has only been taken seriously by the population since Monday.

can you see the new measures having an effect?

 

[Sick Boy]

can you see the new measures having an effect?

I think it is too early to tell but I think it will help improve the siutation. In Lomardia (where Milan is) even during the lockdown there last weekend a lot of people went skiing in a small area, despite them not being supposed to.
Now I am in a lockdown area you can tell the difference, it is much, much quieter and people are now (finally) actually taking it seriously.
The country has a very high elderly population too.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I think it is too early to tell but I think it will help improve the siutation. In Lomardia (where Milan is) even during the lockdown there last weekend a lot of people went skiing in a small area, despite them not being supposed to.
Now I am in a lockdown area you can tell the difference, it is much, much quieter and people are now (finally) actually taking it seriously.
The country has a very high elderly population too.

Will be interesting to see how the UK looks as we are apparently 2 weeks behind Italy, can't see there being anywhere near as many cases personally

 

[Grendel]

Germany has a similar number of elderly to Italy yet has a far far lower number of fatalities

 

[Sick Boy]

I think the mindset here is very different to the UK, for example, where rules and regulations by the state are seen by many as optional and something to try and getaround, now though it is being taken seriously by most people and businesses.

 

[Sick Boy]

Will be interesting to see how the UK looks as we are apparently 2 weeks behind Italy, can't see there being anywhere near as many cases personally

The testing criteria seems to be very different - there is a chance that there are many who are ill and not been tested.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

The testing criteria seems to be very different - there is a chance that there are many who are ill and not been tested.

Exactly and this relates to people having it and fully recovering from it almost as if it was a mild cold or mild flu..... mad to think really how many people that will be

 

[shmmeee]

Much higher levels of testing compared to other European countries and higher elderly population. I think in the UK they only test if you have been to a country with high levels of the virus, whereas they have been much more liberal with who and when they test them.
Both Milan and Venice are incredibly popular tourist destinations - they are in Lomardia and Veneto respectively.
It has only been taken seriously by the population since Monday.

Interesting you say about testing. I’ve had a cough and some shortness of breath since yesterday so did the 111 coronavirus thing and it basically only asks two questions if you’ve got the symptoms: have you been to a hotspot and have you had sustained contact with a confirmed case. You’d imagine if the answer to either was yes I’d already be self isolated. I’d have thought they’d be testing people with symptoms but clearly not.

 

[Sick Boy]

Interesting you say about testing. I’ve had a cough and some shortness of breath since yesterday so did the 111 coronavirus thing and it basically only asks two questions if you’ve got the symptoms: have you been to a hotspot and have you had sustained contact with a confirmed case. You’d imagine if the answer to either was yes I’d already be self isolated. I’d have thought they’d be testing people with symptoms but clearly not.

Exactly, here they will test you.
The hospital that my girlfriend works in has setup an outside area for people to get tested, it seems if you go to the hospital they will test you.

 

[Grendel]

Exactly, here they will test you.
The hospital that my girlfriend works in has setup an outside area for people to get tested, it seems if you go to the hospital they will test you.

It’s a bit of a stretch to say they have the best resting in the whole of Europe

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s a bit of a stretch to say they have the best resting in the whole of Europe

Not sure i have said they have 'the best testing' - which i presume is what you meant.
Will see how it develops in other countries, hopefully there won't be the same issues.