Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (64 Viewers)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 6, 2020

Sort of a merge with the BLM/George Floyd and this there is the evidence that BAME groups are more susceptible to the virus being lethal and I've seen quite a few saying this is further proof of racism.

Is that actually accurate? Do we know it's due to racism rather than just genetic differences? After all they've also found that men are also more likely to die than women, so is it therefore due to some form of sexism?

It may well have some part to play, but surely this is something that will need a lot of research and data crunching to ascertain if it's due to a genetic difference, cultural behaviour or societal inequality etc.

shmmeee · Jun 6, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Sort of a merge with the BLM/George Floyd and this there is the evidence that BAME groups are more susceptible to the virus being lethal and I've seen quite a few saying this is further proof of racism.

Is that actually accurate? Do we know it's due to racism rather than just genetic differences? After all they've also found that men are also more likely to die than women, so is it therefore due to some form of sexism?

It may well have some part to play, but surely this is something that will need a lot of research and data crunching to ascertain if it's due to a genetic difference, cultural behaviour or societal inequality etc.

IIRC once you control for socioeconomic factors the difference is a lot smaller.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 6, 2020

shmmeee said:
IIRC once you control for socioeconomic factors the difference is a lot smaller.

Interesting if true, but it does makes it a grey area.

If the socioeconomic factor is more important BUT black people are very heavily held back from improving this situation with jobs etc compared to even poor white folks, racism does also play a part in it.

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 6, 2020

Looks like we’ll be left behind by Germany France Spain and Italy before we get on top of things. Really hope not but our figures are staying at 1600 or so there’s are a few hundred

wingy · Jun 6, 2020

Only anecdotal from a small representation a few weeks back the generalized rate appeared greater in the Eastern suburbs of our city than for instance Stoke where I live .

Saddlebrains · Jun 6, 2020

Macca said:
If there is no spike after the mass ignore of restrictions today and last week then it’s time to open the country again.

Fully agree. People said it would spike after V.E day parties. Then after the bank holiday.

Fuck all happened cases wise

shmmeee · Jun 6, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Interesting if true, but it does makes it a grey area.

If the socioeconomic factor is more important BUT black people are very heavily held back from improving this situation with jobs etc compared to even poor white folks, racism does also play a part in it.

I’m very aware of the eyes of hill83 on me here, but I honestly believe economic factors are mostly a class issue here. Our social mobility is very poor, white British boys are our worst educational performers for example. Racism definitely exists in the job market and those experiments with black sounding names prove it, but I think class is to Britain what race is to the States. It’s why I don’t think you should mix the politics.

I think both white and black working class communities have issues around attitudes to education that Asian communities for example don’t, whereas what I see in the states is almost segregation and a definite black movement to value education as a route out. Also the police seem to harbour far more outright racists than here.

I don’t want to trivialise anything and definitely would defer to black people who disagree though.

Saddlebrains said:
Fully agree. People said it would spike after V.E day parties. Then after the bank holiday.

Fuck all happened cases wise

Indont think there’s any evidence of large gatherings for either is there? I mean other than the odd video online. Nothing of the scale of Cheltenham which we know did cause a spike. These protests probably on that level but then again lockdowns basically lifted last week if you look outside so would be hard to pin on any event.

End of next week we should start to see the impacts if they’re there.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 6, 2020

shmmeee said:
I’m very aware of the eyes of hill83 on me here, but I honestly believe economic factors are mostly a class issue here. Our social mobility is very poor, white British boys are our worst educational performers for example. Racism definitely exists in the job market and those experiments with black sounding names prove it, but I think class is to Britain what race is to the States. It’s why I don’t think you should mix the politics.

I think both white and black working class communities have issues around attitudes to education that Asian communities for example don’t, whereas what I see in the states is almost segregation and a definite black movement to value education as a route out. Also the police seem to harbour far more outright racists than here.

I don’t want to trivialise anything and definitely would defer to black people who disagree though.

I agree entirely on the class thing. Social mobility is extremely difficult and those in the upper classes will strongly resist anyone trying to attain it as on the whole many of them see it as their birthright. But there are almost no black people in those classes and so they will be resisted just as much so it's a double whammy for them and even harder to achieve.

shmmeee said:
I dont think there’s any evidence of large gatherings for either is there? I mean other than the odd video online. Nothing of the scale of Cheltenham which we know did cause a spike. These protests probably on that level but then again lockdowns basically lifted last week if you look outside so would be hard to pin on any event.

End of next week we should start to see the impacts if they’re there.

There were small parties around the place but nothing compared to what we've seen post Cummings and now with the protests.

However it is worth looking at our figures compared to others and ours are staying higher in comparison to others which could be related. It's not a 'spike' as such but they have remained at a stubborn level when from trends elsewhere they should probably be falling quicker.

I think we'll see them continue to be stubborn and in 7-10 days they could be in danger of drifting back up again due to a mixture of easing restrictions and more likely the protests (which have given the govt a prime excuse to blame it on rather than the effect Cummings had on the national psyche . Hope I'm wrong but I think we're still some way from seeing them fall to 'low' numbers

David O'Day · Jun 6, 2020

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SkyBlueDom26 · Jun 6, 2020

David O'Day said:
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Conservatives still ahead though ennit

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 6, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Conservatives still ahead though ennit

Terrifying they are. What more do they have to do?

clint van damme · Jun 6, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Conservatives still ahead though ennit

Is that all that matters?
Rather than an honest assessment of how they've performed throughout this pandemic?

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 6, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Conservatives still ahead though ennit

Is Keir Starmer a crazy commie?

SkyBlueDom26 · Jun 6, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Is Keir Starmer a crazy commie?

Not as bad as commie Corbyn

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 6, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Not as bad as commie Corbyn

Not that either of them are of course, but would you be willing to give Starmer a shot?

shmmeee · Jun 6, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I agree entirely on the class thing. Social mobility is extremely difficult and those in the upper classes will strongly resist anyone trying to attain it as on the whole many of them see it as their birthright. But there are almost no black people in those classes and so they will be resisted just as much so it's a double whammy for them and even harder to achieve.

Definitely. I think the lack of black people in the upper echelons of society is mostly a function of the fact that almost all black people start in the working classes. A lot more needs to be done to get black kids on tracks to careers like law, politics and the like and into elite institutions. Weirdly I think one benefit African Americans have forged out of the adversity of segregation is the black education system. I don’t think something like that is possible here for a variety of reasons but it does foster a community of black educators and role models and community leaders that I think we lack here. Same for the black churches TBH. Overall I think our integrative approach is better for social cohesion, but I wonder if we miss a trick of targeted action tailored to the needs of black kids.

clint van damme · Jun 6, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Not as bad as commie Corbyn

Can you explain why you think Corbyn is a 'commie?

PVA · Jun 6, 2020

50 government fuck ups in one week

shmmeee · Jun 6, 2020

Spicy

Ian1779 · Jun 6, 2020

clint van damme said:
Can you explain why you think Corbyn is a 'commie?

Facebook told him.

Ian1779 · Jun 6, 2020

shmmeee said:
Spicy

Now Brexit is settled let’s hope we can build on this.

Ring Of Steel · Jun 7, 2020

Ian1779 said:
Now Brexit is settled let’s hope we can build on this.

I’m no expert, but I’d say those figures suggest that they’ll start turning on Boris soon enough, and the pro Gove factions will go in for the kill.

hill83 · Jun 7, 2020

clint van damme said:
Can you explain why you think Corbyn is a 'commie?

Saw it on the internet m8. Be positive.

If I didn’t know any better I’d say the bloke is a specific person I know. He’s exactly the same. If his username and the avatar of himself he used for a couple of days didn’t suggest otherwise I’d be convinced.

Ring Of Steel · Jun 7, 2020

Lockdown is phased down now over here, we were free to go anywhere in the county today & lots of shops opened up, police checks all gone too, and it was bloody weird, how I imagine a prison inmate might feel- you spend what feels like forever locked indoors longing for freedom & navigating police checks to go more than a couple of miles, the day comes when you’re released again and... ...nobody has any idea at all of what to actually do, there’s too much choice all of a sudden, ages is spent deliberating on where to go & in the end up everyone just kind of ends up mooching about looking at open shops with wide eyes, as if they were a startling new invention, and walking around with huge full bags of crap they no doubt don’t need

Ring Of Steel · Jun 7, 2020

Ian1779 said:
Now Brexit is settled let’s hope we can build on this.

when these guys are desperate to tell everyone how shit Boris is, you know he has problems ahead

Ring Of Steel · Jun 7, 2020

Herd immunity...

wingy · Jun 7, 2020

Public favourability towards Boris Johnson continues to fall

wingy · Jun 7, 2020

Prime minister told to dump rhetoric and plan for new Covid wave

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 7, 2020

Saddlebrains said:
Fully agree. People said it would spike after V.E day parties. Then after the bank holiday.

Fuck all happened cases wise

Takes 2 weeks

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 7, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
Takes 2 weeks

Tbh, it's a small minority of our population involved in such things anyway. You need to look for a localised spike really.

clint van damme · Jun 7, 2020

Matt Hancock has just said on Marr that not locking down earlier didn't cost lives. What a lying bastard.

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 7, 2020

clint van damme said:
Matt Hancock has just said on Marr that not locking down earlier didn't cost lives. What a lying bastard.

Thing is, I'm sympathetic to us not doing so... many people would accept a rationale behind it as opposed to a load of empty bluster.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 7, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Thing is, I'm sympathetic to us not doing so... many people would accept a rationale behind it as opposed to a load of empty bluster.

All I want is for them to show some honesty about mistakes they made rather than tie themselves up in knots defending the indefensible.

clint van damme · Jun 7, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Thing is, I'm sympathetic to us not doing so... many people would accept a rationale behind it as opposed to a load of empty bluster.

totally agree. They tie themselves in knots trying to justify or cover up every fuck up they make instead of admitting them and then concentrating on getting it right going forward.

chiefdave · Jun 7, 2020

clint van damme said:
Matt Hancock has just said on Marr that not locking down earlier didn't cost lives. What a lying bastard.

Was a shocking interview. Hancock couldn't say how many people had been traced, couldn't say now many people had been tested and had no idea when the app will be ready.

Surely they are all softball questions that would have been expected.

Didn't do much better when asked how many black people were in the cabinet. Named Sunak and Patel! When he was pulled up on them being asian not black he went with Kwarteng who was removed from the cabinet in the last reshuffle. He bodged the same question on Ridge as well.

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