Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (3 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Grenners you must grasp that mostly does not mean all?

Dawn Butler has a couple in fact a quarter of the shadow cabinet (as was) David

 

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[David O'Day]

To be fair Emily Thornberry doesn’t have 2 homes - she has 3

Once again you seem to think mostly is the same as all

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

don’t know too many specifics but pretty much everywhere is awash with first hand accounts of how bad it is. I assume we’re now saying they’re all lying as well. I know one nurse in Cov and she says it’s pretty bad and scary, as it would be, but also that they are getting by at the moment, no overload yet and they expect the toughest times to come in a week or two. It’s emerging that doctors are overruling people who don’t tick “DNR” so as to avoid overloading the system in the days to come, which is fairly worrying if you’re one of the ones affected or over a certain age.

Being reported that the Nightingale Hospital- that the NHS is being charged rent at £1-2m per week by the Abu Dhabi owners, no idea if that was public knowledge but seems a bit... ‘off’ if true. As is Jacob Rees’ Mogg’s company (think he owns 15%) touting for business saying the opportunities for outstanding returns is amazing. That is true, but disaster capitalism unfortunately looks like it knows no boundaries of decency.

2-3 million a month apparently whereas the American owned NEC are giving it free

 

[Ring Of Steel]

But as we know (as I’ve attached this previously) it wasn’t the governments plan to ‘take it on the chin’

Here is the transcript of what Boris Johnson said on This Morning about the new coronavirus

This was from 5 March, 10-14 days prior to implementation of social distancing measures ie saying they would take measures to flatten the peak rather that just let everyone get it.

From my understanding, what most commentators appear to be missing (or ignoring) is that the herd immunity theory is still there as a potential underlying longer term benefit of flattening the curve ie you try to minimise the pressure on NHS via lockdowns (which will have to continue until a vaccine is found or antibody tests potentially allow some kind of immunity certificate), gradually more of the population will get it, hopefully without us breaching NHS capacity (although this is unlikely in the next week or two), so with time you have a chance of building herd immunity.

obviously that is very much a last resort as we hope the vaccine will be with us before then or the virus just disappears (the latter being very unlikely unfortunately)

ps the more accurate questions are...1) did the government believe they could do this without implementing strict measures and 2) whether the government implemented the distancing measures soon enough to ensure NHS capacity isn’t breached (which also ties into expansion of capacity and ventilator orders)

I’m not trying to be pedantic but there’s a difference with how some people frame the above

no there isn’t, the advisors, experts, “nudge unit” all explicitly stated that herd immunity was the policy. Boris was just being his usual flippant and stupid self so can’t read too much into that (and it’s an indication of how shit he is when you have to ignore what the PM says), however herd immunity was the official policy, that can’t be denied. Then they realised it was wrong so did the U turn, and if they’d have said “we need to change this” then ok, fair enough, everyone is in uncharted waters- but they didn’t, they lied repeatedly.

 

[David O'Day]

Dawn Butler has a couple in fact a quarter of the shadow cabinet (as was) David

Once again why do you seem to think mostly means all? Even you aren't this stupid

 

[David O'Day]

Except it did. Pretty much my first interaction on this forum and it was with you... lucky me hey

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More lies

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Vallance was still talking about herd immunity after that

Some might argue that their actions suggest they still are.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

About 3 years ago a good mate of mine got a very serious chest infection that hospitalised him. It wasn’t as serious that he needed a ventilator but it did spread to his respiratory track putting him on oxygen for a week. It took him best part of a year to fully recover and even then it was only because he went on a complete lifestyle change both losing weight, cutting down on alcohol and taking regular light exercise. He was told that because he’d had an infection in his respiratory tract he’d most likely be susceptible to them again in the future. Anyone of any age who gets this to a seriousness that they’re going to have to be put on a respirator can expect it to possibly have consequences for the rest of their life.

Yep, well be seeing the fallout of this for years to come due to the increased susceptibility of those that had it, esp severe cases, picking up secondary infections in future.

Worst case is this virus mutates enough for re-infection to be more likely. Spread quickly but not have the ability to fight it off the second time.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I do think a vaccine will be found more quickly than that, but probably would not ready to administer globally until next year.

It's okay talking of culling the old and the infirm, unless of course you are old or infirm.

Clutching at straws but as more people recover and will have the anti-bodies in their system the more potential raw material we have to create a vaccine.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

2-3 million a month apparently whereas the American owned NEC are giving it free

That was cleared up- it wasn’t “rent”, it was “contribution to running costs”, and the second it was leaked they were shamed into scrapping all charges.

 

[Otis]

Oh tom, 2nd home ownership and voting intentions kid. Google it

Now prove there what you claim or give your mum her laptop back

He can't. Social distancing, remember.

 

[Grendel]

Once again why do you seem to think mostly means all? Even you aren't this stupid

Well it’s a sweeping statement David and as your socialist chums all think it’s a good idea if they can afford it

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Clutching at straws but as more people recover and will have the anti-bodies in their system the more potential raw material we have to create a vaccine.

yes definitely, you’re right. When there is a vaccine then we can start to get serious about herd immunity and try to get some people back out to kick start the economy- it was sheer madness in the beginning though.

 

[RegTheDonk]

Except you made two points. And couldn’t they just use a statutory instrument?

The policy I believe is to encourage people to comply and reluctantly issue fixed penalty tickets if you don't. The law allows them to use reasonable force to make you go home.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

And there was someone else famous too but the name escape me, hang on,..

Here we go- confirmed 'Coronavirus = 5G = Mind control = Kill the elderly':

Amir Khan
Amanda Holden
Calum Best
Woody Harrelson
Jason Gardiner (Dancing on Ice apparently, had to google him)
Lee Ryan

What a distinguished group that is

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Yep, well be seeing the fallout of this for years to come due to the increased susceptibility of those that had it, esp severe cases, picking up secondary infections in future.

Worst case is this virus mutates enough for re-infection to be more likely. Spread quickly but not have the ability to fight it off the second time.

The whole world will have to learn to be able to go full lockdown almost overnight from now on. First case was when- Dec 28th I think, we are so interconnected that’s it took the bones of 3 months to close countries off- being interconnected is a wonderful thing but from now on in the mechanism is going to have to be there to shut everything instantly, going from 3 mths to say 1 week saves thousands of lives. Clearly health systems around the world will also have to adapt- I’m not sure this will “never go away” but the world is going to have to change to deal with it, because it will happen again.

One thing all human history has taught is that “decadence always comes before a fall”, and instead of being obsessed with creating systems for accumulating wealth, things, stuff, obsessed with political parties etc, the world now has to create systems to protect the species adequately, at the moment we are sadly lacking.

edit- create systems that protect the environment too, we have spent years essentially creating a giant coffin for us all, that has to change pronto.

 

[Grendel]

well I’m certainly no expert on Contagions ‘but from what I can make out we are probably
facing 3 stark choices.

1, we isolate totally until a credible vaccine is found, could take years.

2, we live as normal accepting the fact it’s basically a cull of the old and infirm + some
unfortunate others until a credible vaccine is found, could take years.

3, A mix of the two, with occasional lockdown’s as and when needed to relieve pressure on medical needs and equipment, until a credible vaccine is found, could take years.

I think we’ll kick off with No3 in an attempt to keep the economy ‘and life as we know it’ going with some semblance of normality, before moving on to No2 when reality tells us No3 is unsustainable.

All economies are tanking to levels of slowdown not seen in a century. It’s impossible for the economy not to resume until a vaccine is found as most people won’t have a life to then return to.

 

[David O'Day]

Well it’s a sweeping statement David and as your socialist chums all think it’s a good idea if they can afford it

I still didn't say all so you've once again fucked it up.

 

[David O'Day]

We live in different parts of the country so I could post it back to her maybe?

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The basement is in the same house tom

 

[fernandopartridge]

Was she not appointed by Sturgeon? That would be my first clue.

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The post is apolitical

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

The policy I believe is to encourage people to comply and reluctantly issue fixed penalty tickets if you don't. The law allows them to use reasonable force to make you go home.

Shmmeee is right though any Act can use statutory instruments to amend the original Act

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The whole world will have to learn to be able to go full lockdown almost overnight from now on. First case was when- Dec 28th I think, we are so interconnected that’s it took the bones of 3 months to close countries off- being interconnected is a wonderful thing but from now on in the mechanism is going to have to be there to shut everything instantly, going from 3 mths to say 1 week saves thousands of lives. Clearly health systems around the world will also have to adapt- I’m not sure this will “never go away” but the world is going to have to change to deal with it, because it will happen again.

You're probably right but there is a danger with that.

Shutting down in that short time frame means having to increasingly become self-sufficient in terms of food/power etc. While I've no issue with that on the whole it does give an 'in' to increasingly rampant nationalism, fear of foreigners and potential for an increase in the far-right.

Plus if everyone 'owns' bits of everyone else's economies via trade agreements etc the chance for conflict is reduced because people would be harming their own interests. Safest house on a street is the one the burglar lives in. If we start bringing more stuff in house then that deterrent for others is reduced. That is absolutely worst case scenario but it needs consideration.

 

[clint van damme]

This one is for you David

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Snipping tool is your freind

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You're probably right but there is a danger with that.

Shutting down in that short time frame means having to increasingly become self-sufficient in terms of food/power etc. While I've no issue with that on the whole it does give an 'in' to increasingly rampant nationalism, fear of foreigners and potential for an increase in the far-right.

Plus if everyone 'owns' bits of everyone else's economies via trade agreements etc the chance for conflict is reduced because people would be harming their own interests. Safest house on a street is the one the burglar lives in. If we start bringing more stuff in house then that deterrent for others is reduced. That is absolutely worst case scenario but it needs consideration.

self sufficiency is an interesting one- was thinking about this. ‘Conspiracy theories’, people laugh but to me that means not instantly trusting what certain people tell you and doing the right thing yourself. It’s not the govt who have helped try to control this thing, they’ve cocked everything up, it’s us, we’re the ones inside, our leaders have failed us. We all have to be self sufficient, right from maybe not spending all your cash on stuff & things but having some set aside, not blindly accepting everything, not busily destroying the environment and having some common sense. Conspiracy theories aren’t about smashing up phone masts, it’s just about really asking whether what you’re being told is true and being sensible enough to do the smart thing. Politics has become a complete cult and they all lie, you’d have to be a complete simpleton right just accept what they tell you, that is a very different thing from thinking that the pigeons were being turned into drone robots.

even re-reading that I’m aware I’m not explaining clearly, I’m hung over, hopefully you get my drift... I guess I mean it’s on us to protect the way we live, the environment etc, the people up above only want to accumulate wealth and power, as we see now they are helpless to protect their own people.

 

[Grendel]

self sufficiency is an interesting one- was thinking about this. ‘Conspiracy theories’, people laugh but to me that means not instantly trusting what certain people tell you and doing the right thing yourself. It’s not the govt who have helped try to control this thing, they’ve cocked everything up, it’s us, we’re the ones inside, our leaders have failed us. We all have to be self sufficient, right from maybe not spending all your cash on stuff & things but having some set aside, not blindly accepting everything, not busily destroying the environment and having some common sense. Conspiracy theories aren’t about smashing up phone masts, it’s just about really asking whether what you’re being told is true and being sensible enough to do the smart thing. Politics has become a complete cult and they all lie, you’d have to be a complete simpleton right just accept what they tell you, that is a very different thing from thinking that the pigeons were being turned into drone robots.

even re-reading that I’m aware I’m not explaining clearly, I’m hung over, hopefully you get my drift...

Which is fascinating given the government is now telling people whet your do and pretty much everyone is obeying the rules whereas when people were given some advice and not rules the advice was ignored

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Which is fascinating given the government is now telling people whet your do and pretty much everyone is obeying the rules whereas when people were given some advice and not rules the advice was ignored

All of which has proven beyond doubt that they don’t know how to protect people, they have changed their minds with the wind. People aren’t indoors because Hancock said so, they’re inside because they don’t want to end up on a ventilator and they have seen what is happening.

 

[clint van damme]

self sufficiency is an interesting one- was thinking about this. ‘Conspiracy theories’, people laugh but to me that means not instantly trusting what certain people tell you and doing the right thing yourself. It’s not the govt who have helped try to control this thing, they’ve cocked everything up, it’s us, we’re the ones inside, our leaders have failed us. We all have to be self sufficient, right from maybe not spending all your cash on stuff & things but having some set aside, not blindly accepting everything, not busily destroying the environment and having some common sense. Conspiracy theories aren’t about smashing up phone masts, it’s just about really asking whether what you’re being told is true and being sensible enough to do the smart thing. Politics has become a complete cult and they all lie, you’d have to be a complete simpleton right just accept what they tell you, that is a very different thing from thinking that the pigeons were being turned into drone robots.

even re-reading that I’m aware I’m not explaining clearly, I’m hung over, hopefully you get my drift...

Goves we've had enough of experts statement has validated all sorts of fuckwittery. He's given licence to people to spread and believe a whole raft of ill conceived nonsense.

 

[David O'Day]

Snipping tool is your freind

Context as well. At that stage look man had played in the premier league etc.

So yes he was a better player then.

Tom's fucked it yet again

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[Grendel]

All of which has proven beyond doubt that they don’t know how to protect people, they have changed their minds with the wind. People aren’t indoors because Hancock said so, they’re inside because they don’t want to end up on a ventilator and they have seen what is happening.

No it proves nothing of the sort - it proves that governments can remove what were sacred liberties and people will accept them and fall in line - they are exactly doing as Hancock tells them - if restrictions were removed yesterday and it was advisory beaches would be packed

 

[David O'Day]

This one is for you David

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Bless you have lied again.

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[MalcSB]

Haven’t the really low interest rates in savings combined with low interest rate mortgages deterred people from saving?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Goves we've had enough of experts statement has validated all sorts of fuckwittery. He's given licence to people to spread and believe a whole raft of ill conceived nonsense.

yes exactly- the only people we can rely on in situations like these are ourselves, the political/ leadership systems simply cannot deal with these things, they are designed around ruling & economies as opposed to maintaining life. It’s a shift from the cold Darwinism we see now to... I don’t know, I don’t have the answers- but the way the world is set up now will just keep killing millions of it doesn’t incorporate some kind of focus on humanity & the environment a bit more.

 

[David O'Day]

Admit it, you've made yourself look a mug. Again.

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Why when you've clearly been lying and have just been caught out.



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[David O'Day]

David 344446 Tom -1

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[David O'Day]

Tom do you want some sudocrem for that burn?

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