Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (20 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Minimal risk according to WHO

Do they have transmission data to verify that?

 

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[RegTheDonk]

Do they have transmission data to verify that?

On a serious note, I'd be interested in that.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

On a serious note, I'd be interested in that.

As would I because if there is proof that children’s transmission rates are vastly lower than adults then I have much less opposition to coming in.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

So much is riding on this oxford vaccine, will have 30 million doses ready by September if it works! Think we’ll know by July if it works

 

[Grendel]

Do they have transmission data to verify that?

well one would assume so as the chief science officer on the Marr show said transmission is much lower from children

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

well one would assume so as the chief science officer on the Marr show said transmission is much lower from children

Really because I saw the same thing and it seemed to be that not enough evidence existed to make that conclusion definitively

 

[skybluetony176]

So much is riding on this oxford vaccine, will have 30 million doses ready by September if it works! Think we’ll know by July if it works

Seems that the government are doing a Trump and overplaying it. Did The Oxford Covid Vaccine Work In Monkeys? Not Really

 

[skybluetony176]

Minimal risk according to WHO

That’s not even remotely close to what they’ve said regarding children passing Covid 19 on.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The WHO confirmed there is minimal risk to school children - the wood from the trees is getting clearer albeit via muddy messaging. A vaccine and a cure are going to be years away - this has to be acknowledged on a global basis and then a risk management approach taken.

Fine. Where is the comprehensive testing and tracing infrastructure we need?

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[skybluetony176]

That’s it, point scoring over a vaccine....you are an idiot

It’s almost as if you don’t want the vaccine to work so you can boast about it to ya pals on here

The government overplays the development of a vaccine that is yet to be have proven once to work in monkeys, you’re buying it hook line and sinker and I’m the idiot. I’ve even provided you a link to an article that explains the data. On what basis are you taking the word of the government. They’ve given you headlines that you want to hear and that’s enough for you. Wake up.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

The government overplays the development of a vaccine that is yet to be have proven once to work in monkeys, you’re buying it hook line and sinker and I’m the idiot. I’ve even provided you a link to an article that explains the data. On what basis are you taking the word of the government. They’ve given you headlines that you want to hear and that’s enough for you. Wake up.

You are deluded

 

[skybluetony176]

well one would assume so as the chief science officer on the Marr show said transmission is much lower from children

Did he produce the data? Has the government produced this data? Has any government produced this data?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You are deluded

The data released shows it provided partial protection at best. It would be unwise to invest huge sums and hope in its production

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Did he produce the data? Has the government produced this data? Has any government produced this data?

I have seen some literature reviews that come to the conclusion that there isn’t enough hard evidence and the WHO official seemed to suggest as much. Still need to keep the airports shut though eh G

 

[skybluetony176]

You are deluded

Again. You’re buying headlines while ignoring the data. How can you be deluded by facts? You can be deluded by headlines though as you’re so willingly demonstrating. I tell you what, when they get the vaccine to work in monkeys I’ll start buying into a date the government are talking about. Until then they’re blowing smoke up your arse. Not my fault if you can’t see that.

 

[skybluetony176]

I have seen some literature reviews that come to the conclusion that there isn’t enough hard evidence and the WHO official seemed to suggest as much. Still need to keep the airports shut though eh G

That’s all I’ve read too. Apparently there was one study out of dozens that claimed that transmission rates were lower in children but it flies in the face of the other studies which were either inconclusive or showed the opposite.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That’s all I’ve read too. Apparently there was one study out of dozens that claimed that transmission rates were lower in children but it flies in the face of the other studies which were either inconclusive or showed the opposite.

There have been some one off cases where an infected child was found to have infected no adults but others where children were found with similar viral loads as adults. It won’t take long before harder evidence emerges and all I’ve ever said is let’s wait for that before deciding to reopen.

Plus it seems to have fallen quiet on immunity

 

[fernandopartridge]

You are deluded

In fairness the study said that whilst it didn't completely halt the virus it appeared to limit it. That might be enough as a stop gap measure.

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[chiefdave]

As would I because if there is proof that children’s transmission rates are vastly lower than adults then I have much less opposition to coming in.

Would be interesting to see the evidence, tried googling it but the only thing that came up was the Royal College of Paediatricians saying media reports had been incorrectly suggested that children cannot transmit COVID-19 based on their research.

Within the summary, the authors refer to some findings produced by the China/World Health Organisation (WHO) joint commission: “Notably the China/WHO joint commission could not recall episodes during contact tracing where transmission occurred from a child to an adult”.

News outlets reported this finding, out of context, as the overall result of the review.

Whilst the review did not document any specific cases where a child to adult transmission occurred, it described several studies that offer contradictory evidence on the potential for transmission.

The review did not conclude that adults cannot catch the virus from children. It stated (at the time that the news articles were written) that “the role of children in passing the disease to others is unknown, in particular given large numbers of asymptomatic cases”.

Dr Alasdair Munro, one of the authors of the review, told us that “the quote is taken from the China/WHO joint commission and ignores all the other subsequent evidence which is completely consistent with child to adult transmission, albeit seemingly less than adult to adult transmission.”

The Royal College of Paediatricians and Child Health have issued a statement to stress that the news reports “have incorrectly suggested that children cannot transmit COVID-19. This is not the RCPCH position, nor is it based on evidence.”

 

[chiefdave]

You are deluded

OK what am I missing because I've read the article and this seems a fairly key line "All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected".

 

[Sick Boy]

As I found out. I b b honesty I have been on one emirates long haul to Dubai economy and that wasn’t too bad but then again their business class is out of this world

I found Emirates to be terrible in economy. Singapore Airlines’ economy is actually not bad at all, went in business with them before as well and that was brilliant.

 

[David O'Day]

OK what am I missing because I've read the article and this seems a fairly key line "All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected".

It looks like there is a possibility while it doesn't stop the momley from getting the virus the effects are far less.

If this is true in humans it ould help as FP says as a stop gap in that you could give it to people and while they still got the virus they would be far less ill.

They will need to tighten this up on the human trials and see if possible what happens with people with serious health conditions as it will be stupid if we give it to everyone and they end up killing their older relatives



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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I found Emirates to be terrible in economy. Singapore Airlines’ economy is actually not bad at all, went in business with them before as well and that was brilliant.

Think this belongs in the stock portfolio thread

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It looks like there is a possibility while it doesn't stop the momley from getting the virus the effects are far less.

If this is true in humans it ould help as FP says as a stop gap in that you could give it to people and while they still got the virus they would be far less ill.

They will need to tighten this up on the human trials and see if possible what happens with people with serious health conditions as it will be stupid if we give it to everyone and they end up killing their older relatives



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To be fair to Dom he had to get samples from monkey rectums as part of the study so I get why he doesn’t want the work dismissed

 

[chiefdave]

It looks like there is a possibility while it doesn't stop the momley from getting the virus the effects are far less.

If this is true in humans it ould help as FP says as a stop gap in that you could give it to people and while they still got the virus they would be far less ill.

They will need to tighten this up on the human trials and see if possible what happens with people with serious health conditions as it will be stupid if we give it to everyone and they end up killing their older relatives

Also seems to suggest that it doesn't last very long so a key will be is it as effective when given again. That would also impact the ability to immunise everyone. Its a huge task to immunise millions in the first place let alone if you have to repeat it every few weeks.

 

[David O'Day]

Also seems to suggest that it doesn't last very long so a key will be is it as effective when given again. That would also impact the ability to immunise everyone. Its a huge task to immunise millions in the first place let alone if you have to repeat it every few weeks.

Yep they need to see how long it works for but if it lasts say 6 months it would worth it but there is a long ling way to go

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[Ian1779]

So much is riding on this oxford vaccine, will have 30 million doses ready by September if it works! Think we’ll know by July if it works

Knowing this government they’d make the 30 million vaccines a) without testing it or b) know it doesn’t work but make it anyway.

 

[Grendel]

Really because I saw the same thing and it seemed to be that not enough evidence existed to make that conclusion definitively

I found Emirates to be terrible in economy. Singapore Airlines’ economy is actually not bad at all, went in business with them before as well and that was brilliant.

Try ASEAN airlines - what a dire experience. If in Africa avoid Mango airlines what a nightmare

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Try ASEAN airlines - what a dire experience. If in Africa avoid Mango airlines what a nightmare

EasyJet is about as far as the BSB budget goes, would rather spend more at my destination than getting to it

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Knowing this government they’d make the 30 million vaccines a) without testing it or b) know it doesn’t work but make it anyway.

They obviously won’t

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They obviously won’t

Do you accept that the evidence on this vaccine is that it isn’t fully effective?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Do you accept that the evidence on this vaccine is that it isn’t fully effective?

We don’t know till after the human trials which are taking place now, result is in June/July

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We don’t know till after the human trials which are taking place now, result is in June/July

Sure, but the evidence on monkeys doesn’t look as effective as the group first claimed?

 

[David O'Day]

They obviously won’t

Unlike the 3 million antibody test kits they brought that didn't work

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[chiefdave]

Unlike the 3 million antibody test kits they brought that didn't work

We're all good if there's a sudden outbreak of malaria though.
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