I like the way you say you shouldn't state anything as a fact as it is so fast moving yet state things as a fact for Tory bashing.Patrick Vallance, yesterday: “Communities will become immune to it and that's going to be an important part of controlling this longer term. About 60% is the sort of figure you need to get herd immunity"
Matt Hancock, 24 hours later: “we have a plan, based on the expertise of world leading scientists. Herd immunity is not a part of it. That is a scientific concept, not a goal or our strategy”
They either haven’t got a clue what the plan is, or they’re just bullshitting
You are making this into a party political broadcast. Labour under Bliar escalated the privatisation of the NHS.Well according to the govt the inverted commas are well deserved, because pretty much everything he said is being disowned within 48 hours.
It’s a side issue here as we are where we are, but perhaps if they hadn’t fucked up the NHS in the first place they wouldn’t be quite so desperate to take the keep the strain away from it now.
Have you had your 25% tax free yet?My main pension is with Peugeot, must be a few who worked their on here, does anyone have any numbers for me as i lost all my paperwork when my bathroom flooded (it leaked in to my kitchen and destroyed all my old paper work, number etc). Don't even know where to try now.
Don't know anything about tax free etc... (not taken a penny), been living abroad ever since i left Peugeot. They offered me (don't remember how many) thousands to cash in but i never needed the money so wanted to keep it safe for when i was older. Now, with this virus crap i might have to cash in so i can pay my bills and eat.Have you had your 25% tax free yet?
If not you will have options. Is it a final salary? You could take the tax free or ask what the cash in value is. If it is still a going concern they might offer over the odds to get you to take your pension out of their pot. My pension is offering x30 of the pension accrued. Many are offering more. Let's say your pension is worth just 10k. X30 would give you 300k. 75k tax free and 225,000 to invest. 225,000 to keep you going with the tax free in bank until you get your state pension if you don't get it now. Then lower it when you do. The beauty of drawdown.
Any idea on what it is worth?
My brother was surprised at the total he received.Have you had your 25% tax free yet?
If not you will have options. Is it a final salary? You could take the tax free or ask what the cash in value is. If it is still a going concern they might offer over the odds to get you to take your pension out of their pot. My pension is offering x30 of the pension accrued. Many are offering more. Let's say your pension is worth just 10k. X30 would give you 300k. 75k tax free and 225,000 to invest. 225,000 to keep you going with the tax free in bank until you get your state pension if you don't get it now. Then lower it when you do. The beauty of drawdown.
Any idea on what it is worth?
This journal article explains it fairly well
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30567-5/fulltext
The numbers worldwide will be ugly by the end of all this because other countries and particularly the USA are doing an objectively worse job of managing the spread and access to treatment. The politicians now have to decide if they are going to cave to public pressure or if they are going to stick to the strategy which itself is designed to adapt to increasing numbers of cases. If working age people get infected in too large a number too quickly then the NHS and economy will collapse under it which is why the containment and delaying measures are essential. The elderly and already infirm have to be kept distanced (but not ignored) and I expect this to come soon.
The paper itself explains the rationale behind what we're doing, editors of course will have their own view and nowhere have I said that Vallance has got it 100% right-I want to see more strict social distancing of the elderly ASAP. But I do think the government has been correct in principle to follow the strategy they have done and, until recently, to stand by it.
We at least have a free at the point of use healthcare system and statutory sick pay. The Americans don't have either and some individual states have more deaths than we do as a country. They are going to be the worst off out of the developed nations.
Don't know anything about tax free etc... (not taken a penny), been living abroad ever since i left Peugeot. They offered me (don't remember how many) thousands to cash in but i never needed the money so wanted to keep it safe for when i was older. Now, with this virus crap i might have to cash in so i can pay my bills and eat.
Where?
People keep saying the government are just going on the advice of their experts and advisors... Has the story of 250 scientists and experts writing to the government to say they aren't doing enough been posted yet?
I haven’t seen anyone mention it but I saw it was being reported last night.
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Some are offering silly money. A couple at my place have walked out with close to 1m :wideyed: The average has been between 600k and 750k. The biggies have been those with 40 years service. A pension of 25k a year becomes 750k at x30. That is nearly 200k tax free and still over half a million to invest. If it only gains 3% a year it is still over 15k a year.My brother was surprised at the total he received.
It also has to be put against people being able to make a living.I wouldn’t pay much attention to that TBH these letters are generally just students and people unrelated to the field.
My three concerns In order are:
1) we are taking a risky strategy and not explaining it well at all. Off the record briefings and statements behind paywalls show a government that hasn’t got its public duty into its head and couldn’t communicate its way out of a paper bag. We are in a national emergency, start talking to people. All this panic. All this rumour. Directly their fault.
2) There’s some evidence covid19 immunity doesn’t last more than a couple of weeks. We really don’t know if herd immunity is even possible yet. It’s a gamble and one that looking at previous coronavirus strains Has pretty poor odds.
3) We are going against the experience and advice of countries further ahead than us on the assumption they can’t control the virus. Surely if they can we are just a massive infection vector island at that point.
The thing is, we don’t know what Labour would do. My guess is that there would be discussions about us becoming a totalitarian state/ or sitting on the fence. There is no time for political inertia on either side. I hope this is seen as a collective intervention instead.I like the way you say you shouldn't state anything as a fact as it is so fast moving yet state things as a fact for Tory bashing.
Do you think we should be in lockdown before many people have caught the virus?
Of there was something to go Tory bashing for don't you think the other parties would have done it by now?
It also has to be put against people being able to make a living.
If you have a steady job with a secure and decent employer you should be OK. But millions are not. A shutdown is a shutdown.
My sister runs a pub in France. That is her shut now until further notice. All businesses except for petrol stations, tobacconists, newspaper stands, banks, grocery stores and chemists have been forced to close. How many people have enough savings to get them through several months? Because we don't know how long this will go in for.
It also has to be put against people being able to make a living.
If you have a steady job with a secure and decent employer you should be OK. But millions are not. A shutdown is a shutdown.
My sister runs a pub in France. That is her shut now until further notice. All businesses except for petrol stations, tobacconists, newspaper stands, banks, grocery stores and chemists have been forced to close. How many people have enough savings to get them through several months? Because we don't know how long this will go in for.
I wouldn’t pay much attention to that TBH these letters are generally just students and people unrelated to the field.
My three concerns In order are:
1) we are taking a risky strategy and not explaining it well at all. Off the record briefings and statements behind paywalls show a government that hasn’t got its public duty into its head and couldn’t communicate its way out of a paper bag. We are in a national emergency, start talking to people. All this panic. All this rumour. Directly their fault.
2) There’s some evidence covid19 immunity doesn’t last more than a couple of weeks. We really don’t know if herd immunity is even possible yet. It’s a gamble and one that looking at previous coronavirus strains Has pretty poor odds.
3) We are going against the experience and advice of countries further ahead than us on the assumption they can’t control the virus. Surely if they can we are just a massive infection vector island at that point.
Edit: 4) We have no idea of the long term impacts of contracting this. There’s early evidence of lung damage and infertility at least. Until we do it’s reckless to expose the population to it intentionally.
What’s your gut say my friend?That’s politics in a nutshell. How much are people’s lives worth to the economy?
We have a rough idea how long it’ll go on for because we can model the measures and we’ve seen other countries bending the curve with various strategies. We’ve also got a rough idea how long it’ll take to develop vaccines and/or treatments, also there will be money to be made here. Many well paid sections of the economy will continue and if it were long term you’d see a lot of events/hospitality staff moving into logistics, last mile delivery, and medicine. It’s likely to be similar to the crash in terms of economic impact but also provide a lot of room for growth areas the crash didn’t and areas like finance will be quite resilient to ensure money gets to where it needs to be.
When it’s a few hundred thousand people dying and the same again infertile if disabled compared to a few million maybe being on benefits and retraining, I’m not sure it’s such a simple sum as some are making out. This is why we need to see the numbers. I can’t tell you what I’d support personally but even if I could I have no idea if that’s what’s being proposed.
The British government don't kniw what they are going to do next. But no other government does either. I came back from France a week ago today. Everything was normal. But the virus was spreading. I spoke to the wife about what we would do with the kids when the schools closed. It hadn't been mentioned at that stage. Have set a part of the kitchen up as a school. And in the good weather they will be in the garden having lessons.That’s politics in a nutshell. How much are people’s lives worth to the economy?
We have a rough idea how long it’ll go on for because we can model the measures and we’ve seen other countries bending the curve with various strategies. We’ve also got a rough idea how long it’ll take to develop vaccines and/or treatments, also there will be money to be made here. Many well paid sections of the economy will continue and if it were long term you’d see a lot of events/hospitality staff moving into logistics, last mile delivery, and medicine. It’s likely to be similar to the crash in terms of economic impact but also provide a lot of room for growth areas the crash didn’t and areas like finance will be quite resilient to ensure money gets to where it needs to be.
When it’s a few hundred thousand people dying and the same again infertile if disabled compared to a few million maybe being on benefits and retraining, I’m not sure it’s such a simple sum as some are making out. This is why we need to see the numbers. I can’t tell you what I’d support personally but even if I could I have no idea if that’s what’s being proposed.
The British government don't kniw what they are going to do next. But no other government does either. I came back from France a week ago today. Everything was normal. But the virus was spreading. I spoke to the wife about what we would do with the kids when the schools closed. It hadn't been mentioned at that stage. Have set a part of the kitchen up as a school. And in the good weather they will be in the garden having lessons.
But a week later they have gone from normal to nearly everywhere shut.
My main pension is with Peugeot, must be a few who worked their on here, does anyone have any numbers for me as i lost all my paperwork when my bathroom flooded (it leaked in to my kitchen and destroyed all my old paper work, number etc). Don't even know where to try now.
Don't know about octoberish. Gibberish more like.Only way lkkely noe serms to be if delay nee season to octoberish
June restart still seems pie in sky ffs
So frustrrating
Only way lkkely noe serms to be if delay nee season to octoberish
June restart still seems pie in sky ffs
So frustrrating
We can talk and argue and postulate but having looked around a lot of fans forums and seeing the various news stories, opinions on what will or should happen is dictated by where your team is currently in the league.
The Leagues are talking on Thursday, according to the News, so let's see what they think before we all melt down. Saying that, if the forum does go into meltdown, "experts" have suggested that the virus will die off with heat (they said of the summer months but any heat would be fine, I guess)
Where they wud prob start a new season from scrstch
What’s your gut say my friend?
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