Surely any contract you're in for a project will have a force majeure provision so you can claim relief?
Definitely. There's a difference between getting behind measures to help (I'm behind all of them) and unquestionable support to the extent that those in power go unchallenged. And lack of competition is a dangerous thing. Tories like to bang on about how competition and the market can achieve an efficient outcome. They also apply that to public services - schools, the NHS etc. But funnily enough, they won't apply it to their own thinking and policies - such policies are considered to be out of discussion. Fair enough that Labour were woeful and could not garner enough support to mount any kind of credible opposition for now. But worryingly, I fear that the majority still fall into the groupthink category of unquestionably getting behind government actions - we've seen it in both the UK and the US since probably around 2010, and I'm not convinced that this lack of critical thinking is going to stop any time soon.
Thanks Wingy. Will give them a try.Have you tried Iceland .
I've got one coming tomorrow.
My daughter set it up but I don't know if she's put me in a vulnerable category or not .
You might find an early to mid evening visit preferable .
Aldi Cannon park only had around 10 in at 5 ish last night .
I know you are Portsmouth way.
It’s absolutely remarkable isn’t it? Legacy Systems are failing and being replaced. Things there were no money for are having billions thrown at them. Suddenly nearly everyone can work from home rather than commuting to an office and it turns out most jobs aren’t needed and the people on the lowest rungs of society are “key workers”.
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Brown? The sidekick of Bliar. The one who was the brain behind the smile.Jury's out on Brown but I'd say out of the 4 before Johnson he's the least bad
The fall-out from this and there will be one will be huge it is clear the bulk of the “key” workers are the lowest paid even in the NHS, my daughter who works in a pharmacy is paid just over minimum pay, her boss has five cars ?? I can see a future when these “key” workers will unite and become a huge powerful group. The Tory proposed minimum wage will be redundant they will have to substantially overall a lot of their traditional policies.Care workers are valued for the role they do but they are not rewarded. That’s the way it is. They have not had a fair pay rise in 12 years or so.
Some I know are emotionally torn. They have been redeployed into environments that do exactly what we are all told not to do. Gathering with people they do not know and uncertain about their futures. Some are on unpaid leave. They could be taking the virus into the vulnerable homes or carrying it out with their own. For this reason I hear bewilderment that they are being asked to do this. Yet Coventry seems to be doing well at the moment.
It would be great if we knew whether we had the virus.
And then there is the NHS.
The numpties who are gathering in groups will are likely to calling on health services at some point. Hopefully it is not with the virus. Hospitals are the last place to be at the moment.
The pay in the public sector is well unbalanced. Those at the top are on too much considering those at the bottom are not on anywhere near enough. But that is the same in most sectors in the private sector. You get your decent companies. But they are a rarity. Some of us are lucky but most of us are not. You spend most of your working life struggling but if you reach a decent level it is after you really need the extra money when bringing up a family.The fall-out from this and there will be one will be huge it is clear the bulk of the “key” workers are the lowest paid even in the NHS, my daughter who works in a pharmacy is paid just over minimum pay, her boss has five cars ?? I can see a future when these “key” workers will unite and become a huge powerful group. The Tory proposed minimum wage will be redundant they will have to substantially overall a lot of their traditional policies.
Totally agree
but I would also add
Blair and Brown before that as failures - not sure you can disagree
so not sure which way is the way to go
Mark Robins for PM
And I agree with your assessment of previous Labour Governments, who can argue ? BUT the voting public recently massively rejected the Corbyn alternative, although admittedly too complicated manifesto. Corbyn proposed to give the pension stolen from the Waspi women back, rejected, they proposed a fixed retirement age of 66, rejected, proposed a revamped social care system for all, rejected, huge increase in NHS support and rejection of the private practices in it, rejected, shall I go on.Brown? The sidekick of Bliar. The one who was the brain behind the smile.
The one who decimated our private and public pensions. They speeded up privatisation of the NHS. They took us to war on a lie. People are still dying because of it. They continued where the previous Tory government had left off. They were Tories in disguise. Or how about when we retire? The Labour Government passed a new law in 2007 to raise state pension age to 66 between April 2024 and April 2026, then to 67 between April 2034 and April 2036 and to 68 between April 2044 and April 2046.
I was Labour whatever happened until Bliar and Brown got in. Just like you and many others on here still are. The same people who seem to get off on defending 'New Labour' are the same ones that always attack the Tories.
If this is not the case can someone name the last decent Labour government? They are as bad as each other.
Brown? The sidekick of Bliar. The one who was the brain behind the smile.
The one who decimated our private and public pensions. They speeded up privatisation of the NHS. They took us to war on a lie. People are still dying because of it. They continued where the previous Tory government had left off. They were Tories in disguise. Or how about when we retire? The Labour Government passed a new law in 2007 to raise state pension age to 66 between April 2024 and April 2026, then to 67 between April 2034 and April 2036 and to 68 between April 2044 and April 2046.
I was Labour whatever happened until Bliar and Brown got in. Just like you and many others on here still are. The same people who seem to get off on defending 'New Labour' are the same ones that always attack the Tories.
If this is not the case can someone name the last decent Labour government? They are as bad as each other.
Labour took over a very healthy economy.I’m no Blairite, but Blair led us to a decade of sustained growth and rebuilt the public services that had been destroyed by underfunding. I’m not sure some people realise what a state education and health in particular were.
Brown basically eliminated child and pensioner poverty and lead the world response to the GFC saving thousands of jobs. Between them they virtually eliminated homelessness as well. And brought in the NMW and wrote off third world debt. And ran more surpluses than any Tory government.
Not sure you can compare them to Cameron, May and Boris who between them have managed to just divide the country and make it poorer while underfunding public services and raising poverty and homelessness.
On reflection they all fucked us over. As has been mentioned there should be a realignment of the way we are governed but with so much debt accrued by this situation it will only get worse IMO.Labour took over a very healthy economy.
And this is what I am saying. Bliar and Brown constantly get defended. Ignore the bad but push the good.
You would have a field day if it was the Tories that decimated private pensions, made us work longer, escalated privatisation of the NHS and took us to war on a lie which is still costing lives.
America has moved to the right over the last few decades but it wasn't always like this.
The New Deal was probably one of the most left wing policies they have ever had for the era.
The jury is still out though if it worked or not. The American economy was on the edge of struggling after the change from the trickle down economics previously used.
The Second World War came just in time for their economy to be the driving force to continue full employment for that time.
Yes go on.And I agree with your assessment of previous Labour Governments, who can argue ? BUT the voting public recently massively rejected the Corbyn alternative, although admittedly too complicated manifesto. Corbyn proposed to give the pension stolen from the Waspi women back, rejected, they proposed a fixed retirement age of 66, rejected, proposed a revamped social care system for all, rejected, huge increase in NHS support and rejection of the private practices in it, rejected, shall I go on.
If he thinks they weren't totally shit, he's going to say why if you say they were. That doesn't make them constantly defended.Labour took over a very healthy economy.
And this is what I am saying. Bliar and Brown constantly get defended. Ignore the bad but push the good.
You would have a field day if it was the Tories that decimated private pensions, made us work longer, escalated privatisation of the NHS and took us to war on a lie which is still costing lives.
Labour took over a very healthy economy.
And this is what I am saying. Bliar and Brown constantly get defended. Ignore the bad but push the good.
You would have a field day if it was the Tories that decimated private pensions, made us work longer, escalated privatisation of the NHS and took us to war on a lie which is still costing lives.
he looks like he’s had a really bad facelift?
Labour took over a very healthy economy.
And this is what I am saying. Bliar and Brown constantly get defended. Ignore the bad but push the good.
You would have a field day if it was the Tories that decimated private pensions, made us work longer, escalated privatisation of the NHS and took us to war on a lie which is still costing lives.
I didn't say he wasn't the best out of anything or anyone.I don’t know where you get the idea I always vote Labour. I didn’t vote for them in 2015 and only did so with a very heavy heart in 2019. I work in the public sector and so in a two party system they are pretty much my only option to not get screwed over.
Gordon Brown for his faults, and he has many, was in my view better than the other 3. That doesn’t make him a messiah
I didn't say he wasn't the best out of anything or anyone.
Was trying to put a bit of balance into the discussion of the Tories being at fault for everything.
The older someone is the more likely that they vote Tory. Why is this?
I will never vote Tory. They are always miles from my ideals. But I have reached a stage in life where I need a reason to vote Labour.
Pumping 50 billion and running costs of countless millions each year wasn't a vote winner for me. Then the numbers didn't match. All experts in the field said it would take much longer to implement than we were told. Didn't give you much faith in everything else on offer. They even wanted to spend countless billions taking train services back. Anyone with a brain would just wait for the present contracts to end.
But yeah what was on offer was great.
They'll stand and applaud yet have voted in a decade of governments that have eroded the NHSYesterday we witnessed in one moment the change in our future lives when millions and it was millions stood outside applauding our NHS, I dare our current Government after this crisis is over to go anywhere near back to the neglect they have imposed in the last 10 years, including social care.
Keep an eye on this thread. You will see plenty argue.And I agree with your assessment of previous Labour Governments, who can argue ? BUT the voting public recently massively rejected the Corbyn alternative, although admittedly too complicated manifesto.
We're ramping it up here.
Lockdown (but still some anomalies). Only those over 65 allowed in shops, pharmacies etc between 9 and 12 o'clock. Not allowed outside those times.
But apparently haircuts and manicures considered essential activities!!
It is worth pointing out that they did that on the foundations laid by Majors government. It was widely reported at the time that the 1997 GE was the most important GE in a lifetime as the economic outlook at the time was so good that whoever won the election was basically guaranteed 2 terms.I’m no Blairite, but Blair led us to a decade of sustained growth
Exactly.On reflection they all fucked us over. As has been mentioned there should be a realignment of the way we are governed but with so much debt accrued by this situation it will only get worse IMO.
Boris is in the strongest position of any prime Minister since Blair and is relatively bulletproof.
The Major government was still massively underfunding the NHS, 24 hours to save the NHS and all thatIt is worth pointing out that they did that on the foundations laid by Majors government. It was widely reported at the time that the 1997 GE was the most important GE in a lifetime as the economic outlook at the time was so good that whoever won the election was basically guaranteed 2 terms.
Granted I'll agree that Boris' hesitancy to act in implementing draconian measures sooner will inevitably cost lives but to solely blame him for pushing herd immunity is questionable to say the least. Surely the blame for that ridiculous battle plan against the virus should be against Patrick Vallace? Realistically it's not in Boris' remit to oppose scientific advise as he's no more qualified to do that than you or I. To suggest otherwise IMO just highlights people's bias against him.
We celebrated the NHS at the opening of the London Olympics to a rapturous applause. Just before the Tory government raped the NHS of funds. It will happen again under this government, they don’t give a fuck.Yesterday we witnessed in one moment the change in our future lives when millions and it was millions stood outside applauding our NHS, I dare our current Government after this crisis is over to go anywhere near back to the neglect they have imposed in the last 10 years, including social care.
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